I have very little experience with brass, but isn't it famous for chatter if the cutting tool doesn't have NO top rake? In other words, the top of the cutting tool should be completely flat lengthwise? It sounds more like you have a problem with the tool. I'd try chucking up a scrap piece of mild steel and see if you still have chatter when turning that. If there's no problem, then it's probably tool geometry. Good luck! Charlie --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "John Best" wrote:
Try changing cutting bits?
From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of William McBride
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:11 PM
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Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: chatter
thanks John,Roy,Michael, The tool is on center I use a quick change tool post I am cutting 1" brass it is now chattering on all cuts not only tapers even if I take off say .005 on a side as for rpm I don't know I have no spindle tach. I tried speeding up the spindle got worse.
Bill
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From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of William McBride
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: chatter? ? thanks John,Roy,Michael, The tool is on center I use a quick change tool post I am cutting 1" brass it is now chattering on all cuts not only tapers even if I take off say .005 on a side as for rpm I don't know I have no spindle tach. I tried speeding up the spindle got worse.
Bill
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thanks John,Roy,Michael, The tool is on center I use a quick change tool post I am cutting 1" brass it is now chattering on all cuts not only tapers even if I take off say .005 on a side as for rpm I don't know I have no spindle tach. I tried speeding up the spindle got worse.
Bill
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Hi Bill, The problem began when you got into a taper??? Hmmm.? Well, I wouldn¡¯t go straight for the gibs.? I¡¯d look at the tool geometry, that it¡¯s set on the centerline, your cutting speed and the depth of cut to make sure all that¡¯s reasonable for the metal you¡¯re cutting.?? For reference, let¡¯s have your metal and the diameter you¡¯re turning, then we can get the feeds and speeds out of the way.? When you mentioned the taper, I thought about depth of cut varying, which started me thinking ¡®back to basics¡¯. ? By the way, I have had a Micromark 7x14 for almost 5 years now.? Not too much tune-up was required, though I did find a QCTP (Quick Change Tool Post) let me get the tools set a lot faster than shimming them.? That¡¯s where my money is at present (with the scant data at hand), that you¡¯re cutting below center.? ? John B ?
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:29 PM
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Subject: [7x12minilathe] chatter? ? Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
Bill
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Look at the underside of the bed; there are sometimes globs of paint that have to be removed to provide a clean path for the slide plates to travel. If that's not a problem, the easy way to adjust the slide plates is with the lathe off its base, turned upside down! Personally, I don't think the clamp/jack screw arrangement scales down well from larger machines - I used shims & eliminated the jack screws.
If you want to keep the clamp/jack screw arrangement, use the clamp screws to make the carriage slightly stiff to slide. Then, use the jack screws to slightly free it up. You'll need to be careful; the slide plates are brittle, too much jack screw pressure can fracture them. (That's why I went with shims.) The theory is that the jack screws provide enough force to keep both sets of screws from vibrating loose.
Check your tool height; a tool that's a little high will chatter.
Roy
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Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
Bill
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Those
set screws with the lock nuts are factory set, which means nothing depending on
who set them at the factory.
Mine
were set correctly so I never needed to adjust them.
?
If
when?you?lift up on the front and rear of the carriage and it does not
move, but the carriage can still slide the entire length of the bed freely, then
the carriage is probably adjusted correctly.
?
What
you did was not a mistake, just a little extra learning experience.
Michael - USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux
7x16
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I have already changed the set screws with the lock nuts trying to get down
to the 1 mil gap is that .001 inch? I have about .008 gap at front of saddle
maybe .005 at back. I gave up spent a few hrs working on it needed to quit for
tonight.The saddle moves very nicely seems to have no play haven't tried a cut
yet. Did I make a mistake touching the set screws its very frustrating to
adjust.
Bill
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I have already changed the set screws with the lock nuts trying to get down to the 1 mil gap is that .001 inch? I have about .008 gap at front of saddle maybe .005 at back. I gave up spent a few hrs working on it needed to quit for tonight.The saddle moves very nicely seems to have no play haven't tried a cut yet. Did I make a mistake touching the set screws its very frustrating to adjust.
Bill
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Re: Hello from Yellowknife
yea..
machspace wrote:
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@ajawamnet
Thanks for the information. You have the LMS 7x12 you mean?
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., WAM wrote:
More of a Brushless DC motor than a stepper... it's bottom speed is 50RPM.
BLDC:
The Craftex is what Engineman uses:
He has he 9516 model... and he turns amazing work with that and a Taig lathe and mill.
More the crafstman than the tools me thinks...
I have the LMS with the BLDC - very nice.
Robert Furmanak wrote:
The Craftex looks like a Seig. Essentially the same machine as a Harbor
Freight, Mico Mark, Grizzly, and Little Machine Shop (which has a much more
powerful motor than the others.)
Yes, it will run at 20 RPM, but the torque is minimal. If that is a
concern, get the LMS. Or get a 7x14 or 7x16. They all have motors at
least 50 percent more powerful than the 7x10's or 12's. Typically 500 watts
vs. 300 in the Craftex. The LMS uses a stepper motor which is much better
at low RPM's Probably more amenable to CNC'ing, as well
Overall, they are great starter lathes, and capable of reasonable precision.
I have modified mine considerably, and as such, have not yet outgrown it.
While I have not CNC'd mine, I have put a DRO on it.
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Hey guys,
I'm about to purchase my first lathe, a mini-lathe, and hoping for a little
guidance. I will be using the lathe for some learning and R&D in my home
shop.
