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Normally, I just read and don't read. That is a big decision for you to
take, just keep an eye out on your cancer markers. The flaxseed oil was a life
saver for me, when I had a stroke after chemo, and it brought me back to life.

My daughter was against alternative, I had no choice, it was either die or
try conventional. My cancer was stage Iv, all in my lymph nodes throughout my
body, and was given 6 to 12 months to live. The chemo put me in remission.

Just eat healthy, take your vitamins, etc. I've been there, done that, and
this Nov will be my 5th year. Last year, I had stomach surgery again to remove
2 tumors, and tumor grew back, and it was in my back vertebrae and my right
hip. Radiation, thank the Lord, took it away. I was never so scared in my
life, the first go around, I didn't have any sense to be scared, even went to
work at our florist shop 5 days after a hyster.

I am glad I took the chemo, I am glad I was on the flaxseed oil, etc.

Am just happy to be alive!!

A stage IV uterine cancer patient

Cynthia

Hello,

Am I to understand we have to choose between conventional and alternative
treatments? Is everything either black or white? Is there no middle of the road,
no gray areas?

I believe in alternative methods, but not everything seems to work for
everyone. So should we allow our health to decline while looking for the right
thing(s) that work for each of us. Can we not do conventional treatments (if they
help) either along side alternative things or long enough to get a hold on an
illness while we look for the right alternative treatment(s)? Even once we
find the right alternative for us, it takes time to learn the "HOW TO" with
them. For example I am still trying to find Cottage cheese around me that isn't
filled with preservatives and what not. I used to take FLAXSEED whole, because I
didn't know it needed to be ground. I also didn't know that flaxoil without
the right protein would cause more ham than good. It takes time, patience and
the right resources to grow in the right areas.

"I" in all good conscience couldn't tell someone to stop treatments as long
as there was a need. I am not a medical Doctor. I would tell them things that I
think may help in addition to what they were doing. Even things that may help
stop or reverse side effects or physical/emotional damage of the conventional
treatments.

I think the best things that we can offer eachother after information - is
support and respect of eachothers' choices. I appreciate being supported in my
decisions to do converntional treatments as well as my alternatives. I don't
want anyone telling me I can't do my alternatives, but by the same token I don't
want anyone telling me I can't do conventional ones either. They can tell me
what they would do in my situation, but then the decision is mine. I am the
one who has to live with or not live with the decisions made, one way or
another.

I have cancer, I tried some alternative things, unfortunately for me THEY
DIDN'T STOP OR ERASE THE CANCER. My Doctors are aware of what I do/or not do with
my alternatives. They are very supportive of my doing it. Once in awhile
they tell me not to do something, but that is rare. The only one thing they told
me not to take, that I can think of off hand, was NOT TO TAKE SOY. Now with
new findings I find that was good advice for me.
I was down the last time MY CANCER CAME BACK AND SAID WELL MY ALTERNATIVES
DIDN'T HELP -- My Doctor told me: "You don't know that, your cancer could have
come back sooner or been worse had I not done those things." They always
encourage me to do whatever I think helps! Infact, as a rule they offer me
something alternative whenever possible to help with side effects of treatments. Some
of the things prescribed to me was: B6, B12, Potassium, Ted hose for
swelling, chew ice during treatment to avoid mouth sores and some other things along
these lines. My GYN prescribed Vitamin E to help with female issues after my
hysterectomy, instead of hormones. Believe this or not, my ONC told a fellow
Breast cancer patient to eat: Ground flax seed in her yogurt! I realize that
many Doctors feel threatened by their patients doing things outside of their
practice, but I guess those are doctors we need to avoid. I try to find supportive
doctors. As it stands now, they tell me if I can find something that will
help me, in my situation, I should go for it. I should be sure to let them know
about it so they can make note and possibly help another patient of theirs.

I have just completed a little more than a year of CONVENTIONAL TREATMENTS.
Although I never liked the idea of Chemo and hated every treatment ... IT DID
TAKE THE CANCER BACK. My doctors have told me from the start, there is no cure
for my type of cancer and they don't even know for sure what causes it. They
are just doing the best they can to control a chronic illness for as long as
they can.

