Folding Money on BBC series "Guilt"

Excellent use of Folding Money on the new series of Guilt,

a few minutes into the program. I think they had some Fall

on the soundtrack to the first series too.

Re: The Fall and Cherry Red

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The "first/second show" thing is not getting enough excited attention. If they've really got either the first or second gig, that's huge news!

Dan

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Date: 23/10/2021 02:26 (GMT+00:00)

To: Fallnet <[email protected]>

Subject: [FallNet] The Fall and Cherry Red

<https://www.cherryred.co.uk/the-one-label-that-was-not-out-the-fall-and-cherry-red/>
And what does the future hold? “We’ve got Grant Showbiz’s material lined up, plus the first ever show the group ever played, which may indeed be the second ever show,” Hammonds says.

Mark

The Fall and Cherry Red

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And what does the future hold? “We’ve got Grant Showbiz’s material lined up, plus the first ever show the group ever played, which may indeed be the second ever show,” Hammonds says.

Mark

Re: John Godbert, cover artist for LATWT, strikes again..

#1182

d'ohh -- I just now belatedly realized the band's name is actually Hawthonn, not HAWTHORNE.?

Anyway, the full album is now released..?

go back to whatever you were in the midst of putting off..?

JC

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On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 6:57 PM Mark via <mountainoaf=[email protected]> wrote:

> Currently listening to this heavy-ambient thing on
> bandcamp by a groop called Hawthorne. Their new
> album has a cover by Godbert:
>
>?

I believe he also plays in Leeds-based wobbly-wonky-rattly ambient/drone outfit Vibracathedral Orchestra:

(It is currently Bandcamp Friday, by the way.)

And that Hawthorne album is good stuff - thanks for recommending it.

Ba Da Bing have released the last few Dead C albums and their offshoot label Grapefruit are releasing 4 albums by always-excellent Roy Montgomery this year.?

Mark

Oh Brother podcast live recording

#1181

There's a live recording of the excellent Oh Brother podcast coming up:

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Mark

Re: Moe Tucker doc

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On Oct 21, 2021, at 3:57 AM, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall@...> wrote:

I just watched this: 
Thanks!

It's really good, the rather well-groomed guy in the big posh house demonstrates what Moe Tucker plays on stacks of VU songs. 

I feel like a total numpty not realising how unique her style was, maybe that's because what she did fitted just so perfectly in with the rest of the VU sound?I love how completely unpretentious she was, well, seemed. And I too didn't realize how much I loved what she sounded like. And the way she looked playing.

I was prompted to watch it because I enjoyed the VU doc on Apple TV so much. I saw it at a cinema last night! The theatre wasn't crowded but I just noticed that they've extended the showings for another week. Loved getting to know John Cale so well, how it all came about for hm was so interesting and so inspiring all over again. There's lots in it I loved. TH was lucky to get to use all that early Warhol footage. I could stare at his (AW) film "stills" forever, I really could. They're so gorgeous, so deep and so luscious in a way his silk screen portraits never were. I really think they're some of the best portraiture in all of art history (not that art history seems to matter even to future art historians, sadly, for future everyone). There were some young very hipsters in the audience, they came in late and they chatted and giggled through some of it (any would have been a lot) and left as soon as the credits started rolling (I wish I meant the opening credits). They seemed thoroughly untouched by it, as if they knew they should go see the film and know who VU are but not because it was something personally meaningful. That was my impression anyway.  When I was young, this history (VU, etc.), music history meant so much to me, I had such reverence for it, was so thrilled by it.  I still could listen to Venus in Furs for a thousand years.

I love the Primitives!  Had not known about them.

hilda x

I'd also forgotten they reformed in 1993 - how did I not bust a gut to go and see them live?!?

adam

Re: Moe Tucker doc

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On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 8:37 AM Jeff Curtis <jacurtis@...> wrote:

I remember the Velvets' early 90s reunion, but I was a new father at that time and the idea of traveling to one of the coasts to pay gobs of cash to see them at the time was not really even a possibility. I did get a letter in Rolling Stone magazine at the time, however, making a snarky comment about them touring as an opener for U2, comparing that to Jimi Hendrix having opened for the Monkees back in the day..?

I should really get back to proofreading my emails before sending them. How many times can I use "at the time" in one email?

I wanted to mention, too, that that Rolling Stone letter was also later quoted in the second edition of the Velvets biography, "Up-Tight," literally making me a footnote in music history.?

JC

Re: Moe Tucker doc

#1178

Oh cool, I haven't seen this either. But yeah, I saw the Velvets doc in the theater last weekend, and it was just fantastic, I thought. Watching Jonathan Richman talking about them nearly brought me to tears, it was so moving. I'd definitely recommend going to see it in a theater if you can, the sound was incredible and 3-dimensional, I've never heard anything like it before. There's a double soundtrack cd out for it as well.?

I remember the Velvets' early 90s reunion, but I was a new father at that time and the idea of traveling to one of the coasts to pay gobs of cash to see them at the time was not really even a possibility. I did get a letter in Rolling Stone magazine at the time, however, making a snarky comment about them touring as an opener for U2, comparing that to Jimi Hendrix having opened for the Monkees back in the day..?