I was initially seeking a 7x12 lathe. However, recently I began looking for
an 8x12 or 8x14 mini-lathe, as I read that they are better (more solid,
accurate, etc.) than the 7x? and 9x? series lathes. I have no clue whether
that's true. I'm finding it hard to find a selection of Canadian suppliers
of 8x? units. So, now I am back to considering the 7x12 once again.
So, a few questions:
1. Is the Craftex CX704 lathe considered a good one in the 7x12 size?
2. When the 7x12 indicates 0-1100 and 0-2500 spindle speeds, can the lathe
actually operate at speeds as low as 20 RPM say? If so, why cannot the 10x22
model do the same (specs indicate low ranges of 100 and 200 RPM)
3. Is the 7x12 easily CNC-able? Any idea of the cost & effort to do so?
(I've already built a CNC machine, so I'm very familiar with the much of the
fundamentals, G-code, stepper, controller, SolidWorks, etc.)
4. Does this seem like a good starting point for somebody just learning to
use a lathe (I'm a professional engineer, 20+yrs experience, love to build
stuff, etc.)?
My limitations are the amount of floor space I wish to dedicate to the lathe
(7x12 seems great in this respect).
Any and all comments would be welcome.
Thank you!
--- In 7x12minilathe@...
, R Thompson wrote:
Hi Don,
I've gone from I don't have room for a home lathe to being on the
verge of buying a new Sherline. For what I envision doing, and that I
have more confidence in North American and European products, with a
little bit of a preference to employ people closer to home, its a good
fit.
But like you, I'll let my wife know how thrilled I'll be with this
gift from her :-) That and I'll put in some overtime and find something
for her that she wouldn't have purchased for herself, other than lathe
attachments that is. Hmmm, maybe a milling machine.
Now I have to find a source of working material at a reasonable
price.
BTW, I went to Bramalea Secondary School until 1972, were we had
machine shop in grades 9 and 10.
Ron
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 16:35 +0000, dvgraphicsca wrote:
Ron
I bought the Busy Bee CX704 lathe and the DRO kit here in Toronto on
sale at $958 CDN tax included. I have it home and cleaned up but have
not yet installed the DRO kit. I put a large bow on it to remind my
wife that it is a Christmas present from her and not a crazy impulse
purchase on my part.
It looks like a fairly easy learning curve headed my way as I
transition from my elderly Unimat DB200 that has served for 45 years
or so and will continue to do so in a reduced role.
I have made a spot for it to reside in my little shop but lack the
muscle to get it there on my own so I am keeping an eye out for
neighbours that may be attracted to short lived employment in the
moving business with a tot or two of Scotch.
Don Hamilton
---------------------------------------------------
--- In 7x12minilathe@...
, R Thompson wrote:
Thanks Roy,
I was thinking of putting off my purchase for now, maybe I should
re-think it. They have a few books of interest, I hope that someone
will continue to offer them at a reasonable price.
Sometimes resisting the impulse buying urge means a missed
opportunity. Its hard to know what to do.
While on the subject of impulse buying, BusyBee Tools, which has a
store in Edmonton (cheaper shipping to Yellowknife from there) > > >
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Hello Bill,
?
The following on adjusting the carriage gibs assumes
that you are using a properly sharpened tool bit, all the angles are
correct,?it is set to the proper height, and that the gibs on the cross
slide and compound are properly adjusted.
?
There
are six cap screws that you use to adjust the carriage gibs. Three are located
on the back side underneath the carriage. The other three are located under the
front side of the carriage but they are behind the apron. These adjustment cap
screws are pretty sensitive. On my machine, I only used my fingers to make the
cap screw adjustments. No Allen wrench was needed. If you snug them up a bit too
much,?the carriage will be too tight and will bind. If they are
too?loose, then the cap screws may vibrate out and fall onto the chip tray.
?
When I
ran into the problem of the cap screws vibrating out, I removed the carriage and
cleaned any oil out of the screw holes, and cleaned the threads on the cap
screws. Then I put a little GE silicone sealer on the threads to act as a little
thread locker. This held them from loosening up again, but made them easy to
remove or adjust again if needed.
?
One
way to gain access to the front cap screw adjusters it is to remove the apron.
This is done by removing the two large cap screws that attach it to the
carriage. Make a note, maybe?even take?picture of the location of
these cap screws for the apron before removing them. The holes are over sized to
allow for alignment adjustment. (When you reassemble try to get them close to
where they were)
?
Gently
slide the apron carefully out of the way. It?will not fall off
because?the split nut will hold it to the lead screw. If leaving the
apron on the lead screw presents a problem then you will need to remove the
right side lead screw pillow block bracket so you can slide the apron off the
lead screw. If you do this, you will have to re-align both the apron and right
side lead screw pillow block. Not a big deal.
?
Also
make sure to remove the thread dial indicator so it does not inhibit the
movement of the apron.
?
You
should now?be able to slide the carriage back and forth on the bed as you
adjust the front and rear cap screws. The carriage should slide easily without
binding, but you should not be able to feel any?slop when lifting up on the
front or rear of the carriage.
?
Don't
mess with the two set screws along with their lock nuts which are located
between the cap screws. Doing so will make for much more work. Others will tell
you remove them all together and shim the gibs but I don't think that this is
necessary on a new lathe. (Others will disagree) See section 3 of the assembly
instructions.
?
Make
sure the split nut (power feed lever) is engaged before retightening the apron
cap screws to the carriage so the apron is properly aligned. This is covered in
section 4 of the assembly instruction from
Micromark.
?
You
may also want to remove the back splash to gain easier access to the rear
carriage cap screw adjusters.
