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Re: C2 or C3 ?

 

Hi Warren,

You most likely know this, but I will say it anyway for the benefit of those that might not.
Set your tailstock as far to the right as it will go and still be able to clamp up on the bed.
Place a center in the headstock spindle and another in the tailstock. Measure between centers and that is the center distance. Basically, the longest piece that can be turned between centers.

Dick


Re: C2 or C3 ?

 

Thank you, Michael

I knew, that as a fellow MM 7 x 16 owner, I could count on you to have the lowdown as best it can be explained. I love this machine with its extra real estate to the right of the headstock. A good place to park the tailstock out of the way also.

Dick


Re: C2 or C3 ?

 

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Hello Dick,
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Here is the way I understand it.
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The Micromark 7x16 lathe was first designed by Micromark and manufactured by SIEG. Since Micromark designed it (longer bed, new for its time tailstock design, 500w brushless motor, direct drive spindle with no two speed gear box), they had an exclusive right to its manufacturing for a period of time where nobody else could order it and sell it. Once that time frame had passed, other distributors could then order and sell it under their own name as LMS did, calling it their 7x16 High Torque lathe.
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The 7x16 is not listed on the SIEG website, but the closest lathe they do show is a CS2.
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SIEG only shows it in a?300mm (12 inch) and?350mm (14 inch) variation, no 406mm (16 inch) option.
The CS2 does come with the 500w brushless direct drive motor (no two speed gear box) and new tail stock design.
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The C3 model has a 350w motor with brushes and two speed gear box, and 350mm (14 inch) between center bed length. (please no comments on how the between center dimension is contrived)
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The C2 model has a 250w brush style motor with two speed gear box, and 200mm (7.87 inch) and 300mm - 11.8 inch (12 inches???)
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Here is the link for their full line of mini lathes offerings.
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Michael - California, USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux 7x16
LMS 3990 Hi-Torque Mill with power feed



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Subject: [7x12minilathe] C2 or C3 ?

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This may seem a silly question.
I think my Micro Mark 7 x 16 is a C3 but I can't find anything in my documentation that would confirm that and I don't find any markings on the lathe bed.
How does one verify the version? I have no immediate need to know but am just curious.

Dick


Re: Reversing gear problem

 

Been there, done that....?? The shaft (46) runs in a "bearing" , the hole in the fixed cover, or drive belt cover as LMS calls it.? The shaft is frozen in the cover, and both should be replaced.?


Re: Reversing gear problem

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Thanks Warren, ?i got the Arceurotrade drawing and parts list. ?And thanks Gagetbuilder your drawings for the Dog clutch show there is a 0.270 diameter shaft inside the part #26 shaft as ?i suspected there had to be even though the expanded drawings do not show this internal shaft. ?
Apparently the grease finally dried out on this internal shaft so the part #26 shaft seized and stopped my lathe.

?Now come the fun part of getting the seized shaft off the internal shaft.


Thanks for the help
Pete McLaughlin


On Aug 2, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Warren LeMay notebook@... [7x12minilathe] <7x12minilathe@...> wrote:

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This is the same drawing I have except for the European style poser plug (and it's a better copy).

Warren L


On 8/2/2017 1:40 PM, DAVID WILLIAMS d.i.williams@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:
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Dear Pete,

????On my Arceurotrade A1 sized exploded drawing it shows the following starting at the Fixed cover:-

Desc. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Part no.

Fixed cover ? ? ? ? ????? ? ?42
Lever Quadrant ? ? ? ? ? ?36
Retaining ring 12 ? ? ? ? 22 ? ( It says there are 3 of them.I assume the 2 others in different parts of the lathe)
Gear 45T ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 45
Parallel Key 3 x 8 ? ?????47
Shaft ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?????46
Key ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????322
Mount ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????48 This seems to show a bearing as part of the shaft.
Gearwheel Z20 ? ? ? ? ? ?50 ? ?(It again says 2.?) ?I assume the other one is in another parts of the lathe - on the quadrant.)
Washer M6 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?51
Screw M6*8 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 52 ? ? (It again says 4.?I assume there are 3 others in other parts of the lathe

The 2 screws (49) holding the mount (48) in place are M5*18.

? ? Go to??This is on the Arceurotrade site in the UK. They sell Seig rather than Real Bull(?) so it should be helpful. You can blow up this drawing.

