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Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 02:36 PM, MZ Rider wrote:
Then I hand wound the carriage and what a racket. Short story the half nut was catching on the thread. Also when the nut was closed the lead screw obviously bent towards the front!
There's another other adjustment that affects the half nut/lead screw alignment.? There are two bolts that attach the apron to the saddle.? They fit into slots, so the procedure is to run the carriage to the right as far as it will go, engage the half nuts then in addition to loosening/tightening the LS bearing bracket you loosen/tighten the two bolts on the saddle so the apron is free to reposition itself to remove any force due to misalignment.

If you think about it, these two adjustment points make sense -- the bearing bracket can't adjust toward/away from the operator, and the apron can't be adjusted up and down because they're constrained by how they mount to the lathe.? But the combination of the two gives you some adjustment in both dimensions.

I had an alignment problem that turned out to be caused by crappy saddle bolts -- the underside of each head was rounded so they always just settled back down into their previous location in the slot, despite anything I did.? ?Replacing them with good bolts made a night and day difference.? I had thought the slots were poorly machined and was ready to work them over with my mill but that turned out to be unnecessary.

Mark


Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

Ok, so the apron bolt holes were not oblong a bit ? Mine were. So I could match up the apron and leadscrew. It took a bit of fiddling till I got it right. But for sure, the whole apron and leadscrew mess took up a huge amount of time. The biggest help was enlarging the holes so that things could be adjusted better than what was provided. The absolute junk, and I mean junk that they called the leadscrew bearings still leaves a very bad taste in my mouth towards the manufacturer. While I was struggling with things half way through, I was looking at pictures of lathes and then I noticed that most bearings looked machined and finished. Mine looked like clumps of metal. No machining except for the hole for the leadscrew.? I had to hand file both bearings so that everything lined up properly and straight when the bolts were tightened. So with that I was able to go back and forth on the leadscrew alignment and the apron to get things properly aligned. Leadscrew turns easily by fingers, the halfnuts clamp down with all threads fully engaging without jamming or moving the leadscrew at any position. I did this with the gear removed so that I could feel everything. Again, now it turns smoothly and freely.

george

On Monday, April 4, 2022, 01:33:29 AM PDT, MZ Rider <mztraveller@...> wrote:


There is no way of adjusting the split nut I an see. The lever arm and the disc with the two pegs for lock and unlock is all that is there. I thinking filing the top holes the screws fixing the apron to the saddle go through so the apron came forward a little bit sorted the bending of the lead screw out.

Obviously the basic model is very basic. At least i knew what i was probably getting into and if the small problems i have encountered are all that there are it will certainly do for me.


Re: Turning Brass and Aluminum on a 7x14

 

So long as the material between jaw and material is the same on all three it is just convenience. I suspect most use drink can aluminium or tinplate.


Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

There is no way of adjusting the split nut I an see. The lever arm and the disc with the two pegs for lock and unlock is all that is there. I thinking filing the top holes the screws fixing the apron to the saddle go through so the apron came forward a little bit sorted the bending of the lead screw out.

Obviously the basic model is very basic. At least i knew what i was probably getting into and if the small problems i have encountered are all that there are it will certainly do for me.


Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

It was the technique I used on my last machine. I will keep an eye on it. Actually pushing the locking lever away from the user rather than to the side actually seems a better way; early days still so time will tell.


Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

Yes, the one on the right. I guessed where it went but had not realised it was reversing the lead screw. I might have made a LH thread on a lathe when I first learnt over 50 years ago but have never bothered since! Thanks for the info, I had no idea what was for.


Re: Report on Vevor 7x14 $500 CAD delivered - Impulse buy....

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 03:18 AM, <j_r_abercrombie@...> wrote:
The headstock bearings are one of the things that seem to be perfectly OK on the Vevor
That's enough information for me, many thanks!


Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

Dont yours have an adjusting screw for how tight the half nuts tighten on the lead screw ? Mine does and it took just a slight bit of turn to prevent the half nuts from grabbing the lead screw. Or am I missing something ?

george

On Sunday, April 3, 2022, 10:04:56 PM PDT, j_r_abercrombie via groups.io <j_r_abercrombie@...> wrote:


On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:36 AM, MZ Rider wrote:
Using the bench grinder ground a bit off the edge of the half nuts. This seemed to reduce the catching but not the thread bending? as much. So the two holes through which the front of the saddle is fixed to the bed were filed a bit on the front side. The idea being it brings the front element forwards a bit. It worked. Now no more catching and no bending of lead screw.
I'll try that idea of hitting the edges with the grinder; thanks. Mine isn't making a lot of noise but is still a bit prone to 'catching' when the lever is turned down.


Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:36 AM, MZ Rider wrote:
For facing I brought the tail stock up to the saddle and locked it in place.
You are lucky your tailstock doesn't slip. It's an ongoing problem for my lathe.


Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:36 AM, MZ Rider wrote:
Using a brazed carbide tipped tool. Cannot say I like them but at least it is good enough to test it with.
Exactly - use what you have to get going is one of my mottos. :)? I've been using HSS tools and I think they work better with light cuts compared to the carbide tools I have. I bought some 'pre-ground' tools (from India) and they are OK, but it was pretty easy- and a lot cheaper- to just grind my own, using square blanks I got from China. Luckily I have a white aluminum oxide wheel in the grinder which seems to cut HSS well.


Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:36 AM, MZ Rider wrote:
Using the bench grinder ground a bit off the edge of the half nuts. This seemed to reduce the catching but not the thread bending? as much. So the two holes through which the front of the saddle is fixed to the bed were filed a bit on the front side. The idea being it brings the front element forwards a bit. It worked. Now no more catching and no bending of lead screw.
I'll try that idea of hitting the edges with the grinder; thanks. Mine isn't making a lot of noise but is still a bit prone to 'catching' when the lever is turned down.


