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Re: Breaking the Budwig rule!!!!!

[email protected]
 

here is a thought... i have not read the original where Dr. Budwig apparently mentions this observation of hers... could it be just that - an empirical observation the whys of which she chose not to invest time to more deeply investigate since she preferred spending her time helping so many heal who carefully followed her instructions "to the letter"?

Ulla

Ray wrote,
Persons who break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie
eating preserved meats, candy, etc) will sometimes grow rapidly worse
and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree

I asked this question after reading the above from numerous web
sites. This was I believe a quote from one of the books still in
German!!!! perhaps - but i have not seen this in the two already
translated books in English

When I read this I did not read it saying that we should stick with
the Budwig diet ( that goes without saying) - The part I found
intesting was:

'and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree'

which would indicate that if we were to stray ie sugar or the
wrong fats for a while, then came back to the Budwig diet it may not
work a second time for some - 'hence cannot be saved after they come back'

I find that strange if it works once - why not twice or three times
Re: Anti-oxidants

 

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Paul Cates" <paerca@h...> wrote:
I was reading in April 2004 archive and found posts stating that anti-
oxidants and cox inhibitors may block the effectiveness of the Budwig
protocol, which would mean that we shouldn't be taking many vitamins
and minerals and not curcumin, turmeric, holy basil etc. We should
keep our wholesome (vegan) diets, fo/cc and fs, sunshine, and that is
all.

Any comments?
I would need to see powerful evidence to the contrary for me to stop
the various supplements I'm taking, all of which are supported by
either clinical or anecdotal evidence (or both).

Terry
Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules

Barb
 

What is 'beta-glucan'?
Thanks,
Barb

..>
From: "max" <max@...>
Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules

I believe Cliff reported many such cases he knew
of in an earlier post. Perhaps this indicates
that FO/CC should be used together with another
modality like beta-glucan
so that the results are more permanent, whether
the
protocol is followed or not after remission is
obtained.

Max



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Re: Breaking the Budwig rule!!!!!

max
 

Yes, that is a very valid point. Why cannot the Budwig protocol work
a second time around. This is not being skeptical about the protocol,
it is only asking logical questions that need to be asked.
Best
Max

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Cates" <paerca@...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 2:10 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Breaking the Budwig rule!!!!!


I read somewhere recently that it takes 2-3 years to remove the trans
fatty acids from our systems, even with being on the Budwig diet. I
could therefore see that slipping off could be hazardous, but I am
not sure why it could not be reversed again, but then I am an
engineer not a physicist.
Paul

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "nejray" <ipuk@o...> wrote:
Persons who break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie
eating preserved meats, candy, etc) will sometimes grow rapidly
worse
and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree

I asked this question after reading the above from numerous web
sites. This was I believe a quote from one of the books still in
German!!!! perhaps - but i have not seen this in the two already
translated books in English

When I read this I did not read it saying that we should stick with
the Budwig diet ( that goes without saying) - The part I found
intesting was:

'and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree'

which would indicate that if we were to stray ie sugar or the
wrong
fats for a while, then came back to the Budwig diet it may not work
a
second time for some - 'hence cannot be saved after they come back'

I find that strange if it works once - why not twice or three times

Regards

Ray




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Re: Anti-oxidants

Paul Cates
 

Wilhelm,
Here is the reference to the cox inhibitors. ( 17548 ) Also
referenced in that post is this table



My question would be this, since curcumin and turmeric are both cox2
inhibitors, does that interfere with omega 3 oils? I have read that
the cox2 is the "bad" one,(even though we need them in a healthy
body) in a cancerous body and that cox1 is good. Which one actually
is used for omega 3 utilization.
Paul


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@t...>
wrote:
Paul,
please give the message number(s) for reference.

Wilhelm
Re: Breaking the Budwig rule!!!!!

Paul Cates
 

I read somewhere recently that it takes 2-3 years to remove the trans
fatty acids from our systems, even with being on the Budwig diet. I
could therefore see that slipping off could be hazardous, but I am
not sure why it could not be reversed again, but then I am an
engineer not a physicist.
Paul

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "nejray" <ipuk@o...> wrote:
Persons who break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie
eating preserved meats, candy, etc) will sometimes grow rapidly
worse
and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree

I asked this question after reading the above from numerous web
sites. This was I believe a quote from one of the books still in
German!!!! perhaps - but i have not seen this in the two already
translated books in English

When I read this I did not read it saying that we should stick with
the Budwig diet ( that goes without saying) - The part I found
intesting was:

'and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree'

which would indicate that if we were to stray ie sugar or the
wrong
fats for a while, then came back to the Budwig diet it may not work
a
second time for some - 'hence cannot be saved after they come back'

I find that strange if it works once - why not twice or three times

Regards

Ray
Re: Anti-oxidants

Paul Cates
 

Wilhelm,
Here are the references to the use of anti-oxidants and Budwig
Protocol. ( 17583, 938, 1907 and more )
I haven't found the references to the cox inhibitors. The post
concluded that the action of the cox inhibitors was the action
required to use omega 3 properly. I think I remember it being posted
by Greg Watson. But I have yet to find it.

