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Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls and make my
own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the whole tool
would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm just a
beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just the 'average'
knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs. fixed)
would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical restriction on what
you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well for me. Mine
will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a problem
for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK

Rance,

without doubt i would say that the scissor type is the only way to go with the mini-lathe because the machine is so light and flexible (compared with larger and industrial types). The scissor action means that most of the forces stay in the tool and are not transferred to the spindle, bearings ,slides etc.

Although it would be a relatively easy project I would suggest that you have done and buy a small scissor knurler as I did.

The one I bought here in the UK looks amazingly like (identical even) the smaller of the ones that www.littlemachineshop.com do.

I have had mine for about 3 years and it has been fine for everything I have needed which has ranged from 3/16" lockscrew though various knobs up to 1 1/2" knobs and hammer and screwdriver shafts mainly on ally and brass. Finer knurl wheels might be preferable if you are down at 1/8" or so but all my results have been good, certainly I don't think you would be disappointed with it.

There is nothing particularly hard about knurling just align throught the centre of your work, tighten the knob, select slow speed and apply plenty of cutting oil and just tighten up and keep applying oil as you go until you get the knurl depth you need. If you are knurling a shaft just slowly traverse the carriage from end to end as you go tightening form time to time at either of the ends.

If you want an article might I suggest that you subscribe to the premium content of frank hoose's www.mini-lathe.com site which covers basic lathe operation and some neat starter project in plenty of words and pics and idealfor a newbie to the minis. I subscribed when I got my lathe 3 years since and thought it was probably one of the best $25 I have spent.

No connection with either of these sites, just pleased that they are there for us mini-lathe types.

Gerry
leeds UK

From: "rancerupp" <rupps@...>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:43:20 -0000

Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls and make my
own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the whole tool
would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm just a
beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just the 'average'
knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs. fixed)
would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical restriction on what
you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well for me. Mine
will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a problem
for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK

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Hi,

Based on an article in Model Engineers Workshop I created this spread
sheet which figures out the correct OD of what you want to knurl so that
the knurl works out.

www.pacificsun.ca/~john/ELS/photos/Knurling.xls

Just enter in the Knurl dimensions and tooth count. Then the diameter
of what you want to knurl. It then calculates what the closest diameter
is that will result in a nice finish. Turn your work to that diameter
and knurl away.

John Dammeyer


Automation Artisans Inc.

Ph. 1 250 544 4950

Hi Rance, Gerry,

The other snippet I picked up somewhere in my reading is that you
shouldn't be too timid when starting the knurl. As the initial
imprints come around again the knurl teeth need to slide into the
previous imprints. To aid that you need plenty of lube. You should
also make the OD a multiple of the knurler pitch to help the pattern
synch up. Being timid and starting really lightly is the best way to
prevent that synch-up process.

Note that's all head knowledge from my reading. I wasn't told about
these tips when I did metalwork at high school 35 years ago and I
recall I had problems with double imprints. My new scissor knurler
is somewhere over the Pacific Ocean in transit to Australia as I
type. I bought the larger LMS offering. The LMS site doesn't list
the smaller one as suiting a 7X. I'm confident it would. Chris at
LMS recommended the larger one - admitting it was his design - and I
figured it was about the same price as the smaller one by the time
you factor in the cost of the 3 sets of wheels it comes with.

Hope that's helpful,
John






--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "gerry waclawiak"
<gerrywac@...> wrote:

Rance,

without doubt i would say that the scissor type is the only way to

go with

the mini-lathe because the machine is so light and flexible

(compared with

larger and industrial types). The scissor action means that most

of the

forces stay in the tool and are not transferred to the spindle,

bearings

,slides etc.

Although it would be a relatively easy project I would suggest

that you have

done and buy a small scissor knurler as I did.

The one I bought here in the UK looks amazingly like (identical

even) the

smaller of the ones that www.littlemachineshop.com do.

I have had mine for about 3 years and it has been fine for

everything I have

needed which has ranged from 3/16" lockscrew though various knobs

up to 1

1/2" knobs and hammer and screwdriver shafts mainly on ally and

brass. Finer

knurl wheels might be preferable if you are down at 1/8" or so but

all my

results have been good, certainly I don't think you would be

disappointed

with it.

There is nothing particularly hard about knurling just align

throught the

centre of your work, tighten the knob, select slow speed and apply

plenty of

cutting oil and just tighten up and keep applying oil as you go

until you

get the knurl depth you need. If you are knurling a shaft just

slowly

traverse the carriage from end to end as you go tightening form

time to time

at either of the ends.