Re: 7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 11:36 AM, MZ Rider wrote:
Then I found an odd white small plastic gear that had come out the end. Funny that as it work OK. So end off and it is a spare idler gear! I think that is what it is. There is a spot for it to screw into but it does nothing so left it off.
Is it one of these? One is for forward, one for reverse leadscrew movement. For traversing the carriage to the right, or cutting threads that 'reverse' is handy.


Re: Height of compound above ways?

 

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 05:22 PM, <j_r_abercrombie@...> wrote:
The difference might also affect the size of tools that will still be able to be set at center height.
Using the stock tool post (which is the same dimensions for the 2 lathes - the MicroLux a Sieg, the Vevor a RealBull) here's a 12mm insert tool in the Vevor.

The brass height gauge is at spindle center height.

Here's the same 12mm tool in the MicroLux:



Microlux with 8 mm insert tool in stock toolpost:


Re: New 7x12 delivered and on the bench.

 

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 05:54 PM, Roy wrote:
There's a dial indictor attachment for that!
Thanks, Roy - I didn't know about those. Actually my mini (cheap) DTI will reach almost as far into the spindle as the Starrett attachment.
Could a coaxial centering indicator be used for checking an internal Morse taper?


Re: Height of compound above ways?

 

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 06:04 PM, Michael Jablonski wrote:
At first glance most would identify the Vevor as a RealBull and the MicroMark as a Seig.
Thanks, Michael.


Re: Height of compound above ways?

 

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Your MicroMark/MicroLux lathe is a SIEG,

Your Vevor lathe looks like a RealBull clone.

There were some differences in the two lathes.

At first glance most would identify the Vevor as a RealBull and the MicroMark as a Seig.

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Subject: [7x12MiniLathe] Height of compound above ways?

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Compound slide height above ways: I thought I would be able to swap tools in their QCTP holders between my Microlux 7x14 and my Vevor 7x14. Surprise!
The height to the top of the compound slide is different on the two lathes; though the spindle center height above the ways is the same.
On the Vevor the top of the compound is about 3.5 mm lower than on the MicroLux. (71mm vs 74.5mm)
The reduction is in the compound slide top and base.
So we're not dealing with exact 'clones' even though it looks like the basic castings are very similar on different machines.
Do other brands/ variants have different heights?

I haven't checked yet, but I think this means that the parting tool holders with the sloping 'ramp' might be usable on the Vevor, while the one that came in the 'set' with the tool post isn't usable on my Microlux. I had to order a 'straight' holder from LittleMachineShop.
The difference might also affect the size of tools that will still be able to be set at center height.


Re: New 7x12 delivered and on the bench.

 

There's a dial indictor attachment for that!

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Roy


Height of compound above ways?

 

Compound slide height above ways: I thought I would be able to swap tools in their QCTP holders between my Microlux 7x14 and my Vevor 7x14. Surprise!
The height to the top of the compound slide is different on the two lathes; though the spindle center height above the ways is the same.
On the Vevor the top of the compound is about 3.5 mm lower than on the MicroLux. (71mm vs 74.5mm)
The reduction is in the compound slide top and base.
So we're not dealing with exact 'clones' even though it looks like the basic castings are very similar on different machines.
Do other brands/ variants have different heights?
I haven't checked yet, but I think this means that the parting tool holders with the sloping 'ramp' might be usable on the Vevor, while the one that came in the 'set' with the tool post isn't usable on my Microlux. I had to order a 'straight' holder from LittleMachineShop.
The difference might also affect the size of tools that will still be able to be set at center height.


Re: Report on Vevor 7x14 $500 CAD delivered - Impulse buy....

 

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 10:03 AM, Mark Kimball wrote:
Pulling the bearings would be the most definitive way to tell but that's pretty extreme.
Mark- Thanks for that info and ideas about checking the type of bearings in the Vevor. As you say, there's no easy way to get a definitive answer.
I'm quite curious by nature, but even for me there's a limit! :)
The headstock bearings are one of the things that seem to be perfectly OK on the Vevor, so I'm going to work through the list of 'fixit' things, bit by bit.
I need one of those shop signs as a constant reminder: "If it ain't broke, I'll fix it till it is!" :)


Re: Report on Vevor 7x14 $500 CAD delivered - Impulse buy....

 

My piece of lexan was thick enough that I could take a hair off so the shaft would fit. A gear was sticking up a tad also but since it did nothing on the part sticking up I just sanded it down till it fit properly. It may rub a tad but no biggy. Gressed it up and it's all been good. That whole saddle and half nut issue is a real dozy. but after 4 or 5 tries and little mods and adj I finally got the big picture and went at it. Now everything works smoothly. Just had to file, sand and in general make things work as they should. What a great pleasure when things come together and work so smoothly. Still have to work on gib locks but no biggy.

george

On Sunday, April 3, 2022, 09:58:20 AM PDT, Jacques Savard <jacquessavard@...>?

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George- I do have some 1/8 Lexan but this plastic was easier to cut. I didn't see the point of apron covers until the carriage on my Microlux jammed for a few seconds in the middle of a cut, due to swarf. It was the worst possible combination: uncovered gears and a novice (me) adding grease to them, creating a haven for swarf. At least the Vevor gears'shafts were better machined so they sit below the edge of the casting and I could use a flat cover. On the Microlux I had to add an extra piece of plastic around the perimeter to raise the cover away from the gears.