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7x12 Mini Lathe: It works #diy

 

So I plugged it in and it ran. On the face of it everything seemed fine.

Then I hand wound the carriage and what a racket. Short story the half nut was catching on the thread. Also when the nut was closed the lead screw obviously bent towards the front!

A least taking it apart is straight forward. Using the bench grinder ground a bit off the edge of the half nuts. This seemed to reduce the catching but not the thread bending? as much. So the two holes through which the front of the saddle is fixed to the bed were filed a bit on the front side. The idea being it brings the front element forwards a bit. It worked. Now no more catching and no bending of lead screw.

I then noticed the top slide was actually at a slight angle. Wound it back, and off. Using a square resent the base. Refitted the top slide fitting the gib strip properly.

Then I found an odd white samll plastic gear that had come out the end. Funny that as it work OK. So end off and it is a spare idler gear! I think that is what it is. There is a spot for it to screw into but it does nothing so left it off.

So now for its first run cutting metal, aluminium. Using a brazed carbide tipped tool. Cannot say I like them but at least it is good enough to test it with. For facing I brought the tail stock up to the saddle and locked it n place. On my previous lathe I used to place a plate between saddle and tail stock. Never got around to making a lock, reckon I need to find that plate again.

As I was expecting having to do some work on it I was not disappointed.? As the prices for these machines seemed to have a wide spread and i got one at the bottom end I am quite happy. Whatever happens they are not going to get any cheaper and it is certainly easy to work on.

I am not bothered about precision work. A Cowell with an extra 0 on the price is beyond my needs.?

I reckon it will do for the odd small turning jobs I do. I will not be doing any long stuff so the 12"/300mm bed is enough, especially with the price difference over 14"/350mm and the chuck in the tail stock does not get in the way.

I saw a tip on line to make a cover for the saddle winding gears; looks a good idea. Guard seems useless as tool post catches it close to chuck.?

Chinese stuff like this is a case of you get what you pay for and if you do not flog it to death will suffice as a amateurs tool. Seems to be the case with the other occasionally use cheap Chinese stuff.?

Thanks for the suggestions from my first post. I am now going to see how things work out. So far I have not bolted it to bench. No problems with the test run and probably light work will be OK. Just have to watch out. Handy being able to push it back.



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Don¡¯t measure off of a dead center. The dead center might not be perfect. Measure off of the inside tapered surface of the spindle for your most accurate measurement.

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I too bought the VEVOR 7X14 on impulse and have problems. The one I am trying to get them to correct is the taper of the spindle. When I placed a dead center in it I have 0.0035" run-out which is unacceptable by most standards. They are working with their "supplier" to see what can be done. I hope they will ship me a new spindle.? Paul M


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On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 04:12 AM, paul mcclintic wrote:
The one I am trying to get them to correct is the taper of the spindle. When I placed a dead center in it I have 0.0035" run-out which is unacceptable by most standards.
Your comment inspired me to add that to my 'ToDo' list for my Vevor. :) I know that the open end of the spindle bore is almost perfect (<0.01 mm runout), but I don't think I have a way to reach very far into the taper to make measurements.

How did you measure the runout? I don't have a lot of confidence in the MT centers and adapters I have.


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??? ??? The way we test the bearing's in the headstock on our South bend lathes is to put a solid bar through the spindle & put a indicator on the spindle & then you pull up on the rod & see what the measurement is . The lathe has to be secured to the bench to do this , which should be done anyways to make sure there is no twist in the bed . But that's a discussion / argument for another day .

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On 4/3/2022 10:03 AM, Mark Kimball wrote:

On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 11:36 PM, <j_r_abercrombie@...> wrote:
I haven't checked the spindle bearings. Is there an easy way to do that?
Pulling the bearings would be the most definitive way to tell but that's pretty extreme.? If they're not tapered roller bearings you then would have to replace the bearings.