? ? Best regards,

? ? David

? ? (Nr. Oxford)



From: "Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe]" <7x12minilathe@...>
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 16:30
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Reversing gear problem

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Hi Warren
?In my manual for the 33684 model of the Harbor Freight lathe the shaft #46 goes through the 45 tooth gear part number 45 then through what looks like a washer #22 then through the quadrant plate #36 and ends in the backing plate made of pot metal where it looks like it is peaned to hold it in a fixed non rotating hold in that plate. ?The quadrant plate and 45 tooth gear should turn independently on that shaft #46.

I was hoping someone on the list could confirm this or point out the error of my observation. ?If i am right i will have to replace the shaft, gear and backing plate after i rip the existing shaft out of the backing plate which will destroy then but salvage the quadrant plate and washer.

I hate to destroy something if there is a better way to fix this seized gear.


Thanks for the help
Pete McLaughli n

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On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:08 AM, Warren LeMay notebook@... [7x12minilathe] <7x12minilathe@...> wrote:

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Pete, I dont have a 7x10 but have collected up the HF manuals and after looking at three of them, it appears that the gear in question comes off with that "brass" bearing mount (Drawing # 48 if you have the manual) that is just in front of it.? That gear seems to be mounted on a short shaft that connects it to the smaller gear in front of the retainer.? Both gears are keyed to the shaft.
I suspect what you see peened over on the back side is the pivot for the forward/reverse quadrant (Part #36 called handle mount).
I'm not even sure the gear shaft goes into the casting.
From here, it looks like it would be easy enough to pull the change gears and the mount, and see if the offending gear comes with it.
From the description you gave for the failure, my best guess would be the bearing in the mount failed.? I believe Little Machine Shop lists all of those parts.
......again, best guess from the manuals.......
Warren L


On 8/2/2017 12:39 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:
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The reversing gears on my 7x10 harbor freight lathe33684 have seized. Specifically the black 45 tooth gear shown in this picture.


Does this gear just pull off or is there a sleeve on this shaft the should come off first?

The shaft seems to be pressed into the potmetal frame behind the gear and peaned so it should not come off.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Pete McLaughlin


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Re: C2 or C3 ?

 

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Oh, and that the C2 has a DC motor and the C3 has the brush-less.

Warren L


On 8/2/2017 4:59 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.chris@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:

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Go to the Sieg web site and look up the specs on a Sieg C3 and compare to what you have.? If they match then you likely have a Sieg C3.



On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:47 PM, old_toolmaker@... [7x12minilathe] <7x12minilathe@...> wrote:
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This may seem a silly question.
I think my Micro Mark 7 x 16 is a C3 but I can't find anything in my documentation that would confirm that and I don't find any markings on the lathe bed.
How does one verify the version? I have no immediate need to know but am just curious.

Dick




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And while we're at it, and before I answer you with a rumor instead of a fact, I've heard the C2s from MM are painted red, and they switched to the gray paint on the C3.

However, I never ran that into the ground.? I bought the red one on closeout and at this time, dont even know if it is a true 14 or 16.? The manual is moot on the topic.

So many rumors, so little time Dick....
Warren L

On 8/2/2017 4:47 PM, old_toolmaker@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:

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This may seem a silly question.
I think my Micro Mark 7 x 16 is a C3 but I can't find anything in my documentation that would confirm that and I don't find any markings on the lathe bed.
How does one verify the version? I have no immediate need to know but am just curious.

Dick


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Re: C2 or C3 ?

Chris Albertson
 

Go to the Sieg web site and look up the specs on a Sieg C3 and compare to what you have.? If they match then you likely have a Sieg C3.



On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:47 PM, old_toolmaker@... [7x12minilathe] <7x12minilathe@...> wrote:
?

This may seem a silly question.
I think my Micro Mark 7 x 16 is a C3 but I can't find anything in my documentation that would confirm that and I don't find any markings on the lathe bed.
How does one verify the version? I have no immediate need to know but am just curious.

Dick




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Redondo Beach, California


C2 or C3 ?

 

This may seem a silly question.
I think my Micro Mark 7 x 16 is a C3 but I can't find anything in my documentation that would confirm that and I don't find any markings on the lathe bed.
How does one verify the version? I have no immediate need to know but am just curious.

Dick


Re: Reversing gear problem

 

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This is the same drawing I have except for the European style poser plug (and it's a better copy).