?
If the chatter continues after the carriage gibs
are adjusted, you can isolate the compound and cross slide gibs by first
tightening the compound's gibs so it is locked down. If the chatter continues
then tighten down the cross slide's gibs and see if the chatter goes
away.
Michael -
USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux
7x16
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Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light
cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a
micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty
well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having
trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I
tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than
finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to
attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I
must be doing something wrong?
Bill
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On my chatter issue the instructions refer to 1 mil gap between ways and the saddle is this .001 of an inch?
Bill
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Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
Bill
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Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Opps,
I guess you did say in the subject line that you are in Yellowknife,
Canada.
My
mistake.
Michael - USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux
7x16
?
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Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Just
another?comment for you.
?
You
don't say where you are located, but keep in mind that the 8.5x16 lathe is only
shipped via a trucking company and they cannot be shipped via UPS due to their
shipping weight. Read the Shipping notes for that lathe on the LMS website
regarding liftgate charges.
Michael - USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux
7x16
?
?
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Hey guys,
I'm about to purchase my first lathe, a
mini-lathe, and hoping for a little guidance. I will be using the lathe for
some learning and R&D in my home shop.
I was initially seeking a
7x12 lathe. However, recently I began looking for an 8x12 or 8x14 mini-lathe,
as I read that they are better (more solid, accurate, etc.) than the 7x? and
9x? series lathes. I have no clue whether that's true. I'm finding it hard to
find a selection of Canadian suppliers of 8x? units. So, now I am back to
considering the 7x12 once again.
So, a few questions:
1. Is the
Craftex CX704 lathe considered a good one in the 7x12 size?
2. When the
7x12 indicates 0-1100 and 0-2500 spindle speeds, can the lathe actually
operate at speeds as low as 20 RPM say? If so, why cannot the 10x22 model do
the same (specs indicate low ranges of 100 and 200 RPM)
3. Is the 7x12
easily CNC-able? Any idea of the cost & effort to do so? (I've already
built a CNC machine, so I'm very familiar with the much of the fundamentals,
G-code, stepper, controller, SolidWorks, etc.)
4. Does this seem like a
good starting point for somebody just learning to use a lathe (I'm a
professional engineer, 20+yrs experience, love to build stuff,
etc.)?
My limitations are the amount of floor space I wish to dedicate
to the lathe (7x12 seems great in this respect).
Any and all comments
would be welcome.
Thank
you!
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Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Since I have never seen an 8x16, I cannot give an authoritative response, which also relieves me of any conflict of interest issues!? It certainly is? a nice looking machine, however. ?
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From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of machspace
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:53 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Hello from Yellowknife? ? Hi Robert,
Thank you for your advice. I didn't know any of that. I went to LittleMachineShop.com. First, I saw their 7x12 deluxe, which has 2 DROs, one on the compound rest, the other on the cross-slide. As you said, they are 500W.
Then, also at LMS, I saw their 3536 HiTorque 81?2¡Á16 Bench Lathe, and noticed the *power cross-feed*, 1.34HP, etc. Do you think that the 8.5x16 (Sieg SC4) would be a better option than the 7x12? (Shoot, OK, given that this is a 7x12 group, that will be the last question that I'll ask about that one (hopefully I didn't break the rules on my very first day...:))
Thx!
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Robert Furmanak" wrote:
>
> The Craftex looks like a Seig. Essentially the same machine as a Harbor
> Freight, Mico Mark, Grizzly, and Little Machine Shop (which has a much more
> powerful motor than the others.)
>
>
>
> Yes, it will run at 20 RPM, but the torque is minimal. If that is a
> concern, get the LMS. Or get a 7x14 or 7x16. They all have motors at
> least 50 percent more powerful than the 7x10's or 12's. Typically 500 watts
> vs. 300 in the Craftex. The LMS uses a stepper motor which is much better
> at low RPM's Probably more amenable to CNC'ing, as well
>
>
>
> Overall, they are great starter lathes, and capable of reasonable precision.
> I have modified mine considerably, and as such, have not yet outgrown it.
> While I have not CNC'd mine, I have put a DRO on it.
>
>
>
> From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]
> On Behalf Of machspace
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:34 PM
> To: 7x12minilathe@...
> Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Hello from Yellowknife
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm about to purchase my first lathe, a mini-lathe, and hoping for a little
> guidance. I will be using the lathe for some learning and R&D in my home
> shop.
>
> I was initially seeking a 7x12 lathe. However, recently I began looking for
> an 8x12 or 8x14 mini-lathe, as I read that they are better (more solid,
> accurate, etc.) than the 7x? and 9x? series lathes. I have no clue whether
> that's true. I'm finding it hard to find a selection of Canadian suppliers
> of 8x? units. So, now I am back to considering the 7x12 once again.
>
> So, a few questions:
>
> 1. Is the Craftex CX704 lathe considered a good one in the 7x12 size?
>
> 2. When the 7x12 indicates 0-1100 and 0-2500 spindle speeds, can the lathe
> actually operate at speeds as low as 20 RPM say? If so, why cannot the 10x22
> model do the same (specs indicate low ranges of 100 and 200 RPM)
>
> 3. Is the 7x12 easily CNC-able? Any idea of the cost & effort to do so?
> (I've already built a CNC machine, so I'm very familiar with the much of the
> fundamentals, G-code, stepper, controller, SolidWorks, etc.)
>
> 4. Does this seem like a good starting point for somebody just learning to
> use a lathe (I'm a professional engineer, 20+yrs experience, love to build
> stuff, etc.)?