NOW ONCE AGAIN I AM AT A CROSSROADS AND NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER DECISION. Since
my cancer is under control, I am choosing to do ALTERNATIVE more, in hopes it
will stop the cancer forever. But to be honest if the cancer comes back again
anyway, I will do whatever it takes to live, even if it is conventional. I
would hope that the group would understand and support me if it is what I decide
is best for me.

Sue

Hi All,

My name is Ekta and I live in India. I am new to this group and have been receiving posts for about two weeks now. They are very enlightening. I joined this group because my mother was diagnosed with Ovarian Cancer and I found a post on the net when searching for Budwig's diet. Mom has gone through surgery which removed her ovaries and some part of the ommentum.

There was malignancy in the ovaries as well as some gross disease (1mm) on the ommentum. She had some ascitic fluid which has not made a reappearance in about a month or so. She started on Chemotherapy about 21 days ago and has taken one cycle already.

I would like to start her on the FO/CC regimen while she's on chemotherapy. THis is the only round of chemo that she will go through as we are doing other therapies adjuvant to chemo. Barron's program, noni juice, wheatgrass, ganoderma, chlorella and a high fibre, high protien nutritional diet etc.

My actual query is that I am not able to find golden flaxseeds in India - all I can get is organic brown flaxseeds and cold pressed flax oil made of organic brown flaxseed. Can I use these instead of golden flaxseeds?

Ekta


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Misleading, ALL CANCERS ARE NOT THE SAME AND STATEMENT IS (UP TO) FOUR TIMES
LONGER. Have reviewed great many studies and find this hard to believe. Did
not go that route for my lung cancer as studies for my stage would give me a
month more if I did not and did nothing. When caught early some cancers
respond to chemo with out killing. When caught late with spread bad news.
Used when cut and sew is done to kill stray cancer cells that may be
released, positive studies for doing, not heavy treatment.

Late treatment with out response is some times used with hope until near
death when dr. give up treatment and send them home to die. They have tests
to tell if treatment will work but I believe not used all the time. Standard
medicine has no protection from spread, one in the works but who knows when
and if. Tumor reduction always looked on with hope is too often no help do
to spread, the killer.

Budwig has protection for spread but receive little notice on list of
importance. With out it many of the positive results would not happen. Seems
to cause cells to resist being taken over. B 17 in flax I believe helps
fight stray cells, not in oil. My lung cancer was spreading when found, I
started on oil and cc. That's a year and half ago, life expectancy was 6
months, chemo or no chemo. Still have cancer but am still holding my own.
Waiting for cat scan results now.

Cliff, Simon and Keith,
about 20 years ago there was a good book written on the subject of combining certain foods, especially legumes and grains, to get more usable protein out of these foods. The book was called "Diet for a Small Planet". I believe it is still available.

Wilhelm

Hi,

I am far from a vegetarian and probably will never be one but I have had
a setback lately that I am quite sure is due to too much sugar etc.
etc.

However, I have read, and did not keep the sources, that a combination
of beans, Navy, Pinto, Great Northern, or whatever and brown rice will
provide complete nutrition.

Yesterday my wife and I stocked up on various brands of beans and brown
rice and will be including that in our diets.

I do know that the Japanese army did quite well on a diet of rice for
breakfast, dinner and supper. They weren't talking about the polished
white starch that we call rice.

I would surely consider this as the main base of any vegetarian diet for
myself.

Cliff

Del,
I have never paid attention to the writing on the back cover of that book. It looks like some promotional stuff written by the publisher.

It is not clear to me what he is referring to. It could be referring to hydrogenated fat because it is foreign to the body and cannot be assimilated. It just gets deposited and interferes with the normal processes. At the time that this book was written the ill effects of hydrogenated fat was not as well known as it is now.
It could also be a reference to FO helping in the assimilation of other fats (not hydrogenated fats), but as far as I remember, she wrote that in another book. Sorry, that is all I can think of right now.