If you want an article might I suggest that you subscribe to the

premium

content of frank hoose's www.mini-lathe.com site which covers

basic lathe

operation and some neat starter project in plenty of words and

pics and

idealfor a newbie to the minis. I subscribed when I got my lathe 3

years

since and thought it was probably one of the best $25 I have spent.

No connection with either of these sites, just pleased that they

are there

for us mini-lathe types.

Gerry
leeds UK

From: "rancerupp" <rupps@...>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:43:20 -0000

Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls and

make my

own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the

whole tool

would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm just a
beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just the 'average'
knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs.

fixed)

would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical restriction

on what

you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well for

me. Mine

will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a

problem

for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK

_________________________________________________________________
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Usually, you sort of match the knurl to the work diameter; little
things with coarse knurling look odd. On the 7xX, the machine isn't
rigid enough to be happy with a fixed knurling tool; the scissor type
is the way to go. Along the same lines, the QC knurling holder that
comes with the HF QC toolpost set is pretty much useless. When you
put any pressure on it, it happily loosens the clamping nut,
relieving knurling pressure:-(

Roy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "rancerupp" <rupps@...> wrote:

Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls and

make my

own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the whole

tool

would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm just a
beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just the 'average'
knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs. fixed)
would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical restriction on

what

you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well for me.

Mine

will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a

problem

for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK

Hi John,

I forgot to mention the one about the diameter, and you are right that you need to crank the knob up tight to get the tool to bite and then follow the knurl.

THe smaller one does fit the 7x, I've had one for a couple of years and it works fine. I have no doubt that the slightly bigger offering from LMS will be good too and as you say when you take the other knurls into account it is still good value. You pays your money.......

regards

gerry
Leeds UK

From: "born4something" <ajs@...>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:52:44 -0000

Hi Rance, Gerry,

The other snippet I picked up somewhere in my reading is that you
shouldn't be too timid when starting the knurl. As the initial
imprints come around again the knurl teeth need to slide into the
previous imprints. To aid that you need plenty of lube. You should
also make the OD a multiple of the knurler pitch to help the pattern
synch up. Being timid and starting really lightly is the best way to
prevent that synch-up process.

Note that's all head knowledge from my reading. I wasn't told about
these tips when I did metalwork at high school 35 years ago and I
recall I had problems with double imprints. My new scissor knurler
is somewhere over the Pacific Ocean in transit to Australia as I
type. I bought the larger LMS offering. The LMS site doesn't list
the smaller one as suiting a 7X. I'm confident it would. Chris at
LMS recommended the larger one - admitting it was his design - and I
figured it was about the same price as the smaller one by the time
you factor in the cost of the 3 sets of wheels it comes with.

Hope that's helpful,
John






--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "gerry waclawiak"
<gerrywac@...> wrote:

Rance,

without doubt i would say that the scissor type is the only way to

go with

the mini-lathe because the machine is so light and flexible

(compared with

larger and industrial types). The scissor action means that most

of the

forces stay in the tool and are not transferred to the spindle,

bearings

,slides etc.

Although it would be a relatively easy project I would suggest

that you have

done and buy a small scissor knurler as I did.

The one I bought here in the UK looks amazingly like (identical

even) the

smaller of the ones that www.littlemachineshop.com do.

I have had mine for about 3 years and it has been fine for

everything I have

needed which has ranged from 3/16" lockscrew though various knobs

up to 1

1/2" knobs and hammer and screwdriver shafts mainly on ally and

brass. Finer

knurl wheels might be preferable if you are down at 1/8" or so but

all my

results have been good, certainly I don't think you would be

disappointed

with it.

There is nothing particularly hard about knurling just align

throught the

centre of your work, tighten the knob, select slow speed and apply

plenty of

cutting oil and just tighten up and keep applying oil as you go

until you

get the knurl depth you need. If you are knurling a shaft just

slowly

traverse the carriage from end to end as you go tightening form

time to time

at either of the ends.

If you want an article might I suggest that you subscribe to the

premium

content of frank hoose's www.mini-lathe.com site which covers

basic lathe

operation and some neat starter project in plenty of words and

pics and

idealfor a newbie to the minis. I subscribed when I got my lathe 3

years

since and thought it was probably one of the best $25 I have spent.

No connection with either of these sites, just pleased that they

are there

for us mini-lathe types.

