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Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions
Most of the out of warranty problems are with the speed controls; it's usually just a matter of replacing the power MOSFETs, there are some exceptions.
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Some of the play in the handwheels is inherent with anything that uses normal (as opposed to ball) screws. If there isn't some play, the screw can't rotate. Some of it can be eliminated/reduced; it's still up to the operator to retract farther than necessary & advance to take out the play before expecting dials to provide meaningful readings. You can buy Oilite bar stock, I don't know that it works out to be cheaper than buying bearings & modifying them. With a little google searching, it's probably possible to find the exact bushings you need, without having to machine them. Roy --- In 7x12minilathe@..., HOGWINSLOW@... wrote:
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Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions
1. Yes, no problem if you listen to the machine to figure out a reasonable depth of cut.
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2. No different than on any other engine lathe; the change gears for threading have to be installed manually - higher end lathes have quick change gear boxes that don't require as much fiddling to change gears. 3. You'll want something other than the stock 3 jaw chuck to hold the bushings. The stock chuck doesn't usually hold things concentric; it's more a function of the chuck body not being too accurate than an inherent problem with self centering chucks. The easy fix is to machine a split sleeve that grips the OD of the bushings. As long as the sleeve is in the same position relative to the chuck as when it was bored to fit the bushings they'll be concentric. Reamers aren't happy opening a diameter by 1/8"; you'll need to drill to about 39/64" before reaming. You'll have to experiment, you may need to go 1/32" under on the drill size. You do realize that a nominal 5/8" rod isn't going to make a usable fit in a nominal 5/8" hole - somewhere, one of the dimensions needs to be a few thousandths different to make a running fit. 4. It's possible to do some light milling with a lathe; it's also possible to gargle peanut butter;-) If there's any other approach, it'll be more pleasant. Look at other vendors - most of them offer a 7x12, which is actually a 7x14 when it's measured from the face of the HS. That extra 4" makes a big difference when using real world drill bits held in the TS. Roy --- In 7x12minilathe@..., HOGWINSLOW@... wrote:
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Re: Drill Rod
No x 3!
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Drill rod comes in 3 common types; water, air & oil hardening. They're all basically high carbon steel with various other alloying elements that affect hardening & toughness. Here are some descriptions: Roy --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Exibar" <exibar@...> wrote:
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Re: Pipe threading on a mini lathe ?
You need a taper attachment to cut a truly accurate tapered thread. Considering their uses, that's almost an oxymoron! Without a taper attachment, the work-around is to cut a stepped thread & refine it into a tapered thread either by finishing it with a pipe die or lots of fiddling with thread files.
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Re: Digest Number 5845
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYes, I see it's gone now. But there are still lots of many different
parts 3D modeled. There is a lot of different CNC models, routers, lathes,
mills, etc. Some of the brackets/motors/parts are universal.
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4aRe: CNC MINI LATHE 3D MODELTue Nov?6,?2012 7:33?am (PST) . Posted by:"WAM" ajawamnetThe
mini lathe 3D model I used for the basis of my mods is from Drew over at . It's well worth the $20.00 pay pal; saved me uncountless hours having to do it all myself. He did an amazing job. Nutz dead on (as well as you can get with the tolerances in CN manufacture) Someone loaded it up on Grabcad a while back but it got pulled since they didn't have the rights to it. It's a 7X10 but I was able to break it apart, stretch it, and and make a LMS sized 7x12.. He'll export it out of Solidworks in any format you need. I got the STEP even tho I own/use Solidworks. Lot less stuff in the feature tree... Armilite@aol. >Hello: > >New to this list. > >Something you may all be interested in, is a free 3D model on >_www.Grabcad. ? |