Warren L


On 8/2/2017 1:40 PM, DAVID WILLIAMS d.i.williams@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:

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Dear Pete,

????On my Arceurotrade A1 sized exploded drawing it shows the following starting at the Fixed cover:-

Desc. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Part no.

Fixed cover ? ? ? ? ????? ? ?42
Lever Quadrant ? ? ? ? ? ?36
Retaining ring 12 ? ? ? ? 22 ? ( It says there are 3 of them.I assume the 2 others in different parts of the lathe)
Gear 45T ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 45
Parallel Key 3 x 8 ? ?????47
Shaft ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?????46
Key ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????322
Mount ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????48 This seems to show a bearing as part of the shaft.
Gearwheel Z20 ? ? ? ? ? ?50 ? ?(It again says 2.?) ?I assume the other one is in another parts of the lathe - on the quadrant.)
Washer M6 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?51
Screw M6*8 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 52 ? ? (It again says 4.?I assume there are 3 others in other parts of the lathe

The 2 screws (49) holding the mount (48) in place are M5*18.

? ? Go to??This is on the Arceurotrade site in the UK. They sell Seig rather than Real Bull(?) so it should be helpful. You can blow up this drawing.

? ? Best regards,

? ? David

? ? (Nr. Oxford)



From: "Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe]" <7x12minilathe@...>
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 16:30
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Reversing gear problem

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Hi Warren
?In my manual for the 33684 model of the Harbor Freight lathe the shaft #46 goes through the 45 tooth gear part number 45 then through what looks like a washer #22 then through the quadrant plate #36 and ends in the backing plate made of pot metal where it looks like it is peaned to hold it in a fixed non rotating hold in that plate. ?The quadrant plate and 45 tooth gear should turn independently on that shaft #46.

I was hoping someone on the list could confirm this or point out the error of my observation. ?If i am right i will have to replace the shaft, gear and backing plate after i rip the existing shaft out of the backing plate which will destroy then but salvage the quadrant plate and washer.

I hate to destroy something if there is a better way to fix this seized gear.


Thanks for the help
Pete McLaughli n

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:08 AM, Warren LeMay notebook@... [7x12minilathe] <7x12minilathe@...> wrote:

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Pete, I dont have a 7x10 but have collected up the HF manuals and after looking at three of them, it appears that the gear in question comes off with that "brass" bearing mount (Drawing # 48 if you have the manual) that is just in front of it.? That gear seems to be mounted on a short shaft that connects it to the smaller gear in front of the retainer.? Both gears are keyed to the shaft.
I suspect what you see peened over on the back side is the pivot for the forward/reverse quadrant (Part #36 called handle mount).
I'm not even sure the gear shaft goes into the casting.
From here, it looks like it would be easy enough to pull the change gears and the mount, and see if the offending gear comes with it.
From the description you gave for the failure, my best guess would be the bearing in the mount failed.? I believe Little Machine Shop lists all of those parts.
......again, best guess from the manuals.......
Warren L


On 8/2/2017 12:39 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:
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The reversing gears on my 7x10 harbor freight lathe33684 have seized. Specifically the black 45 tooth gear shown in this picture.


Does this gear just pull off or is there a sleeve on this shaft the should come off first?

The shaft seems to be pressed into the potmetal frame behind the gear and peaned so it should not come off.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Pete McLaughlin


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Re: Reversing gear problem

 

As Warren says, the shaft can be removed after you take the bracket (two screws) off.? This shaft is the one that gets replaced to add a dog clutch so you may find the pictures in the description helpful, see:

John


Re: Reversing gear problem

 

Dear Pete,

????On my Arceurotrade A1 sized exploded drawing it shows the following starting at the Fixed cover:-

Desc. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Part no.

Fixed cover ? ? ? ? ????? ? ?42
Lever Quadrant ? ? ? ? ? ?36
Retaining ring 12 ? ? ? ? 22 ? ( It says there are 3 of them.I assume the 2 others in different parts of the lathe)
Gear 45T ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 45
Parallel Key 3 x 8 ? ?????47
Shaft ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?????46
Key ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????322
Mount ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????48 This seems to show a bearing as part of the shaft.
Gearwheel Z20 ? ? ? ? ? ?50 ? ?(It again says 2.?) ?I assume the other one is in another parts of the lathe - on the quadrant.)
Washer M6 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?51
Screw M6*8 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 52 ? ? (It again says 4.?I assume there are 3 others in other parts of the lathe

The 2 screws (49) holding the mount (48) in place are M5*18.