Paul
--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@t...>
wrote:
Paul,
please give the message number(s) for reference.

Wilhelm
Breaking the Budwig rule!!!!!

nejray
 

Persons who break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie
eating preserved meats, candy, etc) will sometimes grow rapidly worse
and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree

I asked this question after reading the above from numerous web
sites. This was I believe a quote from one of the books still in
German!!!! perhaps - but i have not seen this in the two already
translated books in English

When I read this I did not read it saying that we should stick with
the Budwig diet ( that goes without saying) - The part I found
intesting was:

'and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree'

which would indicate that if we were to stray ie sugar or the wrong
fats for a while, then came back to the Budwig diet it may not work a
second time for some - 'hence cannot be saved after they come back'

I find that strange if it works once - why not twice or three times

Regards

Ray
Re: [cancercured] Lorrain Day MD Surgeon and cancer survivor

 

From: "Barb" <barb1283@...>
Has anyone read her books and think they are
worth purchasing?
If money's not an issue. I've seen her speak and am familiar w/her
work. She's greatly inspiring, but in addition to being very dogmatic,
she seems to use a 1-dimensional, extreme approach that, in my
opinion, is suitable only for a small minority of cancer patients. I
believe the informational contents in her products can be obtained
elsewhere for free. I THINK the primary components of her approach are
juicing and raw fruit-vegetable diet (the barebones of Gerson
therapy).

She said traditional cancer treatment is like
blowing up a house with a bomb in order to kill
the roaches in it. Roaches are gone but so is
house.
Yes, and that's how she typically speaks, and thinks, from what I've
seen.


From: "leedsman1954" <leedsman1954@...>
--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., <catherinecoy@c...> wrote:
Nothing is very flattering about alternative medicine on
Quackwatch. Quackwatch is simply the PR tool of Cancer, Inc.
I couldn't agree more

I agree that Quackwatch is very anti-alternative but that doesn't
mean that everything on there is wrong! (And I am not passing any
judgement either way re. Dr.Day). I think that the pro-alternative
camp can be just as biased the other way.
Very true.
Re: Lorraine Day MD

 

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., <catherinecoy@c...> wrote:
Nothing is very flattering about alternative medicine on
Quackwatch. Quackwatch is simply the PR tool of Cancer, Inc.

I agree that Quackwatch is very anti-alternative but that doesn't
mean that everything on there is wrong! (And I am not passing any
judgement either way re. Dr.Day). I think that the pro-alternative
camp can be just as biased the other way.
Re: Anti-oxidants

Ed Watanabe
 

On another subject....does anyone know the relationship of the increase of
PSA numbers and lowering level of albumin? Since low levels of albumin have
been linked to all cancers it is assumed that this could be a sure way of
determining cancer by watching these two numbers? If anyone has any
documented information in this regard, I would appreciate it.

Thanks
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Wilhelm Hansen [mailto:wilhelmh@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:55 AM
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Anti-oxidants


Paul,
please give the message number(s) for reference.

Wilhelm
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Cates
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:59 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Anti-oxidants


I was reading in April 2004 archive and found posts stating that anti-
oxidants and cox inhibitors may block the effectiveness of the Budwig
protocol, which would mean that we shouldn't be taking many vitamins
and minerals and not curcumin, turmeric, holy basil etc. We should
keep our wholesome (vegan) diets, fo/cc and fs, sunshine, and that is
all.

Any comments?






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The contents of the posts on FlaxSeedOil2 are purely educational and are not
intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about
the diagnosis and treatment of health problems.
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Re: Anti-oxidants

Wilhelm Hansen
 

Paul,
please give the message number(s) for reference.

Wilhelm

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Cates
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:59 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Anti-oxidants


I was reading in April 2004 archive and found posts stating that anti-
oxidants and cox inhibitors may block the effectiveness of the Budwig
protocol, which would mean that we shouldn't be taking many vitamins
and minerals and not curcumin, turmeric, holy basil etc. We should
keep our wholesome (vegan) diets, fo/cc and fs, sunshine, and that is
all.

Any comments?
take time to decide- alternative or allopathic

 

I found it very interesting when my son was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. In August, it was felt. By the time of the biopsy and the doctors waiting to let him know he found out in October two months later. THey never felt it was important enought to call him and tell him to come in when they got the results.

The minute they told him, there was an urgency to set the appt. for surgery. They told him it was the easiest cancer to treat. Thank goodness he did not go for surgery. He kept postponing it until January of this year at which time he decided only altnernatives.

Since then we have heard of a lot of horror stories when taking the allopathic route with his cancer.