Re: Retainer, cross slide screw (metric)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýSee if these look like what you have:DWG - ACAD2000: You can get the 3D models from gerry waclawiak wrote: Hi Stefan, bit of a misunderstanding there! That looks to be exactly the same as the one on my metric lathe. That has the "universal" 0.025mm/0.001" marking as well What dimensions is it you are looking for? Gerry W Leeds UK ________________________________To: 7x12minilathe@... From: stkovac@... Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:07:02 +0000 Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Retainer, cross slide screw (metric) sorry friends, I was talking about this part --- In 7x12minilathe@..., gerry waclawiak wrote: > > > I did wonder what Stefan meant by this, many folk refer to them as knucklebusters for obvious reasons. A button head screw is a good replacement but I just changed them for relatively easily obtainable normal hex head screws with the heads shaved down in the lathe to 1/16" or so > > Gerry W > Leeds UK > > _______________________________ > > To: 7x12minilathe@... > > From: andyf.1108@... > > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:16:39 +0000 > > Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Retainer, cross slide screw (metric) > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > This is the original part: > > < > > > > >. > > As you can see, it is a standard M5 socket capscrew, with a threaded > > section 8mm long. The modification is simply to replace it with a a > > similar screw, but with a domed or "button" head, so your fingers don't > > catch on it when using the cross slide. > > > > Andy > > > > --- In > > 7x12minilathe@..., > > "Stefan" wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > do any of you have drawing of this part, with metric dimensions of > > it? If you can please send it to me via email. > > > ATB > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: 7x12minilathe-digest@... 7x12minilathe-fullfeatured@... <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 7x12minilathe-unsubscribe@... <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: |
Re: Retainer, cross slide screw (metric)
Hi Stefan,
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bit of a misunderstanding there! That looks to be exactly the same as the one on my metric lathe. That has the "universal" 0.025mm/0.001" marking as well What dimensions is it you are looking for? Gerry W Leeds UK ________________________________ To: 7x12minilathe@... |
Re: Pipe threading on a mini lathe ?
I think a taper turning attachment is the only practicable way, short of CNC, of getting the threading tool to follow the taper of the workpiece.
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I think the taper angle is 1/16" per inch measured across the diameter for all NPT threads, so the attachment could be constructed at a fixed angle of 1/32" per inch (measured accross the radius) only, without the complications involved in making it adjustable. Andy --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "olduhfguy" <phbrush@...> wrote:
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Re: Retainer, cross slide screw (metric)
sorry friends,
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I was talking about this part --- In 7x12minilathe@..., gerry waclawiak <gerrywac@...> wrote:
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Re: Drill Rod
MERTON B BAKER
CRS is just low carbon steel. Drill rod is a hi carbon hardenable alloy
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some intended to quench in water, some in oil, and some just in air. Read the printing on the label to find out which. Or, when you buy the stuff specify what you want. Mert -----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of Jerry Durand Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 1:14 PM To: 7x12minilathe@... Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Drill Rod On 11/8/2012 9:54 AM, Exibar wrote: Is drill rod just basically cold rolled steel that's made to bettertolerances? bit blanks to make drill bits from right? Drill rod can be hardened, you buy it in various grades such as O-1 (oil hardening) or W-1 (water hardening). It's decent but not super precision tolerance. Good deal for the low cost. Note, you don't HAVE to harden it, but that's the intent. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions
Boring out doesn't work on all of the 3" chucks it can destroy the drive pinions on some
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Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions
John Mattis
I bored out my 3 inch chuck to a tad over 0.750 so I could pass that size stock through. Not hard to do, but you must disassemble the chuck to clean out the chips. John From: gerry waclawiak To: "7x12minilathe@..." <7x12minilathe@...> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions Hi Bob the spindle pass through on the 7x lathes is actually quite generous, many similar size lathes have less or none. It is comparable to that on the larger 9x18 or 2o" bed hobby lathes considered by some as the next step up from the 7x minis. On most of the 3" chucks the pass through of the chuck body is smaller than that available on the spindle and a larger chuck is required to take advantage (although some people have modified the 3" body) Gerry W Leeds UK ________________________________ > To: 7x12minilathe@... > From: rmalsbury@... > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:48:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions >? >? >? > One thing no one has mentioned is that you can easily put a 1"piece in > the jaws, you cannot slide a 1" piece through the spindle. >? > Bob >? >? >? ??? ??? ??? ? ??? ??? ? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: ? ? <*> Your email settings: ? ? Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: ? ? ? ? (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: ? ? 7x12minilathe-digest@... ? ? 7x12minilathe-fullfeatured@... <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ? ? 7x12minilathe-unsubscribe@... <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: ? ? |
Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions
Hi Bob
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the spindle pass through on the 7x lathes is actually quite generous, many similar size lathes have less or none. It is comparable to that on the larger 9x18 or 2o" bed hobby lathes considered by some as the next step up from the 7x minis. On most of the 3" chucks the pass through of the chuck body is smaller than that available on the spindle and a larger chuck is required to take advantage (although some people have modified the 3" body) Gerry W Leeds UK ________________________________ To: 7x12minilathe@... |
Re: Retainer, cross slide screw (metric)
I did wonder what Stefan meant by this, many folk refer to them as knucklebusters for obvious reasons. A button head screw is a good replacement but I just changed them for relatively easily obtainable normal hex head screws with the heads shaved down in the lathe to 1/16" or so
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Re: Retainer, cross slide screw (metric)
Hi Stefan,
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This is the original part: < >. As you can see, it is a standard M5 socket capscrew, with a threaded section 8mm long. The modification is simply to replace it with a a similar screw, but with a domed or "button" head, so your fingers don't catch on it when using the cross slide. Andy --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Stefan" <stkovac@...> wrote:
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Re: Drill Rod
Mike,
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Drill is not the same as cold rolled steel. Drill rod is a high carbon steel capable of being hardened by heat treating. It usually is available in three foot lengths and is designated as O-1 (oil hardening), W-1 (water hardening) and also air hardening. Drill rod is centerless ground close to the designated size and is readilly machined using standard high speed tooling.Drill blanks are usually made from High Speed steel, hardened and ground and too hard to machine with standard tooling. Dick --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Exibar" <exibar@...> wrote:
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Re: Drill Rod
Jerry Durand
On 11/8/2012 9:54 AM, Exibar wrote:
Is drill rod just basically cold rolled steel that's made to better tolerances?Drill rod can be hardened, you buy it in various grades such as O-1 (oil hardening) or W-1 (water hardening). It's decent but not super precision tolerance. Good deal for the low cost. Note, you don't HAVE to harden it, but that's the intent. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand |
Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions
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I have a RB also and agree with Mert I also think that they are a little better built and they have oil ports on the LS tailstock and saddle and the motor is more powerful than the most basic Sieg The later ones also come with a larger more rigid tailstock with lever lock and the current ones come with a modified spindle fitted with a 4" 3 jaw chuck that has a bigger pass through on the spindle all as standard I believe they are rather more difficult to find in the US compared to the Siegs Gerry W Leeds UK To: 7x12minilathe@... From: mertbaker@... Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:44:14 -0500 Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions ?
The Real Bull 7x has a few more features than the SIEG ones. I have one and find the performance is about the same, but the SIEG lacks the way wipers and the more convenient (for modification) RH end of the LS. The carriage is heavier on the RB, but this makes it a little less convenient if you want to turn a 7" flywheel. Tossup. They're still bargains. Mert -----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of HOGWINSLOW@... Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:02 AM To: 7x12minilathe@... Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions Thanks for all the help. I didn't expect to see answers so quickly. You've convinced me to buy the longer model lathe. I think the shorter one will work fine for me now but in the future I'll want more. Now more questions- I've read that all the 7x lathes are the same. Different sellers have different warantys and different extras that come with the lathe. But their all the same machine. Do you agree? Is HF the best deal with 20% off coupon? I've read about out of the box problems and soon after the waranty ends problems. Like the lathe quit and won't run problems. Have you seen this? Is it usally a easy fix or major problem? Maybe 1 out of 100 or 1 out of 100,000? My thought here is that someone that is unhappy is more likely to give a negative review before a happy customer will say something good. I played with a lathe in the HF store and was turned off by the play in the wheels. I'm sure their not called wheels but the cranks maybe. Anyway they seemed to have excesive play. Is that adjustable? I can see that driving me nuts in the future. Can I buy oil-lite material to turn my own bushings from scratch? Do you have a source? It seems that the accuracy would be better than me trying re-work an existing bushing. Thanks again guys. All your answers very informative. Tom --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "MERTON B BAKER" wrote: > > The 7x10 will easily handle any of the chores on your list. You will not be > able to take off the full 1/8" in one pass, though. With skill and a sharp > toolbit, you may do it in 2 passes, but 3 is more realistic. This is not a > very big machine. Setting up for threading is a chore, because you have to > manually change the gear wheels for the thread pitch. I don't use any of my > 7xs for threading, because I'm lazy and have a 12x36 with a quick change LS > gearbox on it, & use that one. > > If your work can be done in the limited space between the face of the > chuck and the TS center, (8" on the 7x10), you'll be pleased with this > lathe. However, the 7x"12" has 4" more room, and is thus a great deal more > useful, if you ever have a need to turn longer stuff. Not that much > difference in price. This version is 4" longer than the 7x10 and weighs > abut 20# more. Portability is not a problem if you are fairly husky, > though. > > I bought my 7x10 in the early 80s, and started using it in right-out-of-box > condition, after wiping the preservative off the ways. I shortly found the > gib on the top slide needed adjustment and did this, then the cross slide > one needed the same thing, so I did that too. This sort of stuff will need > to be done on any new machine. Later, I found the detents for the FNR lever > for the LS were slightly mislocated and re-drilled them. I bought the four > 7xs I have years ago, and the most I paid was $400 for that last one, a > 7x12, which came with ALL the factory accessories then offered. The others > were #300, or less. My 7x10 was $275 with free shipping on sale, I think. > I bought it entirely out of curiosity, and got a very pleasant surprise on > first trying it out. Even at today's price, it's a bargain, I believe, but > the 7x"12" is a bigger one. My experience. > > Mert > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 7x12minilathe@... > [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of HOGWINSLOW@... > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 8:55 PM > To: 7x12minilathe@... > Subject: [7x12minilathe] Looking at buying the 7" x 10" w/ Questions > > > So I've decided on the HF 7" x 10" lathe. For the longest time I was > leaning toward the Tiag Lathe. But my Grandfather left me his tools and > most of them will work better with the HF. The Taig uses 1/4" tooling and > the HF uses 5/16". He left me a bunch of 5/16" tool steel. Also all the > drill chucks and centers he left me are all M-2 so they will fit the M-2 > tailstock. But I have a few questions- > > > > 1. I want to turn a 1" diameter piece of steel to 5/8". Will the HF handle > this? I've read that it slows down when turn steel. Are those people just > tring to cut to much at once? > > 2. Once at 5/8" I need to thread it. Is the threading feature easy to use > on the HF lathe? > > 3. I need to re-work some oil-lite bushings. The outer diameter of the > bushings I buy is correct. But the inside needs to be bored from 1/2" to > 5/8". Will the HF handle this within the accuracy needed for bushings? > Would I be better of using a small boring bar or a 5/8" reamer (I happen to > have one). The flange on the bushings also needs to be thinned but I'm sure > that's easy enough. > > 4. I sometimes need to to take two slices from opposites sides of a round > bar to be able to put a wrench on them. I've read that it's possible to > chuck a end mill in the lathe and do slight milling. Do you feel this would > be an option or is it wish full thinking? > > 5. I see a Prep Guide in the link section. Is this what's used to make all > the initial adjustments when I first use it. From what I read I'll need to > do a lot of tweeking to get it right. > > > > Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance, > > Tom > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
Pipe threading on a mini lathe ?
olduhfguy
I have seen a couple of articles on a taper turning attachment for a mini lathe. It appears the makers are using it primarily to make Morse taper shanks. Is this the only acceptable way to cut tapered (NPT) pipe threads ? If that is the case I would be better off to stick with machines that are designed to cut pipe threads, but I thought I would ask since the quality that comes out of most threading machines leaves something to be desired by machinists standards. Thanks !
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