? ? Go to??This is on the Arceurotrade site in the UK. They sell Seig rather than Real Bull(?) so it should be helpful. You can blow up this drawing.

? ? Best regards,

? ? David

? ? (Nr. Oxford)



From: "Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe]" <7x12minilathe@...>
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August 2017, 16:30
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Reversing gear problem

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Hi Warren
?In my manual for the 33684 model of the Harbor Freight lathe the shaft #46 goes through the 45 tooth gear part number 45 then through what looks like a washer #22 then through the quadrant plate #36 and ends in the backing plate made of pot metal where it looks like it is peaned to hold it in a fixed non rotating hold in that plate. ?The quadrant plate and 45 tooth gear should turn independently on that shaft #46.

I was hoping someone on the list could confirm this or point out the error of my observation. ?If i am right i will have to replace the shaft, gear and backing plate after i rip the existing shaft out of the backing plate which will destroy then but salvage the quadrant plate and washer.

I hate to destroy something if there is a better way to fix this seized gear.


Thanks for the help
Pete McLaughli n


On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:08 AM, Warren LeMay notebook@... [7x12minilathe] <7x12minilathe@...> wrote:

?
Pete, I dont have a 7x10 but have collected up the HF manuals and after looking at three of them, it appears that the gear in question comes off with that "brass" bearing mount (Drawing # 48 if you have the manual) that is just in front of it.? That gear seems to be mounted on a short shaft that connects it to the smaller gear in front of the retainer.? Both gears are keyed to the shaft.
I suspect what you see peened over on the back side is the pivot for the forward/reverse quadrant (Part #36 called handle mount).
I'm not even sure the gear shaft goes into the casting.
From here, it looks like it would be easy enough to pull the change gears and the mount, and see if the offending gear comes with it.
From the description you gave for the failure, my best guess would be the bearing in the mount failed.? I believe Little Machine Shop lists all of those parts.
......again, best guess from the manuals.......
Warren L


On 8/2/2017 12:39 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:
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The reversing gears on my 7x10 harbor freight lathe33684 have seized. Specifically the black 45 tooth gear shown in this picture.


Does this gear just pull off or is there a sleeve on this shaft the should come off first?

The shaft seems to be pressed into the potmetal frame behind the gear and peaned so it should not come off.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Pete McLaughlin


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Re: Reversing gear problem

 

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OK, that didn't work - If you want the PDF, email me direct (notebook@...) and I will send the PDF by reply to.? That yahoo address is coming up invalid.

Warren L


On 8/2/2017 1:26 PM, Warren LeMay notebook@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:

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Pete, I just (attempted to anyway) sent you the exploded drawing out of my book direct to your email.? I think the peened shaft is really holding only the quadrant and the gear in question (which does NOT move with the quadrant) will come off with Part #48.

It looks to me like the idler shaft within 48 actually aligns with the quadrant pivot and may well be about the same diameter.? If you think about it, look at your drawing and see if the gears have keys (Part # 47).? It would be impossible to have Gear 45 keyed to Shaft #46 and have it peened into the housing.? It would have been seized from time of assembly.

I still suspect if you pull the change gears and pull Mount 48 (2 screws) Gear 45 will come with it and it's the mount/shaft that is stuck (Part 48 to Part 46).

If our drawings don't match, bets are off.? This same arrangement was continued in later models.? Sooo, someone (maybe Chris at LMS) could tell you if you can use the later parts to 'upgrade' the unit.

Warren L


On 8/2/2017 11:29 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:
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Hi Warren
?In my manual for the 33684 model of the Harbor Freight lathe the shaft #46 goes through the 45 tooth gear part number 45 then through what looks like a washer #22 then through the quadrant plate #36 and ends in the backing plate made of pot metal where it looks like it is peaned to hold it in a fixed non rotating hold in that plate. ?The quadrant plate and 45 tooth gear should turn independently on that shaft #46.

I was hoping someone on the list could confirm this or point out the error of my observation. ?If i am right i will have to replace the shaft, gear and backing plate after i rip the existing shaft out of the backing plate which will destroy then but salvage the quadrant plate and washer.

I hate to destroy something if there is a better way to fix this seized gear.