Gerry
leeds UK

From: "rancerupp" <rupps@...>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:43:20 -0000

Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls and

make my

own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the

whole tool

would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm just a
beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just the 'average'
knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs.

fixed)

would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical restriction

on what

you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well for

me. Mine

will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a

problem

for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK

_________________________________________________________________
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Hi Gerry,

Thanks for confirming that bit about being assertive. Interestingly,
while LMS doesn't list the smaller tool as suitable for the 7x, they
do list the 9x as compatible. As a friend of mine would say in a
dead pan serious voice, there are some strange cattle on them there
hills.

John


--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "gerry waclawiak"
<gerrywac@...> wrote:

Hi John,

I forgot to mention the one about the diameter, and you are right

that you

need to crank the knob up tight to get the tool to bite and then

follow the

knurl.

THe smaller one does fit the 7x, I've had one for a couple of

years and it

works fine. I have no doubt that the slightly bigger offering from

LMS will

be good too and as you say when you take the other knurls into

account it is

still good value. You pays your money.......

regards

gerry
Leeds UK

From: "born4something" <ajs@...>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:52:44 -0000

Hi Rance, Gerry,

The other snippet I picked up somewhere in my reading is that you
shouldn't be too timid when starting the knurl. As the initial
imprints come around again the knurl teeth need to slide into the
previous imprints. To aid that you need plenty of lube. You should
also make the OD a multiple of the knurler pitch to help the

pattern

synch up. Being timid and starting really lightly is the best way

to

prevent that synch-up process.

Note that's all head knowledge from my reading. I wasn't told

about

these tips when I did metalwork at high school 35 years ago and I
recall I had problems with double imprints. My new scissor knurler
is somewhere over the Pacific Ocean in transit to Australia as I
type. I bought the larger LMS offering. The LMS site doesn't list
the smaller one as suiting a 7X. I'm confident it would. Chris at
LMS recommended the larger one - admitting it was his design -

and I

figured it was about the same price as the smaller one by the time
you factor in the cost of the 3 sets of wheels it comes with.

Hope that's helpful,
John






--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "gerry waclawiak"
<gerrywac@> wrote:

Rance,

without doubt i would say that the scissor type is the only

way to

go with

the mini-lathe because the machine is so light and flexible

(compared with

larger and industrial types). The scissor action means that

most

of the

forces stay in the tool and are not transferred to the spindle,

bearings

,slides etc.

Although it would be a relatively easy project I would suggest

that you have

done and buy a small scissor knurler as I did.

The one I bought here in the UK looks amazingly like (identical

even) the

smaller of the ones that www.littlemachineshop.com do.

I have had mine for about 3 years and it has been fine for

everything I have

needed which has ranged from 3/16" lockscrew though various

knobs

up to 1

1/2" knobs and hammer and screwdriver shafts mainly on ally and

brass. Finer

knurl wheels might be preferable if you are down at 1/8" or so

but

all my

results have been good, certainly I don't think you would be

disappointed

with it.

There is nothing particularly hard about knurling just align

throught the

centre of your work, tighten the knob, select slow speed and

apply

plenty of

cutting oil and just tighten up and keep applying oil as you

go

until you

get the knurl depth you need. If you are knurling a shaft just

slowly

traverse the carriage from end to end as you go tightening form

time to time

at either of the ends.

If you want an article might I suggest that you subscribe to

the

premium

content of frank hoose's www.mini-lathe.com site which covers

basic lathe

operation and some neat starter project in plenty of words and

pics and

idealfor a newbie to the minis. I subscribed when I got my

lathe 3

years

since and thought it was probably one of the best $25 I have

spent.

No connection with either of these sites, just pleased that

they

are there

for us mini-lathe types.

Gerry
leeds UK

From: "rancerupp" <rupps@>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:43:20 -0000

Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls

and

make my

own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the

whole tool

would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm just

a

beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just

the 'average'

knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs.

fixed)

would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical

restriction

on what

you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well for

me. Mine

will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a

problem

for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK

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OK, OK! The smaller knurler is now officially compatible with the mini
lathe.
When looking for the true meaning of deep questions like this, you guys
have to factor in the fallibility of LittleMachineShop.com.

Regards,
Chris Wood

LittleMachineShop.com <>
The premier source of parts and accessories for mini lathes and mini
mills.
396 W. Washington Blvd. #500, Pasadena, CA 91103
(800)981-9663 * Fax (626)797-7934


________________________________

From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of born4something
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:48 AM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying & Using a Knurler



Hi Gerry,

Thanks for confirming that bit about being assertive. Interestingly,
while LMS doesn't list the smaller tool as suitable for the 7x, they
do list the 9x as compatible. As a friend of mine would say in a
dead pan serious voice, there are some strange cattle on them there
hills.