>
> My limitations are the amount of floor space I wish to dedicate to the lathe
> (7x12 seems great in this respect).
>
> Any and all comments would be welcome.
>
> Thank you!
>
> --- In 7x12minilathe@...
> , R Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Hi Don,
> >
> > I've gone from I don't have room for a home lathe to being on the
> > verge of buying a new Sherline. For what I envision doing, and that I
> > have more confidence in North American and European products, with a
> > little bit of a preference to employ people closer to home, its a good
> > fit.
> >
> > But like you, I'll let my wife know how thrilled I'll be with this
> > gift from her :-) That and I'll put in some overtime and find something
> > for her that she wouldn't have purchased for herself, other than lathe
> > attachments that is. Hmmm, maybe a milling machine.
> >
> > Now I have to find a source of working material at a reasonable
> > price.
> >
> > BTW, I went to Bramalea Secondary School until 1972, were we had
> > machine shop in grades 9 and 10.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 16:35 +0000, dvgraphicsca wrote:
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > I bought the Busy Bee CX704 lathe and the DRO kit here in Toronto on
> > > sale at $958 CDN tax included. I have it home and cleaned up but have
> > > not yet installed the DRO kit. I put a large bow on it to remind my
> > > wife that it is a Christmas present from her and not a crazy impulse
> > > purchase on my part.
> > >
> > > It looks like a fairly easy learning curve headed my way as I
> > > transition from my elderly Unimat DB200 that has served for 45 years
> > > or so and will continue to do so in a reduced role.
> > >
> > > I have made a spot for it to reside in my little shop but lack the
> > > muscle to get it there on my own so I am keeping an eye out for
> > > neighbours that may be attracted to short lived employment in the
> > > moving business with a tot or two of Scotch.
> > >
> > > Don Hamilton
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > --- In 7x12minilathe@...
> , R Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Roy,
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking of putting off my purchase for now, maybe I should
> > > > re-think it. They have a few books of interest, I hope that someone
> > > > will continue to offer them at a reasonable price.
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes resisting the impulse buying urge means a missed
> > > > opportunity. Its hard to know what to do.
> > > >
> > > > While on the subject of impulse buying, BusyBee Tools, which has a
> > > > store in Edmonton (cheaper shipping to Yellowknife from there) > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Hello from Yellowknife
At
$749 the Craftex CX704 is bit pricey. It is a SIEG lathe of the older
design.
?
For
$10 more you can get the LMS HiTorque 7x12
<
?>
which
has many of the newer elements all ready on it such as:
?
Powerful 500 watt DC brushless motor
?- lots of low speed
torque
?- no brushes to deal with
?- quieter
?- full
range of speeds available with the turn of the speed adjustment
potentiometer
?- no need to change gears for HI/LO
speeds
?
No
HI/LO gears
?- often made of plastic and users break them requiring
replacement
?- quieter operation without these gears
?
True
Split nut
?- has a true split nut for power feed and threading. Some
others only have a half nut with a support
?
Cam
lock tail stock
?- Allows you to lock the tail stock down, or loosen it,
with a flip of the lever
?- No searching for a wrench to tighten or
loosen the nut
?
Port
for optional Tachometer
?-The headstock has a port for an optional plug
in tachometer,
?? this tachometer can be used on a mini mill that
has the same port
?
The LMS HiTorque is very similar to the Micromark 7x16 in features, the
LMS just has a shorter bed, and its cross feed and compound?dials are
graduated in 0.001" and 0.025 mm.
?
If bed
length is important, you may also want to take a look at the Micromark
7x16.
<
?>
It is
$100 more but it is the longest 7x lathe on the market.
Michael - USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux
7x16
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Hey guys,
I'm about to purchase my first lathe, a
mini-lathe, and hoping for a little guidance. I will be using the lathe for
some learning and R&D in my home shop.
I was initially seeking a
7x12 lathe. However, recently I began looking for an 8x12 or 8x14 mini-lathe,
as I read that they are better (more solid, accurate, etc.) than the 7x? and
9x? series lathes. I have no clue whether that's true. I'm finding it hard to
find a selection of Canadian suppliers of 8x? units. So, now I am back to
considering the 7x12 once again.
So, a few questions:
1. Is the
Craftex CX704 lathe considered a good one in the 7x12 size?
2. When the
7x12 indicates 0-1100 and 0-2500 spindle speeds, can the lathe actually
operate at speeds as low as 20 RPM say? If so, why cannot the 10x22 model do
the same (specs indicate low ranges of 100 and 200 RPM)
3. Is the 7x12
easily CNC-able? Any idea of the cost & effort to do so? (I've already
built a CNC machine, so I'm very familiar with the much of the fundamentals,
G-code, stepper, controller, SolidWorks, etc.)
4. Does this seem like a
good starting point for somebody just learning to use a lathe (I'm a
professional engineer, 20+yrs experience, love to build stuff,
etc.)?
My limitations are the amount of floor space I wish to dedicate
to the lathe (7x12 seems great in this respect).
Any and all comments
would be welcome.
Thank you!
--- In 7x12minilathe@...,
R Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> I've gone from I
don't have room for a home lathe to being on the
> verge of buying a new
Sherline. For what I envision doing, and that I
> have more confidence
in North American and European products, with a
> little bit of a
preference to employ people closer to home, its a good
> fit.
>
> But like you, I'll let my wife know how thrilled I'll be with
this
> gift from her :-) That and I'll put in some overtime and find
something
> for her that she wouldn't have purchased for herself, other
than lathe
> attachments that is. Hmmm, maybe a milling machine.