Wilhelm


Wilhelm,
On the back of Dr. Budwig's book, Flax Oil As A True Aid Against
Arthritis, Heart Infarction, Cancer And Other Diseases, there are 6
bullets or info about what is answered in the book. The last one
reads: Discover Why The Living Body May Lack The Ability To Assimilate
Fat And How You Can Change It.

The book was hard reading for me and I never found the answer. Can you
tell me the answer?

Thanks,
Del

I must say, I am perplexed by your post. Have you forgotten that this is an alternative site?

Wilhelm


I would continue with the cisplatin, I took carboplatin, which put me in
remission, Have uterine cancer stage 4, Nov 24, 1999. I would continue the
flaxseed oil regimen, and recommend you try and eat little meals. Your body needs
the food to fight back, and the body needs food to heal too.

Cynthia

Of course we remember you Nazreen - it hasn't been that long since you posted here.

Flaxseed oil does thin the blood somewhat and it could aggravate the bleeding but you can counteract it by adding vitamin K to the diet. Vitamin K is "Important in blood clotting to prevent uncontrolled bleeding or hemorrhage"

It is best to get vitamin K from foods. Here is another web site that gives vitamin K levels in foods:


This as a more extensive site on vitamin K:


Good luck,
Wilhelm



Some of you may remember me from a few months ago on the list when I
was trying to get mainstream doctors interested in investigating the
Budwig protocol.

I now have an urgent situation which requires the help of this list.

A few days ago my father has been diagnosed with an advanced case of
stomach cancer which has metastased to the liver. It was discovered
because the ulcer had started bleeding. The doctors have said there
is nothing they can do, and we can simply take him home.

I wish to start him on the Budwig protocol today, but I have some
questions:

a) since the ulcer has been bleeding, will the focc aggravate this
since fo thins the blood?

b) does anyone have any information on the effect of focc on this
kind of cancer.

Please help.

Nazreen Raza

Katlee

A friend of mine soaks almonds overnight. They begin the process of spourtng and the nutritional value is supposed to be increased. They are also soft and easy to eat.

Ksenija
MsKatlee <ms.katlee@...> wrote:
Great pointers, Simon! Do the Sunshine Burgers list soy or lecithin as an ingredient??

I love almonds but my teeth do not take them so well anymore. However what I had found once when preparing a 'take along' snack was.. I had cut up some celery in about 1/2" chunks with some raisins and almonds in a container to take with. The moisture from the freshly washed and prepared celery had made the almonds softer and of course delicous too. So now I soak the almonds in some water about 1/2 at least before snacking on them.

Also, I had begun canning my beans several years ago after learning how the Adventists do theirs. Simply wash the beans put about 3/4 -1 c in a quart jar, fill with water, salt if you wish, and process in pressure cooker for specific amount of time. Super! and ready to use ! If anyone is interested I can look up the exact amount of beans and processing time.

~Katlee

Some of you may remember me from a few months ago on the list when I
was trying to get mainstream doctors interested in investigating the
Budwig protocol.

I now have an urgent situation which requires the help of this list.

A few days ago my father has been diagnosed with an advanced case of
stomach cancer which has metastased to the liver. It was discovered
because the ulcer had started bleeding. The doctors have said there
is nothing they can do, and we can simply take him home.

I wish to start him on the Budwig protocol today, but I have some
questions:

a) since the ulcer has been bleeding, will the focc aggravate this
since fo thins the blood?

b) does anyone have any information on the effect of focc on this
kind of cancer.

Please help.

Nazreen Raza

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Hi,

This is a summary of the situation the last 6 months.

This first section is being written on April 14, 2004. For just the
last three months skip to July 7, 2004.

A PSA April 7 was up to 10.8 from 6.2. ?the main regimen has not
changed.10.8
A DRE seemed to indicate a regression in the PCa rather than an
increase.

It is quite possible by this time that the aggressiveness has increased.
It has
been 13 years and 3 months since the original diagnosis. ?I was told at
the
time
that the cancer was not the most aggressive but not slow
growing. ?Gleason
scores were not available from that lab at that time.