John

--- In 7x12minilathe@...
<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com> , "gerry waclawiak"
<gerrywac@...> wrote:

Hi John,

I forgot to mention the one about the diameter, and you are right

that you

need to crank the knob up tight to get the tool to bite and then

follow the

knurl.

THe smaller one does fit the 7x, I've had one for a couple of

years and it

works fine. I have no doubt that the slightly bigger offering from

LMS will

be good too and as you say when you take the other knurls into

account it is

still good value. You pays your money.......

regards

gerry
Leeds UK

From: "born4something" <ajs@...>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:52:44 -0000

Hi Rance, Gerry,

The other snippet I picked up somewhere in my reading is that you
shouldn't be too timid when starting the knurl. As the initial
imprints come around again the knurl teeth need to slide into the
previous imprints. To aid that you need plenty of lube. You should
also make the OD a multiple of the knurler pitch to help the

pattern

synch up. Being timid and starting really lightly is the best way

to

prevent that synch-up process.

Note that's all head knowledge from my reading. I wasn't told

about

these tips when I did metalwork at high school 35 years ago and I
recall I had problems with double imprints. My new scissor knurler
is somewhere over the Pacific Ocean in transit to Australia as I
type. I bought the larger LMS offering. The LMS site doesn't list
the smaller one as suiting a 7X. I'm confident it would. Chris at
LMS recommended the larger one - admitting it was his design -

and I

figured it was about the same price as the smaller one by the time
you factor in the cost of the 3 sets of wheels it comes with.

Hope that's helpful,
John






--- In 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com> , "gerry waclawiak"

<gerrywac@> wrote:

Rance,

without doubt i would say that the scissor type is the only

way to

go with

the mini-lathe because the machine is so light and flexible

(compared with

larger and industrial types). The scissor action means that

most

of the

forces stay in the tool and are not transferred to the spindle,

bearings

,slides etc.

Although it would be a relatively easy project I would suggest

that you have

done and buy a small scissor knurler as I did.

The one I bought here in the UK looks amazingly like (identical

even) the

smaller of the ones that www.littlemachineshop.com do.

I have had mine for about 3 years and it has been fine for

everything I have

needed which has ranged from 3/16" lockscrew though various

knobs

up to 1

1/2" knobs and hammer and screwdriver shafts mainly on ally and

brass. Finer

knurl wheels might be preferable if you are down at 1/8" or so

but

all my

results have been good, certainly I don't think you would be

disappointed

with it.

There is nothing particularly hard about knurling just align

throught the

centre of your work, tighten the knob, select slow speed and

apply

plenty of

cutting oil and just tighten up and keep applying oil as you

go

until you

get the knurl depth you need. If you are knurling a shaft just

slowly

traverse the carriage from end to end as you go tightening form

time to time

at either of the ends.

If you want an article might I suggest that you subscribe to

the

premium

content of frank hoose's www.mini-lathe.com site which covers

basic lathe

operation and some neat starter project in plenty of words and

pics and

idealfor a newbie to the minis. I subscribed when I got my

lathe 3

years

since and thought it was probably one of the best $25 I have

spent.

No connection with either of these sites, just pleased that

they

are there

for us mini-lathe types.

Gerry
leeds UK

From: "rancerupp" <rupps@>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [7x12minilathe] Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:43:20 -0000

Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls

and

make my

own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the

whole tool

would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm just

a

beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just

the 'average'

knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs.

fixed)

would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical

restriction

on what

you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well for

me. Mine

will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a

problem

for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK

__________________________________________________________

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<>

Hi Chris,

Heee - I got a bite!

No offence intended 'bout the cattle. I always figured the small one
had to be compat. But what's this about LMS fallibility! I never
factored that into my thinking!

John



--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Chris Wood" <chrisw@...>
wrote:

OK, OK! The smaller knurler is now officially compatible with the

mini

lathe.
When looking for the true meaning of deep questions like this, you

guys

have to factor in the fallibility of LittleMachineShop.com.

Regards,
Chris Wood

LittleMachineShop.com <>
The premier source of parts and accessories for mini lathes and

mini

mills.
396 W. Washington Blvd. #500, Pasadena, CA 91103
(800)981-9663 * Fax (626)797-7934


________________________________

From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of born4something
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:48 AM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying & Using a Knurler



Hi Gerry,

Thanks for confirming that bit about being assertive.