>
> Now I have to find a source of working material at a
reasonable
> price.
>
> BTW, I went to Bramalea Secondary
School until 1972, were we had
> machine shop in grades 9 and
10.
>
> Ron
>
> On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 16:35 +0000,
dvgraphicsca wrote:
> >
> > Ron
> > I bought the
Busy Bee CX704 lathe and the DRO kit here in Toronto on
> > sale at
$958 CDN tax included. I have it home and cleaned up but have
> > not
yet installed the DRO kit. I put a large bow on it to remind my
> >
wife that it is a Christmas present from her and not a crazy impulse
>
> purchase on my part.
> >
> > It looks like a fairly
easy learning curve headed my way as I
> > transition from my elderly
Unimat DB200 that has served for 45 years
> > or so and will continue
to do so in a reduced role.
> >
> > I have made a spot for
it to reside in my little shop but lack the
> > muscle to get it
there on my own so I am keeping an eye out for
> > neighbours that
may be attracted to short lived employment in the
> > moving business
with a tot or two of Scotch.
> >
> > Don Hamilton
>
>
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > --- In 7x12minilathe@...,
R Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Roy,
> >
>
> > > I was thinking of putting off my purchase for now,
maybe I should
> > > re-think it. They have a few books of
interest, I hope that someone
> > > will continue to offer them at
a reasonable price.
> > >
> > > Sometimes resisting
the impulse buying urge means a missed
> > > opportunity. Its hard
to know what to do.
> > >
> > > While on the subject
of impulse buying, BusyBee Tools, which has a
> > > store in
Edmonton (cheaper shipping to Yellowknife from there) > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
|
Re: Hello from Yellowknife
@ajawamnet
Thanks for the information. You have the LMS 7x12 you mean?
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Show quoted text
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., WAM wrote:
More of a Brushless DC motor than a stepper... it's bottom speed is 50RPM.
BLDC:
The Craftex is what Engineman uses:
He has he 9516 model... and he turns amazing work with that and a Taig
lathe and mill.
More the crafstman than the tools me thinks...
I have the LMS with the BLDC - very nice.
Robert Furmanak wrote:
The Craftex looks like a Seig. Essentially the same machine as a Harbor
Freight, Mico Mark, Grizzly, and Little Machine Shop (which has a much more
powerful motor than the others.)
Yes, it will run at 20 RPM, but the torque is minimal. If that is a
concern, get the LMS. Or get a 7x14 or 7x16. They all have motors at
least 50 percent more powerful than the 7x10's or 12's. Typically 500 watts
vs. 300 in the Craftex. The LMS uses a stepper motor which is much better
at low RPM's Probably more amenable to CNC'ing, as well
Overall, they are great starter lathes, and capable of reasonable precision.
I have modified mine considerably, and as such, have not yet outgrown it.
While I have not CNC'd mine, I have put a DRO on it.
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]
On Behalf Of machspace
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Hey guys,
I'm about to purchase my first lathe, a mini-lathe, and hoping for a little
guidance. I will be using the lathe for some learning and R&D in my home
shop.
I was initially seeking a 7x12 lathe. However, recently I began looking for
an 8x12 or 8x14 mini-lathe, as I read that they are better (more solid,
accurate, etc.) than the 7x? and 9x? series lathes. I have no clue whether
that's true. I'm finding it hard to find a selection of Canadian suppliers
of 8x? units. So, now I am back to considering the 7x12 once again.
So, a few questions:
1. Is the Craftex CX704 lathe considered a good one in the 7x12 size?
2. When the 7x12 indicates 0-1100 and 0-2500 spindle speeds, can the lathe
actually operate at speeds as low as 20 RPM say? If so, why cannot the 10x22
model do the same (specs indicate low ranges of 100 and 200 RPM)
3. Is the 7x12 easily CNC-able? Any idea of the cost & effort to do so?
(I've already built a CNC machine, so I'm very familiar with the much of the
fundamentals, G-code, stepper, controller, SolidWorks, etc.)
4. Does this seem like a good starting point for somebody just learning to
use a lathe (I'm a professional engineer, 20+yrs experience, love to build
stuff, etc.)?
My limitations are the amount of floor space I wish to dedicate to the lathe
(7x12 seems great in this respect).
Any and all comments would be welcome.
Thank you!
--- In 7x12minilathe@...
, R Thompson wrote:
Hi Don,
I've gone from I don't have room for a home lathe to being on the
verge of buying a new Sherline. For what I envision doing, and that I
have more confidence in North American and European products, with a
little bit of a preference to employ people closer to home, its a good
fit.
But like you, I'll let my wife know how thrilled I'll be with this
gift from her :-) That and I'll put in some overtime and find something
for her that she wouldn't have purchased for herself, other than lathe
attachments that is. Hmmm, maybe a milling machine.
Now I have to find a source of working material at a reasonable
price.
BTW, I went to Bramalea Secondary School until 1972, were we had
machine shop in grades 9 and 10.
Ron
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 16:35 +0000, dvgraphicsca wrote:
Ron
I bought the Busy Bee CX704 lathe and the DRO kit here in Toronto on
sale at $958 CDN tax included. I have it home and cleaned up but have
not yet installed the DRO kit. I put a large bow on it to remind my
wife that it is a Christmas present from her and not a crazy impulse
purchase on my part.
It looks like a fairly easy learning curve headed my way as I
transition from my elderly Unimat DB200 that has served for 45 years
or so and will continue to do so in a reduced role.
I have made a spot for it to reside in my little shop but lack the
muscle to get it there on my own so I am keeping an eye out for
neighbours that may be attracted to short lived employment in the
moving business with a tot or two of Scotch.