On one of the alternative sites it says when you find out that you have cancer take 2 weeks off and do nothing but research. Whatever the decision at least let it be a very informed one.
Rhoda



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Fw: help needed

glogan
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashok T. Jaisinghani (by way of Chris Gupta <chrisgupta@...>)
To: Recipient list suppressed
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: help needed


Hello Chris,

Can you request your colleagues to provide the necessary information
to Divya Singh through Sunita Showkeen <sshowkeen@...> ?

Please treat the matter as very urgent.

Ashok T. Jaisinghani.
Editor & Publisher:
www.Wonder-Cures.com
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in the category of Wonder Cures.

E-mail: atsingha@...
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___________________________________

----- Original Message -----
From: MOHAN GWALANI <gwalaniml@...>
To: <asha_ig@...>; <atsingha@...>;
Sent: 09 Aug 2004 12:14 AM
Subject: Fw: help needed



----- Original Message -----
From: Gita g
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: Fwd: help needed


Sunita Showkeen <sshowkeen@...> wrote:
To: ,
"Gopi-Infovergix" ,

Subject: help needed
From: Sunita Showkeen
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:22:42 +0530


----- Forwarded by Sunita Showkeen/IN/APAC/TCCC on 07/27/2004 12:18 PM -----

can you help?

If possible help by giving information. Help Needed. Please Don't Delete.

> From Divya Singh (Siemens)
>
> Dear Friends
>
> Please help, if possible. This is important to me. so I am asking
you to please forward it. Please send this to all your contacts.
>
> If anyone you know who has survived NON SMALL CELL LUNG CANCER,
please inform me at the address given below. My husband has it and I
would like to know what treatment was used. Please forward this to
everyone on your contact list. From the bottom of my heart I thank
you.
>
> Thank you,
> Divya Singh

> Inform here :
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> #84, Keonics Electronics City,
> Hosur Road,
> Bangalore - 561 229.
> INDIA

Please keep forwarding this, even if u r unable to help. Somebody
else might be able to. GOD BLESS YOU.

Rajesh
ph : 044-22436267
Re: Lorraine Day MD

[email protected]
 

Nothing is very flattering about alternative medicine on Quackwatch. Quackwatch is simply the PR tool of Cancer, Inc.


From: "leedsman1954" <leedsman1954@...>
Date: 2004/08/10 Tue AM 08:31:26 EDT
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Lorraine Day MD
ELDI Oil Purchasing Questions

 

I gave you my answers below. I would appreciate your sending the new price list to me.
Thanks
Rhodaf@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Cates
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] ELDI Oil Purchasing Questions


I am confused about the methods of payment and ordering for the ELDI
Oil. The "sticky" on ELDI Oil doesn't address shipping costs or added
expenses or the method of payment. I wrote to Wolfgang Bloching and
he sent me a new price list but no other instructions.

How long does it take to get the oil?
ABOUT 10 DAYS. IF SHIPPING THE FASTER METHOD. THE SAME PRICE TO SHIP 2 BOTTLES AS ONE.I ORDERED 2 IN APRIL. I AM ABOUT TO OPEN MY 2ND BOTTLE.


How long does one bottle of "R" last? (so I know how many to buy)

IT DEPENDS ON HOW OFTEN YOU APPLY IT AND IF YOU APPLY IT ALL OVER etc..

Does he ship and bill or does he wait until payment is received
before shipping?

I SENT HIM MY VISA CARD INFO VIA EMAIL. YOU CAN FAX THE INFO.

What are the methods of payment (Visa, MasterCharge, Western Union,
Personal Check)?




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Anti-oxidants

Paul Cates
 

I was reading in April 2004 archive and found posts stating that anti-
oxidants and cox inhibitors may block the effectiveness of the Budwig
protocol, which would mean that we shouldn't be taking many vitamins
and minerals and not curcumin, turmeric, holy basil etc. We should
keep our wholesome (vegan) diets, fo/cc and fs, sunshine, and that is
all.

Any comments?
Lorraine Day MD

 

There is a not very flattering piece about this lady on Quackwatch.

www.Quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/day.html

Sorry, I tried to put the address as a link but couldn't manage it!
ELDI Oil Purchasing Questions

Paul Cates
 

I am confused about the methods of payment and ordering for the ELDI
Oil. The "sticky" on ELDI Oil doesn't address shipping costs or added
expenses or the method of payment. I wrote to Wolfgang Bloching and
he sent me a new price list but no other instructions.

How long does it take to get the oil?

How long does one bottle of "R" last? (so I know how many to buy)

Does he ship and bill or does he wait until payment is received
before shipping?

What are the methods of payment (Visa, MasterCharge, Western Union,
Personal Check)?
Re: tumeric

Carolyn J. Kreibich
 

You have sent a series of emails with the message below. I did not
receive any of the forwarded messages. Can you cut and paste them into
an email and then post them to the list?

Thanks,
Carolyn

robert farkas wrote:

Note: forwarded message attached.
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