Interestingly,

while LMS doesn't list the smaller tool as suitable for the 7x,

they

do list the 9x as compatible. As a friend of mine would say in a
dead pan serious voice, there are some strange cattle on them

there

hills.

John

--- In 7x12minilathe@...
<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com> , "gerry waclawiak"
<gerrywac@> wrote:

Hi John,

I forgot to mention the one about the diameter, and you are

right

that you

need to crank the knob up tight to get the tool to bite and then

follow the

knurl.

THe smaller one does fit the 7x, I've had one for a couple of

years and it

works fine. I have no doubt that the slightly bigger offering

from

LMS will

be good too and as you say when you take the other knurls into

account it is

still good value. You pays your money.......

regards

gerry
Leeds UK

From: "born4something" <ajs@>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:52:44 -0000

Hi Rance, Gerry,

The other snippet I picked up somewhere in my reading is that

you

shouldn't be too timid when starting the knurl. As the initial
imprints come around again the knurl teeth need to slide into

the

previous imprints. To aid that you need plenty of lube. You

should

also make the OD a multiple of the knurler pitch to help the

pattern

synch up. Being timid and starting really lightly is the best

way

to

prevent that synch-up process.

Note that's all head knowledge from my reading. I wasn't told

about

these tips when I did metalwork at high school 35 years ago and

I

recall I had problems with double imprints. My new scissor

knurler

is somewhere over the Pacific Ocean in transit to Australia as I
type. I bought the larger LMS offering. The LMS site doesn't

list

the smaller one as suiting a 7X. I'm confident it would. Chris

at

LMS recommended the larger one - admitting it was his design -

and I

figured it was about the same price as the smaller one by the

time

you factor in the cost of the 3 sets of wheels it comes with.

Hope that's helpful,
John






--- In 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com> , "gerry waclawiak"

<gerrywac@> wrote:

Rance,

without doubt i would say that the scissor type is the only

way to

go with

the mini-lathe because the machine is so light and flexible

(compared with

larger and industrial types). The scissor action means that

most

of the

forces stay in the tool and are not transferred to the

spindle,

bearings

,slides etc.

Although it would be a relatively easy project I would

suggest

that you have

done and buy a small scissor knurler as I did.

The one I bought here in the UK looks amazingly like

(identical

even) the

smaller of the ones that www.littlemachineshop.com do.

I have had mine for about 3 years and it has been fine for

everything I have

needed which has ranged from 3/16" lockscrew though various

knobs

up to 1

1/2" knobs and hammer and screwdriver shafts mainly on ally

and

brass. Finer

knurl wheels might be preferable if you are down at 1/8" or

so

but

all my

results have been good, certainly I don't think you would be

disappointed

with it.

There is nothing particularly hard about knurling just align

throught the

centre of your work, tighten the knob, select slow speed and

apply

plenty of

cutting oil and just tighten up and keep applying oil as you

go

until you

get the knurl depth you need. If you are knurling a shaft

just

slowly

traverse the carriage from end to end as you go tightening

form

time to time

at either of the ends.

If you want an article might I suggest that you subscribe to

the

premium

content of frank hoose's www.mini-lathe.com site which covers

basic lathe

operation and some neat starter project in plenty of words

and

pics and

idealfor a newbie to the minis. I subscribed when I got my

lathe 3

years

since and thought it was probably one of the best $25 I have

spent.

No connection with either of these sites, just pleased that

they

are there

for us mini-lathe types.

Gerry
leeds UK

From: "rancerupp" <rupps@>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [7x12minilathe] Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:43:20 -0000

Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls

and

make my

own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the

whole tool

would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm

just

a

beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just

the 'average'

knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs.

fixed)

would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical

restriction

on what

you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well

for

me. Mine

will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a

problem

for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK

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You do a good job Chris, we'll allow you a little fallibility now and then !! ;-)

Gerry
Leeds UK

From: "Chris Wood" <chrisw@...>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...
To: <7x12minilathe@...>
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:18:42 -0800

OK, OK! The smaller knurler is now officially compatible with the mini
lathe.
When looking for the true meaning of deep questions like this, you guys
have to factor in the fallibility of LittleMachineShop.com.

Regards,
Chris Wood

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mills.
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________________________________

From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of born4something
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:48 AM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying & Using a Knurler



Hi Gerry,

Thanks for confirming that bit about being assertive. Interestingly,
while LMS doesn't list the smaller tool as suitable for the 7x, they
do list the 9x as compatible. As a friend of mine would say in a
dead pan serious voice, there are some strange cattle on them there
hills.