Thanks for the help
Pete McLaughlin


On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:08 AM, Warren LeMay notebook@... [7x12minilathe] <7x12minilathe@...> wrote:

?

Pete, I dont have a 7x10 but have collected up the HF manuals and after looking at three of them, it appears that the gear in question comes off with that "brass" bearing mount (Drawing # 48 if you have the manual) that is just in front of it.? That gear seems to be mounted on a short shaft that connects it to the smaller gear in front of the retainer.? Both gears are keyed to the shaft.

I suspect what you see peened over on the back side is the pivot for the forward/reverse quadrant (Part #36 called handle mount).

I'm not even sure the gear shaft goes into the casting.

From here, it looks like it would be easy enough to pull the change gears and the mount, and see if the offending gear comes with it.

From the description you gave for the failure, my best guess would be the bearing in the mount failed.? I believe Little Machine Shop lists all of those parts.

......again, best guess from the manuals.......

Warren L



On 8/2/2017 12:39 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:
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The reversing gears on my 7x10 harbor freight lathe33684 have seized. Specifically the black 45 tooth gear shown in this picture.


Does this gear just pull off or is there a sleeve on this shaft the should come off first?

The shaft seems to be pressed into the potmetal frame behind the gear and peaned so it should not come off.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Pete McLaughlin


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Re: Reversing gear problem

 

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Pete, I just (attempted to anyway) sent you the exploded drawing out of my book direct to your email.? I think the peened shaft is really holding only the quadrant and the gear in question (which does NOT move with the quadrant) will come off with Part #48.

It looks to me like the idler shaft within 48 actually aligns with the quadrant pivot and may well be about the same diameter.? If you think about it, look at your drawing and see if the gears have keys (Part # 47).? It would be impossible to have Gear 45 keyed to Shaft #46 and have it peened into the housing.? It would have been seized from time of assembly.

I still suspect if you pull the change gears and pull Mount 48 (2 screws) Gear 45 will come with it and it's the mount/shaft that is stuck (Part 48 to Part 46).

If our drawings don't match, bets are off.? This same arrangement was continued in later models.? Sooo, someone (maybe Chris at LMS) could tell you if you can use the later parts to 'upgrade' the unit.

Warren L


On 8/2/2017 11:29 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:

?
Hi Warren
?In my manual for the 33684 model of the Harbor Freight lathe the shaft #46 goes through the 45 tooth gear part number 45 then through what looks like a washer #22 then through the quadrant plate #36 and ends in the backing plate made of pot metal where it looks like it is peaned to hold it in a fixed non rotating hold in that plate. ?The quadrant plate and 45 tooth gear should turn independently on that shaft #46.

I was hoping someone on the list could confirm this or point out the error of my observation. ?If i am right i will have to replace the shaft, gear and backing plate after i rip the existing shaft out of the backing plate which will destroy then but salvage the quadrant plate and washer.

I hate to destroy something if there is a better way to fix this seized gear.


Thanks for the help
Pete McLaughlin


On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:08 AM, Warren LeMay notebook@... [7x12minilathe] <7x12minilathe@...> wrote:

?

Pete, I dont have a 7x10 but have collected up the HF manuals and after looking at three of them, it appears that the gear in question comes off with that "brass" bearing mount (Drawing # 48 if you have the manual) that is just in front of it.? That gear seems to be mounted on a short shaft that connects it to the smaller gear in front of the retainer.? Both gears are keyed to the shaft.

I suspect what you see peened over on the back side is the pivot for the forward/reverse quadrant (Part #36 called handle mount).

I'm not even sure the gear shaft goes into the casting.

From here, it looks like it would be easy enough to pull the change gears and the mount, and see if the offending gear comes with it.

From the description you gave for the failure, my best guess would be the bearing in the mount failed.? I believe Little Machine Shop lists all of those parts.

......again, best guess from the manuals.......

Warren L



On 8/2/2017 12:39 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:
?
The reversing gears on my 7x10 harbor freight lathe33684 have seized. Specifically the black 45 tooth gear shown in this picture.


Does this gear just pull off or is there a sleeve on this shaft the should come off first?

The shaft seems to be pressed into the potmetal frame behind the gear and peaned so it should not come off.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Pete McLaughlin


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Re: Reversing gear problem

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Hi Warren
?In my manual for the 33684 model of the Harbor Freight lathe the shaft #46 goes through the 45 tooth gear part number 45 then through what looks like a washer #22 then through the quadrant plate #36 and ends in the backing plate made of pot metal where it looks like it is peaned to hold it in a fixed non rotating hold in that plate. ?The quadrant plate and 45 tooth gear should turn independently on that shaft #46.