Don Hamilton
---------------------------------------------------
--- In 7x12minilathe@...
, R Thompson wrote:
Thanks Roy,
I was thinking of putting off my purchase for now, maybe I should
re-think it. They have a few books of interest, I hope that someone
will continue to offer them at a reasonable price.
Sometimes resisting the impulse buying urge means a missed
opportunity. Its hard to know what to do.
While on the subject of impulse buying, BusyBee Tools, which has a
store in Edmonton (cheaper shipping to Yellowknife from there) > > >
|
Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Hi Robert,
Thank you for your advice. I didn't know any of that. I went to LittleMachineShop.com. First, I saw their 7x12 deluxe, which has 2 DROs, one on the compound rest, the other on the cross-slide. As you said, they are 500W.
Then, also at LMS, I saw their 3536 HiTorque 81⁄2¡Á16 Bench Lathe, and noticed the *power cross-feed*, 1.34HP, etc. Do you think that the 8.5x16 (Sieg SC4) would be a better option than the 7x12? (Shoot, OK, given that this is a 7x12 group, that will be the last question that I'll ask about that one (hopefully I didn't break the rules on my very first day...:))
Thx!
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Show quoted text
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Robert Furmanak" wrote:
The Craftex looks like a Seig. Essentially the same machine as a Harbor
Freight, Mico Mark, Grizzly, and Little Machine Shop (which has a much more
powerful motor than the others.)
Yes, it will run at 20 RPM, but the torque is minimal. If that is a
concern, get the LMS. Or get a 7x14 or 7x16. They all have motors at
least 50 percent more powerful than the 7x10's or 12's. Typically 500 watts
vs. 300 in the Craftex. The LMS uses a stepper motor which is much better
at low RPM's Probably more amenable to CNC'ing, as well
Overall, they are great starter lathes, and capable of reasonable precision.
I have modified mine considerably, and as such, have not yet outgrown it.
While I have not CNC'd mine, I have put a DRO on it.
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]
On Behalf Of machspace
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Hey guys,
I'm about to purchase my first lathe, a mini-lathe, and hoping for a little
guidance. I will be using the lathe for some learning and R&D in my home
shop.
I was initially seeking a 7x12 lathe. However, recently I began looking for
an 8x12 or 8x14 mini-lathe, as I read that they are better (more solid,
accurate, etc.) than the 7x? and 9x? series lathes. I have no clue whether
that's true. I'm finding it hard to find a selection of Canadian suppliers
of 8x? units. So, now I am back to considering the 7x12 once again.
So, a few questions:
1. Is the Craftex CX704 lathe considered a good one in the 7x12 size?
2. When the 7x12 indicates 0-1100 and 0-2500 spindle speeds, can the lathe
actually operate at speeds as low as 20 RPM say? If so, why cannot the 10x22
model do the same (specs indicate low ranges of 100 and 200 RPM)
3. Is the 7x12 easily CNC-able? Any idea of the cost & effort to do so?
(I've already built a CNC machine, so I'm very familiar with the much of the
fundamentals, G-code, stepper, controller, SolidWorks, etc.)
4. Does this seem like a good starting point for somebody just learning to
use a lathe (I'm a professional engineer, 20+yrs experience, love to build
stuff, etc.)?
My limitations are the amount of floor space I wish to dedicate to the lathe
(7x12 seems great in this respect).
Any and all comments would be welcome.
Thank you!
--- In 7x12minilathe@...
, R Thompson wrote:
Hi Don,
I've gone from I don't have room for a home lathe to being on the
verge of buying a new Sherline. For what I envision doing, and that I
have more confidence in North American and European products, with a
little bit of a preference to employ people closer to home, its a good
fit.
But like you, I'll let my wife know how thrilled I'll be with this
gift from her :-) That and I'll put in some overtime and find something
for her that she wouldn't have purchased for herself, other than lathe
attachments that is. Hmmm, maybe a milling machine.
Now I have to find a source of working material at a reasonable
price.
BTW, I went to Bramalea Secondary School until 1972, were we had
machine shop in grades 9 and 10.
Ron
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 16:35 +0000, dvgraphicsca wrote:
Ron
I bought the Busy Bee CX704 lathe and the DRO kit here in Toronto on
sale at $958 CDN tax included. I have it home and cleaned up but have
not yet installed the DRO kit. I put a large bow on it to remind my
wife that it is a Christmas present from her and not a crazy impulse
purchase on my part.
It looks like a fairly easy learning curve headed my way as I
transition from my elderly Unimat DB200 that has served for 45 years
or so and will continue to do so in a reduced role.
I have made a spot for it to reside in my little shop but lack the
muscle to get it there on my own so I am keeping an eye out for
neighbours that may be attracted to short lived employment in the
moving business with a tot or two of Scotch.
Don Hamilton
---------------------------------------------------
--- In 7x12minilathe@...
, R Thompson wrote:
Thanks Roy,
I was thinking of putting off my purchase for now, maybe I should
re-think it. They have a few books of interest, I hope that someone
will continue to offer them at a reasonable price.
Sometimes resisting the impulse buying urge means a missed
opportunity. Its hard to know what to do.
While on the subject of impulse buying, BusyBee Tools, which has a
store in Edmonton (cheaper shipping to Yellowknife from there) > > >
|
Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Remember, these are SMALL lathes, and turn mainly small diameters, so you
need the high end of the RPM range much more than the low end. Were I to
use my 7xs for threading, I would use the hand crank to turn the spindle.