John

--- In 7x12minilathe@...
<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com> , "gerry waclawiak"
<gerrywac@...> wrote:

Hi John,

I forgot to mention the one about the diameter, and you are right

that you

need to crank the knob up tight to get the tool to bite and then

follow the

knurl.

THe smaller one does fit the 7x, I've had one for a couple of

years and it

works fine. I have no doubt that the slightly bigger offering from

LMS will

be good too and as you say when you take the other knurls into

account it is

still good value. You pays your money.......

regards

gerry
Leeds UK

From: "born4something" <ajs@...>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:52:44 -0000

Hi Rance, Gerry,

The other snippet I picked up somewhere in my reading is that you
shouldn't be too timid when starting the knurl. As the initial
imprints come around again the knurl teeth need to slide into the
previous imprints. To aid that you need plenty of lube. You should
also make the OD a multiple of the knurler pitch to help the

pattern

synch up. Being timid and starting really lightly is the best way

to

prevent that synch-up process.

Note that's all head knowledge from my reading. I wasn't told

about

these tips when I did metalwork at high school 35 years ago and I
recall I had problems with double imprints. My new scissor knurler
is somewhere over the Pacific Ocean in transit to Australia as I
type. I bought the larger LMS offering. The LMS site doesn't list
the smaller one as suiting a 7X. I'm confident it would. Chris at
LMS recommended the larger one - admitting it was his design -

and I

figured it was about the same price as the smaller one by the time
you factor in the cost of the 3 sets of wheels it comes with.

Hope that's helpful,
John






--- In 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com> , "gerry waclawiak"

<gerrywac@> wrote:

Rance,

without doubt i would say that the scissor type is the only

way to

go with

the mini-lathe because the machine is so light and flexible

(compared with

larger and industrial types). The scissor action means that

most

of the

forces stay in the tool and are not transferred to the spindle,

bearings

,slides etc.

Although it would be a relatively easy project I would suggest

that you have

done and buy a small scissor knurler as I did.

The one I bought here in the UK looks amazingly like (identical

even) the

smaller of the ones that www.littlemachineshop.com do.

I have had mine for about 3 years and it has been fine for

everything I have

needed which has ranged from 3/16" lockscrew though various

knobs

up to 1

1/2" knobs and hammer and screwdriver shafts mainly on ally and

brass. Finer

knurl wheels might be preferable if you are down at 1/8" or so

but

all my

results have been good, certainly I don't think you would be

disappointed

with it.

There is nothing particularly hard about knurling just align

throught the

centre of your work, tighten the knob, select slow speed and

apply

plenty of

cutting oil and just tighten up and keep applying oil as you

go

until you

get the knurl depth you need. If you are knurling a shaft just

slowly

traverse the carriage from end to end as you go tightening form

time to time

at either of the ends.

If you want an article might I suggest that you subscribe to

the

premium

content of frank hoose's www.mini-lathe.com site which covers

basic lathe

operation and some neat starter project in plenty of words and

pics and

idealfor a newbie to the minis. I subscribed when I got my

lathe 3

years

since and thought it was probably one of the best $25 I have

spent.

No connection with either of these sites, just pleased that

they

are there

for us mini-lathe types.

Gerry
leeds UK

From: "rancerupp" <rupps@>
Reply-To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

To: 7x12minilathe@...

<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [7x12minilathe] Buying & Using a Knurler
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:43:20 -0000

Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls

and

make my

own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the

whole tool

would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm just

a

beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just

the 'average'

knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs.

fixed)

would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical

restriction

on what

you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well for

me. Mine

will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a

problem

for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK

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Looks like the scissor type wins out. I'll try to catch one on sale
or do the ebay thing. Once I get it in, I may consider making my 2nd
one (if further needs arise). Thanks for the input guys.


--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "rancerupp" <rupps@...> wrote:

Gerry, others,

So what should I look for in a knurler? Buy just the knurls and

make my

own mount or buy the whole tool? Seems to me that buying the whole

tool

would be best. Do I really need multiple tpi knurls? I'm just a
beginner so I can't imagine needing more than just the 'average'
knurled knob.

Any articles on how to use a knurler? Which type (sissor vs. fixed)
would be best for a beginner? Thanks.

Rance


RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Way Wear, Hard Gibs

I have the scissor type and apart from the physical restriction on

what

you can knurl due to the throat they have worked very well for me.

Mine

will take just under 2" and in reality this has not proved a

problem

for the type of stuff i do.

Gerry
leeds UK