You can expose the front bearing some by removing the front bearing shield mounting screws and moving the shield as far as you can to the right.? But I don't know if that will reveal enough to tell for sure.? Tapered roller bearings are a little thicker so they will stick out a bit more.....on a lathe that wasn't originally designed for them.? If your lathe was designed for tapered roller bearings from the get-go that may not be the case.? Looking at the front bearing is the lowest-effort approach anyway.

If you've got an endoscope you could try taking off the headstock and looking inside it from the bottom (it's open).? The diameter of the inner part of the bearing will be smaller, compared to the outer side....but that also is the case for angular contact bearings (and there's absolutely nothing wrong with AC bearings).? Maybe one of those little inspection mirrors on a handle would work for this.? If I was to go this far I'd probably take the opportunity to shim the headstock to get it better aligned with the bed.? At least that way it wouldn't be a total waste of time.

Tapered roller bearings aren't shielded but deep groove and AC bearings won't necessarily have them, either.? I don't think you could get a good enough view of the bearing to see if it's got balls or rollers but I could be wrong about that.

Mark


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On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 11:36 PM, <j_r_abercrombie@...> wrote:
I haven't checked the spindle bearings. Is there an easy way to do that?
Pulling the bearings would be the most definitive way to tell but that's pretty extreme.? If they're not tapered roller bearings you then would have to replace the bearings.

You can expose the front bearing some by removing the front bearing shield mounting screws and moving the shield as far as you can to the right.? But I don't know if that will reveal enough to tell for sure.? Tapered roller bearings are a little thicker so they will stick out a bit more.....on a lathe that wasn't originally designed for them.? If your lathe was designed for tapered roller bearings from the get-go that may not be the case.? Looking at the front bearing is the lowest-effort approach anyway.

If you've got an endoscope you could try taking off the headstock and looking inside it from the bottom (it's open).? The diameter of the inner part of the bearing will be smaller, compared to the outer side....but that also is the case for angular contact bearings (and there's absolutely nothing wrong with AC bearings).? Maybe one of those little inspection mirrors on a handle would work for this.? If I was to go this far I'd probably take the opportunity to shim the headstock to get it better aligned with the bed.? At least that way it wouldn't be a total waste of time.

Tapered roller bearings aren't shielded but deep groove and AC bearings won't necessarily have them, either.? I don't think you could get a good enough view of the bearing to see if it's got balls or rollers but I could be wrong about that.

Mark


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George- I do have some 1/8 Lexan but this plastic was easier to cut. I didn't see the point of apron covers until the carriage on my Microlux jammed for a few seconds in the middle of a cut, due to swarf. It was the worst possible combination: uncovered gears and a novice (me) adding grease to them, creating a haven for swarf. At least the Vevor gears'shafts were better machined so they sit below the edge of the casting and I could use a flat cover. On the Microlux I had to add an extra piece of plastic around the perimeter to raise the cover away from the gears.


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George- I do have some 1/8 Lexan but this plastic was easier to cut. I didn't see the point of apron covers until the carriage on my Microlux jammed for a few seconds in the middle of a cut, due to swarf. It was the worst possible combination: uncovered gears and a novice (me) adding grease to them, creating a haven for swarf. At least the Vevor gears'shafts were better machined so they sit below the edge of the casting and I could use a flat cover. On the Microlux I had to add an extra piece of plastic around the perimeter to raise the cover away from the gears.


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Makes no differance at all but that would drive me nuts not being able to see inside and what's going on. Sounds stupid since I cant see it anyway !

george

On Saturday, April 2, 2022, 08:42:22 PM PDT, j_r_abercrombie via groups.io <j_r_abercrombie@...> wrote:


I got the carriage/saddle shims worked out, and the way thickness issues fixed, so the saddle is now sliding smoothly.
I made an apron cover for the gears. It keeps the swarf out of the gears and also keeps the large gear and pinion in place and prevents that gear from 'walking out' until the pinion hits the lathe base at the rack.
Our security company stuck a sign in our lawn last year - that provided the thin plastic for the cover. M3 fasteners.