JC

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On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 3:57 AM Adam Marshall <adam.marshall@...> wrote:

I just watched this:

It's really good, the rather well-groomed guy in the big posh house demonstrates what Moe Tucker plays on stacks of VU songs.

I feel like a total numpty not realising how unique her style was, maybe that's because what she did fitted just so perfectly in with the rest of the VU sound?

I was prompted to watch it because I enjoyed the VU doc on Apple TV so much.

I'd also forgotten they reformed in 1993 - how did I not bust a gut to go and see them live?!?

adam

Moe Tucker doc

#1177

I just watched this: 

It's really good, the rather well-groomed guy in the big posh house demonstrates what Moe Tucker plays on stacks of VU songs. 

I feel like a total numpty not realising how unique her style was, maybe that's because what she did fitted just so perfectly in with the rest of the VU sound?

I was prompted to watch it because I enjoyed the VU doc on Apple TV so much. 

I'd also forgotten they reformed in 1993 - how did I not bust a gut to go and see them live?!?

adam

Re: New JC radio program email list

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Jeff:

> I'm trying to get off of facebook

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Easy enough to get banned, surely. (I could give you some tips)

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But though very understandable, why not simply keep a dormant account with no information to use messenger for people who don't have whatever it is you kids use on your portable telephones?

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As long as you NEVER actually post anything, or EVER look at ANYONE'S posts on Facebook, it is perfectly harmless, and you will stop having those dreams of cutting off faces with a razor blade.

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Oh and you switch off that green light snooper thing.

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And stop watching TV, listening to radio, walking on streets, or using social media.

?

Err, I see your point.

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New JC radio program email list

#1175

Hey all --?

I'm trying to get off of facebook -- basically the only thing I use it for anymore is for promoting and posting the playlists of my weekly college radio show, the WHAT YOU NEED radio program on WRUW-FM, 91.1 Cleveland. But I do like sharing my playlists and show archives to the world, so I decided to start a email list to make up for the loss of fb as my venue for that.?

If any of y'all are interested, you can find and subscribe to it here:?/g/whatyouneed

I haven't posted anything to it yet -- so far there are only 3 members; one of whom is myself, another is FallNet's very own Mark H. The third member is my friend Charlotte Pressler, the ex-wife of Peter Laughner and former member of the Cleveland and NYC band Red Dark Sweet. But I just created this thing yesterday, so it's very new still.?

Anyway -- I would love to have any of you aboard if you're interested. I'll basically just be posting my weekly playlists and a link to the archive download -- it's a pretty good radio show, if I do say so myself, but then again, everything I play on it is stuff that I like, so why shouldn't I think that? I'm sure many of you would find it terrible. But I do start each program off with a track by the mighty Fall, at least. And play an Ivor Cutler track at the midpoint of the 2 hour show. Add it to your podcast habits, maybe, I dunno. I'm not looking to make it a discussion list particularly, but I certainly wouldn't mind if that happened as well.?

I expect my first post to the list to be coming out next Tuesday morning, as the show usually runs on Monday nights from 11pm - 1am Eastern time on . You can download a high-quality archive of the show or listen to the streaming archive on the WRUW site -- I'll provide links to both.?

cheers

JC

Re: Pat Fish RIP

#1174

Pat was a massive fan of the Fall. It’s fitting that both he and Smith passed in a somewhat similar fashion — selflessly gigging until the end was very nigh and never letting on how much pain they were in.

CC

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On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 1:07 AM Mark via <mountainoaf=[email protected]> wrote:

Pat Fish, Jazz Butcher, RIP:

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Re: Pat Fish RIP

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No way. Ugh. He just had rescheduled a gig that he didn't make last week, didn't he? I'm nowhere near where he his but I saw it on Facebook.?

He brought me a lot of joy. When I was in high school, we were at the mall and had stopped in a chain record store to browse. An upperclassman was working in the store and kind of puffed his chest out and said he was the manager. We must not have looked impressed enough, because he bragged that he could give us free stuff. I pulled out "Bloody Nonsense" which I think was a US-only compilation of The Jazz Butcher songs from various releases, and he unlocked it from the anti-theft thingy and handed it to me. It began a long appreciation for Pat and Max and David and friends, and I paid for many more releases over the years. The version of "Human Jungle" on that cassette was superior to other versions I found later, I recall.

Bummed.

David

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On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 4:07 AM Mark via <mountainoaf=[email protected]> wrote:

Pat Fish, Jazz Butcher, RIP:

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Mark

Pat Fish RIP

#1172

Pat Fish, Jazz Butcher, RIP:

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Mark

Re: John Godbert, cover artist for LATWT, strikes again..

#1171

Does Roy Montgomery play out much in Christchurch
(covid and all considered) as a general thing?   Rarely, and I've never seen him play live even though I'm in Chch. Definitely a bucket list entry.?

Mark

Re: John Godbert, cover artist for LATWT, strikes again..

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Hello,

I used to collect everything that the Vibracathedral Orchestra released when I was in college and could still afford to buy multiple records a week, haha...