I was hoping someone on the list could confirm this or point out the error of my observation. ?If i am right i will have to replace the shaft, gear and backing plate after i rip the existing shaft out of the backing plate which will destroy then but salvage the quadrant plate and washer.

I hate to destroy something if there is a better way to fix this seized gear.


Thanks for the help
Pete McLaughlin


On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:08 AM, Warren LeMay notebook@... [7x12minilathe] <7x12minilathe@...> wrote:

?

Pete, I dont have a 7x10 but have collected up the HF manuals and after looking at three of them, it appears that the gear in question comes off with that "brass" bearing mount (Drawing # 48 if you have the manual) that is just in front of it.? That gear seems to be mounted on a short shaft that connects it to the smaller gear in front of the retainer.? Both gears are keyed to the shaft.

I suspect what you see peened over on the back side is the pivot for the forward/reverse quadrant (Part #36 called handle mount).

I'm not even sure the gear shaft goes into the casting.

From here, it looks like it would be easy enough to pull the change gears and the mount, and see if the offending gear comes with it.

From the description you gave for the failure, my best guess would be the bearing in the mount failed.? I believe Little Machine Shop lists all of those parts.

......again, best guess from the manuals.......

Warren L



On 8/2/2017 12:39 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:
?
The reversing gears on my 7x10 harbor freight lathe33684 have seized. Specifically the black 45 tooth gear shown in this picture.


Does this gear just pull off or is there a sleeve on this shaft the should come off first?

The shaft seems to be pressed into the potmetal frame behind the gear and peaned so it should not come off.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Pete McLaughlin


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make magazine multi-tool from a grinder

 

I just received my weekly make magazine newsletter and it has a link to?a set of videos that?Tuomas?Soikkeli made on how he turns a Bosch angle grinder into a guided cutter, chop saw, bench grinder, polisher, pipe cutter (which can handle pipe from 50-125mm diameter), circular saw, and more.


I wouldn't do it myself, but It looks pretty cool so I thought others on this list might like it.



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Pete, I dont have a 7x10 but have collected up the HF manuals and after looking at three of them, it appears that the gear in question comes off with that "brass" bearing mount (Drawing # 48 if you have the manual) that is just in front of it.? That gear seems to be mounted on a short shaft that connects it to the smaller gear in front of the retainer.? Both gears are keyed to the shaft.

I suspect what you see peened over on the back side is the pivot for the forward/reverse quadrant (Part #36 called handle mount).

I'm not even sure the gear shaft goes into the casting.

From here, it looks like it would be easy enough to pull the change gears and the mount, and see if the offending gear comes with it.

From the description you gave for the failure, my best guess would be the bearing in the mount failed.? I believe Little Machine Shop lists all of those parts.

......again, best guess from the manuals.......

Warren L



On 8/2/2017 12:39 AM, Pete Mclaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93555@... [7x12minilathe] wrote:

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The reversing gears on my 7x10 harbor freight lathe33684 have seized. Specifically the black 45 tooth gear shown in this picture.


Does this gear just pull off or is there a sleeve on this shaft the should come off first?

The shaft seems to be pressed into the potmetal frame behind the gear and peaned so it should not come off.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Pete McLaughlin


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Re: Reversing gear problem

 

The shaft should pull out of the pot metal frame easily. It sounds like that is the part that is seized. The 45 tooth gear is held in place by a external snap ring. The change gear, shaft and 45 tooth gear rotate as a unit in the pot metal frame and half moon shaped carrier. Some how your going to need to get the shaft out of the pot metal frame and smooth out the frame and the shaft so the shaft turns freely. Paul M


Reversing gear problem

Pete Mclaughlin
 

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The reversing gears on my 7x10 harbor freight lathe33684 have seized. Specifically the black 45 tooth gear shown in this picture.


Does this gear just pull off or is there a sleeve on this shaft the should come off first?

The shaft seems to be pressed into the potmetal frame behind the gear and peaned so it should not come off.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Pete McLaughlin


Re: Pics and files

 

>Yes, I assumed he just flip flopped them.

Indeed I did! Sorry about that. -though I'll probably still refer to them as "those ones you can't search"? ;-)