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I too bought the VEVOR 7X14 on impulse and have problems. The one I am trying to get them to correct is the taper of the spindle. When I placed a dead center in it I have 0.0035" run-out which is unacceptable by most standards. They are working with their "supplier" to see what can be done. I hope they will ship me a new spindle.? Paul M


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On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 01:34 AM, gcvisalia@... wrote:
So the only plus about it is that I know that lathe very well.
Right! I've had my Microlux 7x14 pretty much stripped to pieces and re-assembled (switched headstock bearings even though it wasn't needed) so when my Vevor showed up I had 'no fear' about taking it apart. :) It's a hobby. If I had planned on using these lathes to produce essential parts or do jobs for money, my attitude would be different.


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I got the carriage/saddle shims worked out, and the way thickness issues fixed, so the saddle is now sliding smoothly.
I made an apron cover for the gears. It keeps the swarf out of the gears and also keeps the large gear and pinion in place and prevents that gear from 'walking out' until the pinion hits the lathe base at the rack.
Our security company stuck a sign in our lawn last year - that provided the thin plastic for the cover. M3 fasteners.


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On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 12:37 PM, Kaj Wiik wrote:
Many thanks for the reports! Have you checked if the spindle has indeed?tapered roller bearings?
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Cheers,
Kaj
Thanks, Kaj.
No, I haven't checked the spindle bearings. Is there an easy way to do that?


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Many thanks for the reports! Have you checked if the spindle has indeed?tapered roller bearings?

Cheers,
Kaj


On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 at 11:55, gcvisalia@... <gcvisalia@...> wrote:
I had that same issue with my chuck. On the hanging up part I found the end of a thread kind of folded over. I carefully filed that off and now my check works nicely.

george

On Friday, April 1, 2022, 06:10:29 PM PDT, j_r_abercrombie via <j_r_abercrombie=[email protected]> wrote:


Update: The 'way wipers' are actually pieces of rubber/soft plastic stuck on, with small metal plates and screws to hold them in place. They may be wipers but I think the main purpose is to make it seem that the carriage is properly adjusted (no wiggle) when it isn't. I removed those 'wipers' and the carriage was rattling. So I added the common "work on carriage gibs/slides" to the ToDo list. I got the apron-leadscrew alignment worked out - I had to elongate those holes (and counterbores) in the carriage where it bolts to the apron. The half-nut mechanism needed some work as the detent in the shaft - the one that holds the lever up and teh half nuts open - was drilled far too small to seat the ball properly. The gibs for the half-nuts were also too tight - I think that there needs to be a bit of looseness to allow the two halfnuts to engage the leadscrew smoothly. The support blocks for the leadscrew needed adjusting as part of the effort. A lot of the setscrews on the machine are too long. For some reason the sheet metal cover for the motor is even with the outside of the gears, not the headstock as on the MicroLux. This makes it even more difficult to tighten the 'inside nut' on the banjo when getting the gears changed, since I can't wield the wrench from the back. The Sanou (or counterfeit?) chuck was quite gritty feeling and I stripped it down and cleaned it. Once it was back together, I gave it a 'workout' by squaring the end of a wooden dowel to use as a chuck key, and spinning that with the electric drill. There was a spot in the scroll rotation where the chuck would 'stall' - possibly a rough spot on one of the gears; it doesn't do that any more. ?

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I had that same issue with my chuck. On the hanging up part I found the end of a thread kind of folded over. I carefully filed that off and now my check works nicely.

george

On Friday, April 1, 2022, 06:10:29 PM PDT, j_r_abercrombie via groups.io <j_r_abercrombie@...> wrote:


Update: The 'way wipers' are actually pieces of rubber/soft plastic stuck on, with small metal plates and screws to hold them in place. They may be wipers but I think the main purpose is to make it seem that the carriage is properly adjusted (no wiggle) when it isn't. I removed those 'wipers' and the carriage was rattling. So I added the common "work on carriage gibs/slides" to the ToDo list. I got the apron-leadscrew alignment worked out - I had to elongate those holes (and counterbores) in the carriage where it bolts to the apron. The half-nut mechanism needed some work as the detent in the shaft - the one that holds the lever up and teh half nuts open - was drilled far too small to seat the ball properly. The gibs for the half-nuts were also too tight - I think that there needs to be a bit of looseness to allow the two halfnuts to engage the leadscrew smoothly. The support blocks for the leadscrew needed adjusting as part of the effort. A lot of the setscrews on the machine are too long. For some reason the sheet metal cover for the motor is even with the outside of the gears, not the headstock as on the MicroLux. This makes it even more difficult to tighten the 'inside nut' on the banjo when getting the gears changed, since I can't wield the wrench from the back. The Sanou (or counterfeit?) chuck was quite gritty feeling and I stripped it down and cleaned it. Once it was back together, I gave it a 'workout' by squaring the end of a wooden dowel to use as a chuck key, and spinning that with the electric drill. There was a spot in the scroll rotation where the chuck would 'stall' - possibly a rough spot on one of the gears; it doesn't do that any more. ?

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No. Both so called bearings were just bored out holes. Nothing fancy at all. A real mess to be honest. By lathe was not remotely ready to be used out of the box so to say. Nothing moved smoothly, binding and tightness on everything. I even had to grind a bit off the crossmember to get the tail stock off. And for added insult it had a noise when turned on. I finally traced the noise to the motor cover touching the belt. So had to move the cover. The only thing that has worked properly is the on and off switch.
So the only plus about it is that I know that lathe very well.

george

On Friday, April 1, 2022, 07:31:07 PM PDT, j_r_abercrombie via groups.io <j_r_abercrombie@...> wrote:


On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 06:05 PM, gcvisalia@... wrote:
Yea, the whole leadscrew thing on my micromark 7x16 was a royal mess.......... As my leadscrew end bearings had no way to lube them I just drilled a hole in each one so that I can oil them occasionally.?
George- that's interesting to hear about your MicroMark 7x16 - I think they are one of the higher priced versions of the Sieg 7x. My MicroMark/MicroLux 7x14 isn't too bad, but wasn't really ready to use when I got it, and I am the third (minimum) owner. On my new Vevor one of the leadscrew blocks (does yours have bearings?) has one of those (not useful) brass 'oilers' with the ball bearing, the other end (hidden under the left cover just has a hole.


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This evening I discovered that the 'thickness of the way at the rear varied by 0.005" from end to end, making it difficult (impossible) to get the gibs/plates under the saddle properly adjusted. The saddle was perfect at the tailstock end, but binding up halfway to the headstock. Tedious job to fix that by sanding underneath, but I got it done. Tomorrow - look at the front adjustment, under the 'V'.......


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I was just curious about the model number. Everything about that lathe sounds like it is a Real Bull or clone than a Sieg. The way wipers, full saddle, 4" chuck and slotted half nuts are standard on Real Bull or the one clone machines. In some circles they're thought of as a slight step above the Seig machines. Either way, for 500 dollars delivered you got a great deal!

Ryan?
On Apr 1, 2022, 10:49 PM -0400, j_r_abercrombie via groups.io <j_r_abercrombie@...>, wrote:

One detail - the Vevor cross slide nut (M10 x 1.0 LH) is steel. On the MicroLux, it's brass.


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One detail - the Vevor cross slide nut (M10 x 1.0 LH) is steel. On the MicroLux, it's brass.


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On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 06:17 PM, Ryan H wrote:
Is there a different model number listed, maybe starting with CJ?
It's Vevor Model TQ0635

Is there an explanation somewhere about the Vevor model numbers?


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On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 06:17 PM, Ryan H wrote:
Is the saddle an "H" shape or solid square??
On the Vevor, it's rectangular. On my MicroLux - "H" shape - so more work to make a carriage lock. Saddle=carriage? I probably am using the wrong term.