<3

Sean P.

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I believe he also plays in Leeds-based wobbly-wonky-rattly ambient/drone outfit Vibracathedral Orchestra:

Re: John Godbert, cover artist for LATWT, strikes again..

#1169

Does Roy Montgomery play out much in Christchurch (covid and all considered) as a general thing?? ?He's never been the most frequent of visitors to the North Island. To me knowledge have only seen him once in Welly, a while back,? Accompanying shorts for one of Mark Williams' film collections in the (what is now the) portrait gallery building Shed.

stve

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On Fri, 1 Oct 2021, 11:57 pm Mark via , <mountainoaf=[email protected]> wrote:

> Currently listening to this heavy-ambient thing on
> bandcamp by a groop called Hawthorne. Their new
> album has a cover by Godbert:
>
>?

I believe he also plays in Leeds-based wobbly-wonky-rattly ambient/drone outfit Vibracathedral Orchestra:

(It is currently Bandcamp Friday, by the way.)

And that Hawthorne album is good stuff - thanks for recommending it.

Ba Da Bing have released the last few Dead C albums and their offshoot label Grapefruit are releasing 4 albums by always-excellent Roy Montgomery this year.?

Mark

Re: John Godbert, cover artist for LATWT, strikes again..

#1168

Currently listening to this heavy-ambient thing on
bandcamp by a groop called Hawthorne. Their new
album has a cover by Godbert:

?I believe he also plays in Leeds-based wobbly-wonky-rattly ambient/drone outfit Vibracathedral Orchestra:

(It is currently Bandcamp Friday, by the way.)

And that Hawthorne album is good stuff - thanks for recommending it.

Ba Da Bing have released the last few Dead C albums and their offshoot label Grapefruit are releasing 4 albums by always-excellent Roy Montgomery this year.?

Mark

Re: Grant Showbiz

#1167

Yeah, the whole interview is great and talks about Bragg and others past and recent (well, it's been 20 years since the interview) stuff. I thought it was behind a paywall (I'm a subscriber) but looks like it actually isn't.

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On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 6:37 PM steve dean <stevencharlesdean@...> wrote:

Agree with Cole.? Grant came round doing sound for Billy Bragg. Had a chat.? Bones of which were "Mark is brilliant but he's fucking mad".

stve

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, 11:32 pm Cole Coonce, <cole.coonce@...> wrote:
Showbiz is the business.

Then there's this:

CC

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 2:54 PM David Bivins <dabivins@...> wrote:
Apologies if this has been excerpted before.

From TapeOp March/April 2000 issue:

(about Dragnet)
It was my first professional record. I did?Dragnet?in '79 and I suppose the last thing I did was this "Chilinist" thing, which I suspect is the basic track that they still used on the single, which must have been '97. The third album with The Fall was?Slates. Adrian Sherwood came in and did some time with it. He had the whole kind of snare mic'd up on the stairs, put through the reverb and then fed back in. I thought, "Okay, I like this. I'm not going to spend as long as Adrian does getting it, but if it happens, go with it." You've heard a sound, it's worked really well, and you spend 3 hours setting up in your studio and it just doesn't work. I've really learned lots of things like pointing the mic down away from the [kick drum] beater, make sure it's right in there. And then one day you don't do that, you mic it from the front. The mic is outside the drum and it sounds great, and you're like, "Oh my God! Everything I've learned is wrong." But I can look back at The Fall stuff and think, "I don't mind." It's looked upon as brilliant stuff. I think The Fall are probably the best band in the world. 20 years of sheer brilliance.

(about MES)
What you see is people going over their peak. Certainly with Mark E. Smith I was thinking, "Well you're not making sense anymore." It came to head for me when we made "Chilinest". I was up there working on it, and Craig Scanlon, who was one of the great guitarists of The Fall, had gotten a clarinet and we tried really hard to get it to work, to get a good sound. Then Mark heard it and said, "What the fuck is there a clarinet on this song for?" He told us to wipe it off the track. He went back to the pub and came back three hours later. We played the mix again and Mark was like, "This is shit. Where is the clarinet? That was the best thing on the track." I've seen Mark since then and he's much more stable now and I support him dearly — the last record he made was absolutely fantastic — but I just thought it's not for me. You make a decision. You say, "I can't do this anymore!" I'm very close to Mark, I'm in contact with him 8 or 9 times a year. The last time I saw him he was very, very sober after a lot of this trouble with the band and Steve Hanley finally leaving. So he cleaned up his act. He did say, "We should work together," and then I thought, "You've got to actually ask me to do this." I can't phone him up. He never did and I thought, "Okay, well, I'll leave this. I'll just carry on buying their records." As a kid, you think you're going to say to a cabbie, "I worked for The Fall. I've done about half a dozen albums. They're a seminal punk band." And the guy's like, "The Fall?"

John Godbert, cover artist for LATWT, strikes again..

#1166

Currently listening to this heavy-ambient thing on bandcamp by a groop called Hawthorne. Their new album has a cover by Godbert:

-- I personally like this kinda stuff, especially for falling asleep to..?

JC