In the book, "The Omega Plan" by Drl Artemis P Simopoulos, it is pointed
out
that one of the effects of Omega 3 is the inhibition of metastasis. ?If
PCa
can
be kept from metastasizing there is no great danger. ?The original
metastasis
to the lymph glands has not been in eavidence since late 1991.

The Oncologist noted that there are no symptoms and he did not seem to
feel
there was any cause for alarm.

There is going to be one addition as a result of reading the attachment
below.

Cliff
*

The University of Virginia research determined that the prostate
cancer cells will only eat a chemical called 5-HETE."

the cancer center determined that 5-HETE was created from the
body's 'combustion' of an Omega-6 fatty acid called arachidonic acid.
There is an enzyme called 5-lipoxygenase (or 5-LO for short), and
when 5-LO burns or oxidizes the fatty acid, out plops 5-HETE."

the researchers concluded that prostate cancer cells eat ONLY this
food, and that if the 5-LO enzyme is inhibited, and the food is not
around, then the prostate cancer cells experience massive and
repaid 'apoptosis,' or cellular suicide, within I to 2 hours."

ginger is a powerful inhibitor of the 5-LO enzyme."

ginger is the world's most comprehensive herbal inhibitor of 5-LO,
with at least 22 proven phytonutrient inhibitors of that enzyme. What
is more, Oriental cultures that regularly consume ginger as a spice,
or which take it therapeutically, experience a fraction of the cancer
mortalities compared to the United States. In other words, men don't
die from prostate cancer cells we die from the growth and
proliferation of the cancer. Once we know that ginger inhibits the
process that leads to the creation of the ONLY food the cancer cells
will eat, it gives us confidence that an herbal approach to 5-LO
inhibition is an indispensable part of prostate health
the cancer cells only eat 5-HETE, ?and without it they begin to
massively and rapidly die within one to two hours."

Read More

P.M.
****
July 2004
I am now further updating on July 20. 2004.

A PSA taken on July 7, 2004 showed a spike from 10.8 on April 7, 2004
to 23.2.

PSA April 7, 2004 10.8
PSA July 7, 2004 23.2

This was a bit of a disappointment to say the least. Things like this
have happened before. After the initial surprise I try to analyze the
situation and try to figure what went wrong.

After really looking at it I don't believe it is hard to figure. For
the last four or five months I have been a little careless concerning
proper diet. I know that, while I haven't gone "hog wild" on sweets I
haven't exactly abstained. I haven't followed the Budwig Protocol
nearly as closely as I could have.

From this day on I am incraeasing the FO/CC to 5 tablespoons a day. I
am also going to a diet that will exclude most of the things that need
to be excluded. I need to get more rest. If one is going to control
PCa with a nutritional approach one cannot go just half way.

I have been using ellagic acid and powdered ginger. Apparently they
have not been of major help as yet.

I understand that one complete nutrition package is brown rice and beans
cooked without sugar. Just boil them and season. I did it tonight and
I really liked it. A little chicken gravy on the rice fixed it up.

I will follow this for three months to the next PSA. We need to know
whether or not this approach can be used to control an at least semi-
aggressive PCa. For many with aggressive, refactory PCas there is
little else that promises any real help. I will continue to be a
clinical trial of 1.

From: "Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@...>
To: "Leukemia"

There are lessons here in my opinion.

Cliff
*

Hi,

A former brother in law [My first wife passed away in 1973] was found to
have a chronic Leukemia in 1993 or 94. The doctor's watched the white
count
and when it got to a high level administered three rounds of chemo.

After that [my knowledge of the exact course of events is a little
sketchy]
he developed Lymphoma. There is speculation that the chemo for the
Leukemia
eliminated enough of the immune system that the Lymphoma was able to get
started.]

Since that time Jim was on all kinds of chemo. When we heard about it
we sent a tape and Jim had also used Flaxseed Oil faithfully.

My contact has been very limited, but I understand that several times in
the
past years he was told to get his affairs in order. The doctors could
not
understand how well Jim was holding up to the chemo treatmenst and how
well
he was doing as the chemo did not appear to be successful. They knew he
was
using Flaxseed Oil but dismissed that as of no consequence.