You may find this hard to believe, but unless you have a LOT of threading
experience, you will find 20 RPM rather exciting, especially if you are
threading to a shoulder. The hand crank gives you perfect control, instant
stopping power, and high torque. When I cut threads, I use the 12x lathe,
but mainly because I'm far too lazy to swap all the change wheels on the 7X
around. Prices have doubled since I bought my machines, but the 7xs are
still easily the best buy in a small engine lathe. Expect to need to tune
them up a little, but right out of the box, they work just fine. I learned
on large old tired government surplus lathes retired when the end of WW2
took the war production pressure off, They all had slop, and we students
had to learn to deal with it. Not until I'd read a lot of books on machine
maintenance was I able to remove a lot of it. Spent a lot of time on this
after finishing the course, and returning as a "student assistant." When I
bought my first 7x10, it cost just about double what I had to pay for the
Unimat DB which was the first one metal lathe I ever owned. The 7x10 is
about 20 times the lathe that the DB is.
Mert
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-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of Robert Furmanak
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:37 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Hello from Yellowknife
The Craftex looks like a Seig. Essentially the same machine as a Harbor
Freight, Mico Mark, Grizzly, and Little Machine Shop (which has a much more
powerful motor than the others.)
Yes, it will run at 20 RPM, but the torque is minimal. If that is a
concern, get the LMS. Or get a 7x14 or 7x16. They all have motors at
least 50 percent more powerful than the 7x10's or 12's. Typically 500 watts
vs. 300 in the Craftex. The LMS uses a stepper motor which is much better
at low RPM's Probably more amenable to CNC'ing, as well
Overall, they are great starter lathes, and capable of reasonable
precision. I have modified mine considerably, and as such, have not yet
outgrown it. While I have not CNC'd mine, I have put a DRO on it.
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]
On Behalf Of machspace
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Hey guys,
I'm about to purchase my first lathe, a mini-lathe, and hoping for a
little guidance. I will be using the lathe for some learning and R&D in my
home shop.
I was initially seeking a 7x12 lathe. However, recently I began looking
for an 8x12 or 8x14 mini-lathe, as I read that they are better (more solid,
accurate, etc.) than the 7x? and 9x? series lathes. I have no clue whether
that's true. I'm finding it hard to find a selection of Canadian suppliers
of 8x? units. So, now I am back to considering the 7x12 once again.
So, a few questions:
1. Is the Craftex CX704 lathe considered a good one in the 7x12 size?
2. When the 7x12 indicates 0-1100 and 0-2500 spindle speeds, can the lathe
actually operate at speeds as low as 20 RPM say? If so, why cannot the 10x22
model do the same (specs indicate low ranges of 100 and 200 RPM)
3. Is the 7x12 easily CNC-able? Any idea of the cost & effort to do so?
(I've already built a CNC machine, so I'm very familiar with the much of the
fundamentals, G-code, stepper, controller, SolidWorks, etc.)
4. Does this seem like a good starting point for somebody just learning to
use a lathe (I'm a professional engineer, 20+yrs experience, love to build
stuff, etc.)?
My limitations are the amount of floor space I wish to dedicate to the
lathe (7x12 seems great in this respect).
Any and all comments would be welcome.
Thank you!
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., R Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> I've gone from I don't have room for a home lathe to being on the
> verge of buying a new Sherline. For what I envision doing, and that I
> have more confidence in North American and European products, with a
> little bit of a preference to employ people closer to home, its a good
> fit.
>
> But like you, I'll let my wife know how thrilled I'll be with this
> gift from her :-) That and I'll put in some overtime and find something
> for her that she wouldn't have purchased for herself, other than lathe
> attachments that is. Hmmm, maybe a milling machine.
>
> Now I have to find a source of working material at a reasonable
> price.
>
> BTW, I went to Bramalea Secondary School until 1972, were we had
> machine shop in grades 9 and 10.
>
> Ron
>
> On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 16:35 +0000, dvgraphicsca wrote:
> >
> > Ron
> > I bought the Busy Bee CX704 lathe and the DRO kit here in Toronto on
> > sale at $958 CDN tax included. I have it home and cleaned up but have
> > not yet installed the DRO kit. I put a large bow on it to remind my
> > wife that it is a Christmas present from her and not a crazy impulse
> > purchase on my part.
> >
> > It looks like a fairly easy learning curve headed my way as I
> > transition from my elderly Unimat DB200 that has served for 45 years
> > or so and will continue to do so in a reduced role.
> >
> > I have made a spot for it to reside in my little shop but lack the
> > muscle to get it there on my own so I am keeping an eye out for
> > neighbours that may be attracted to short lived employment in the
> > moving business with a tot or two of Scotch.
> >
> > Don Hamilton
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > --- In 7x12minilathe@..., R Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Roy,
> > >
> > > I was thinking of putting off my purchase for now, maybe I should
> > > re-think it. They have a few books of interest, I hope that someone
> > > will continue to offer them at a reasonable price.
> > >
> > > Sometimes resisting the impulse buying urge means a missed
> > > opportunity. Its hard to know what to do.
> > >
> > > While on the subject of impulse buying, BusyBee Tools, which has a
> > > store in Edmonton (cheaper shipping to Yellowknife from there) > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
|
Here's a trick I use when shopping at HF. Go to their website and find the item you want (in this case the mini lathe) and add it to your shopping cart. Then apply the 20% off coupon code. If it accepts the code, print the screen and head to the store with the coupon and the page you printed. Then you have no doubts. Works every time for me.
Darren M.
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--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Sherbundy, James" wrote:
That's an even better deal. They had a floor model here too but it was in really bad shape and I don't think I would want it for half price. The various controls (motion control knobs) had at least the equivalent of 0.25" of equivalent turning before anything started to move the other direction. HaHa
Jim
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Robert Furmanak
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:14 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] 20% H F coupon
I bought my mini lathe as a display model for 20% off PLUS 20% off with the coupon! PLUS it was on sale ( a few years ago ) for $399. I walked out with a new lathe for $255.36 plus tax.
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Sherbundy, James
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:45 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] 20% H F coupon
Same deal for me in Cleveland. Seemed to good to be true, so I called their 800 number and they confirmed it could be used. At the checkout, the coupon scanned just fine. I was ready to argue if necesssry. Now I spent all if my savings and some more on LMS goodies.
Jim
-------- Original message --------
From: Dave Beck >
Date: 02/11/2013 12:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: minilathe list <7x12minilathe@... >
Subject: [7x12minilathe] 20% H F coupon
I bought one at HF Houston a couple weeks ago and got both sale price and 20% off, but it took a half-hour wait while they found someone to approve the 20% coupon. Net cost $399
|
Re: Hello from Yellowknife
More of a Brushless DC motor than a stepper... it's bottom speed is 50RPM.
BLDC:
The Craftex is what Engineman uses:
He has he 9516 model... and he turns amazing work with that and a Taig lathe and mill.
More the crafstman than the tools me thinks...
I have the LMS with the BLDC - very nice.
Robert Furmanak wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
The Craftex looks like a Seig. Essentially the same machine as a Harbor
Freight, Mico Mark, Grizzly, and Little Machine Shop (which has a much more
powerful motor than the others.)
Yes, it will run at 20 RPM, but the torque is minimal. If that is a
concern, get the LMS. Or get a 7x14 or 7x16. They all have motors at
least 50 percent more powerful than the 7x10's or 12's. Typically 500 watts
vs. 300 in the Craftex. The LMS uses a stepper motor which is much better
at low RPM's Probably more amenable to CNC'ing, as well
Overall, they are great starter lathes, and capable of reasonable precision.
I have modified mine considerably, and as such, have not yet outgrown it.
While I have not CNC'd mine, I have put a DRO on it.
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]
On Behalf Of machspace
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:34 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Hello from Yellowknife
Hey guys,
I'm about to purchase my first lathe, a mini-lathe, and hoping for a little
guidance. I will be using the lathe for some learning and R&D in my home
shop.
I was initially seeking a 7x12 lathe. However, recently I began looking for
an 8x12 or 8x14 mini-lathe, as I read that they are better (more solid,
accurate, etc.) than the 7x? and 9x? series lathes. I have no clue whether
that's true. I'm finding it hard to find a selection of Canadian suppliers
of 8x? units. So, now I am back to considering the 7x12 once again.
So, a few questions:
1. Is the Craftex CX704 lathe considered a good one in the 7x12 size?
2. When the 7x12 indicates 0-1100 and 0-2500 spindle speeds, can the lathe
actually operate at speeds as low as 20 RPM say? If so, why cannot the 10x22
model do the same (specs indicate low ranges of 100 and 200 RPM)
3. Is the 7x12 easily CNC-able? Any idea of the cost & effort to do so?
(I've already built a CNC machine, so I'm very familiar with the much of the
fundamentals, G-code, stepper, controller, SolidWorks, etc.)
4. Does this seem like a good starting point for somebody just learning to
use a lathe (I'm a professional engineer, 20+yrs experience, love to build
stuff, etc.)?
My limitations are the amount of floor space I wish to dedicate to the lathe
(7x12 seems great in this respect).
Any and all comments would be welcome.
Thank you!
--- In 7x12minilathe@...
<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com> , R Thompson wrote:
Hi Don,
I've gone from I don't have room for a home lathe to being on the
verge of buying a new Sherline. For what I envision doing, and that I
have more confidence in North American and European products, with a
little bit of a preference to employ people closer to home, its a good
fit.
But like you, I'll let my wife know how thrilled I'll be with this
gift from her :-) That and I'll put in some overtime and find something
for her that she wouldn't have purchased for herself, other than lathe
attachments that is. Hmmm, maybe a milling machine.
Now I have to find a source of working material at a reasonable
price.
BTW, I went to Bramalea Secondary School until 1972, were we had
machine shop in grades 9 and 10.
Ron
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 16:35 +0000, dvgraphicsca wrote:
Ron
I bought the Busy Bee CX704 lathe and the DRO kit here in Toronto on
sale at $958 CDN tax included. I have it home and cleaned up but have
not yet installed the DRO kit. I put a large bow on it to remind my
wife that it is a Christmas present from her and not a crazy impulse
purchase on my part.
It looks like a fairly easy learning curve headed my way as I
transition from my elderly Unimat DB200 that has served for 45 years
or so and will continue to do so in a reduced role.
I have made a spot for it to reside in my little shop but lack the
muscle to get it there on my own so I am keeping an eye out for
neighbours that may be attracted to short lived employment in the
moving business with a tot or two of Scotch.
Don Hamilton
---------------------------------------------------
--- In 7x12minilathe@...
<mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com> , R Thompson wrote:
Thanks Roy,
I was thinking of putting off my purchase for now, maybe I should
re-think it. They have a few books of interest, I hope that someone
will continue to offer them at a reasonable price.
Sometimes resisting the impulse buying urge means a missed
opportunity. Its hard to know what to do.
While on the subject of impulse buying, BusyBee Tools, which has a
store in Edmonton (cheaper shipping to Yellowknife from there) > > >
|
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