A few months back he was told that they could do no more chemo as it
would
kill him. They put him on some kind of cancer medicine in pill form. His
wife did not know what it was. He went down hill and the time left was
not
long.

If it were possible to go back to the time the Leukemia was first
detected
and go with Flaxseed Oil without chemo from there I wonder what might
have
happened.
Unfortunately, we can only go around once and we can't do it both ways.

Chemo can be deadly stuff. The idea is, I understand, that the chemo
will
hurt the cancer cells more than the rest of the body and the rest of the
body will hopefully recover.

Jim went into a coma and passed away March 1, 2000.

om: "Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@...>
To: "FlaxSeedOil2@..."

Hi,

I am sure this is in the archives but this morning I sent it to a new
contact from another source and I decided to post it so that new
members might see it.

At the time this was written I did not even know the full story of the
Budwig protocol. ?All I knew was adding it to my regular diet.

I am so thankful for those on this list that are doing more than I.
Anyway one looks at it, my days are probably numbered due to age
but I do not fear that time and I am thrilled that the things learned
over the past years will continue to be of benefit to many

Both Betsy and the one who wrote me the letter are gone for
a number of years.

?Both stayed on Chemo to the bitter end.

Betsy had a fairly remarkable recovery and was doing great
except that she istened to her doctor and stayed with the chemo.

I deleted th doctor's ?name.

?Chemo will kill if one just stays with it. That is based on
observation.
This
originally came from a friend of mine with advanced Prostate Cancer. ?He
lived around 13 years from the time of diagnosis and had every chemo and
treatment that standard medicine had to offer.

He used the FO/CC for awhile and improved but did not ever give up his
doubts about the FO/CC being that effective and depended on chemicals
primarily.

?Cliff
?****

Betsy is a friend of ours, in her 70s I suppose. She has multiple
myeloma,
a very deadly kind of bone cancer, and is being treated by the same
oncologist I go to.

We saw Betsy a couple weeks ago. She's bright eyed and bushy
tailed...her old self. She mentioned that Dr.----- had recently told her
she
was his "miracle patient".

This spring I had heard about Betsy's situation. It was greatly
different
from what it is today. She was extremely sick and unable to eat.
She could only lie in bed and was just wasting away. Her husband, Don,
thought she was dying. He may have been right.

It had taken a long time for her doctors to diagnose an obviously
deteriorating health condition as multiple myeloma, ?so
that it was quite an advanced case before she was referred to
Dr.-------as I understand it.

I believe she had recently been started on chemotherapy by Dr.--------
a little before I learned what was happening. But no matte ?how
good his treatment might have been, if she couldn't eat she wasn't
going to get better.

I went down to --------- and bought a pint of Barlean's lignan rich
flaxseed oil, some low-fat cottage cheese, a pineapple and some honey,
and took it over to Don.

Don made Betsy a smoothie, using some of the pineapple to cover
the taste of the oil. A little later I learned that Betsy had called the
smoothie ?"delicious food". She could eat it!

Later still, I heard that Betsy likes tuna fish in her flaxseed oil
and cottage cheese smoothies, instead of the ?pineapple. You can
use anything in the smoothies to make them taste good to
you.

In the meantime, Don had ordered some of the oil direct
from Barlean's.

If you're a cancer patient it's sold to you at wholesale and
costs about half as much as at-------------or other health food
stores, even with the shipping cost.

It wasn't too much longer before Betsy was able to get up and be in a
wheelchair. Soon she was able to stand and get around a little with a
walker.

A month or so ago she went in some cancer event that involved a
3-mile walk. She had intended only to do the first mile but ended
up doin the whole thing! She was back.

Betsy is an avid gardener and has one of the city plots. She had
been able to get the garden planted somehow, with help from
Don, and has been delivering great quantities of produce all
summer. Every now and then Don brings some by for us. He
thinks I saved Betsy's life.

Is Betsy's amazing response to the treatment of this devasting
kind of bone cancer because of the combined benefits of the
flaxseed oil and chemotherapy?

My friend----------
***

There is controversy here. I see this as an example of the fact that the
flaxseed oil will be of real benefit even though chemo is being used.

I personally do not know of many , if any,situations where the
continuous use of chemo has resulted in real recovery.

Chemo does kill cancer cells, maybe 9d5 to 98% of them, but does
not kill all of them.

The patient is now in remission but the resistant cells continue to
survive and increase. As the "treatment" is continued, the cancer
cells are not affected, but the good cells of the body and the
immune system, heart, liver, etc. are contuing to be destroyed.

When the patient is aware that the cancer has "returned" a new
chemo must be tried because the old one is no longer effective.
The cycle is again followed and the patient is again in "remission".
The word "remission" is used because there is no expectation of a cure.

With each new cycle of chemo the patient is increasingly weaker
and less able to fight the invader and death will occur.

The flaxseed oil, with the Omega 3, may be a major help but
cannot do the whole job against the destruction of the chemo.

I do not know the complete details, but I understand that the
chemo was continued and eventually Betsy passed away.

Cliff

UNTREATED PATIENTS LIVE 4 TIMES LONGER

? than those who got conventional cancer therapy Excerpts below quote a
speech
? by Dr. Hardin Jones, a prominent cancer researcher and former
professor at the
? Donner Lab of Medical Physics at the University of California (at both
? Berkeley and Davis.)

? Dr. Hardin Jones published these statistics in his article tin
Transactions,
? New York Academy of Science, series 2, v. 18, n.3, p.322. Write us for
others
? who collected their own cancer survival statistics, and who accuse
official
? studies of being "doctored" or skewed by drug sponsors, to show some
benefits
? for chemotherapy.

? "My studies have proved conclusively that cancer patients who refuse
? chemotherapy and radiation actually live up to FOUR TIMES LONGER THAN
TREATED CASES."

? Dr. Jones, formerly a physiologist with the University of California
? Department of Medical Physics, has been studying cancer for more than
23 years. He has
? traveled the world collecting data on the dreaded disease and
presented his
? findings to the American Cancer Society and medical schools.

Great pointers, Simon! Do the Sunshine Burgers list soy or lecithin as an ingredient??

I love almonds but my teeth do not take them so well anymore. However what I had found once when preparing a 'take along' snack was.. I had cut up some celery in about 1/2" chunks with some raisins and almonds in a container to take with. The moisture from the freshly washed and prepared celery had made the almonds softer and of course delicous too. So now I soak the almonds in some water about 1/2 at least before snacking on them.

Also, I had begun canning my beans several years ago after learning how the Adventists do theirs. Simply wash the beans put about 3/4 -1 c in a quart jar, fill with water, salt if you wish, and process in pressure cooker for specific amount of time. Super! and ready to use ! If anyone is interested I can look up the exact amount of beans and processing time.

~Katlee

On Tuesday 20 July 2004 08:07 am, yaffabenavraham wrote:

Hi there, I'm new in the group,I'm a woman 50 years old with ovarian
cancer stage 4,after a bad chemo sesion with Topotecan I lost a lot
of weight and become so weak I can barely move from my bed.
Now I started a new chemo course with cisplatin which seems working
fine but I am? exhausted,I have read your article regarding chemo
and I quite agree with you, I'm on Dr. Budwig diet for a month now
and I'm considering to stop all the chemo and concentrate only on the
FO diet and some additional non conventional treatments. Has anybody
advice for me? did somebody try something like that?

Thanks in advance

****

This is a subject that is difficult to answer here without being accused
of practicing medicine without a license.

I will put on a couple of of documents which may give some ideas.

If there is anyone on the list who has been cured of cancer with chemo
they should answer and give details.

Cliff

HI,

I didn't put this on the list, but I am now. Some have contacted me
privately for which I am grateful.

My address has been cliffb865@.... That will still be good for
another couple of weeks or so, but by then my new address:

cliffb865@...

will be the only address operating.

Cliff

Hi Sandy
Enjoy the travels and seeing family in England. Thanks for your help in the short period I've contacted you. We look forward to hearing of further success after the visit.
Best wishes, Denzil