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-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Druid Noibn
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 12:39 AM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] Re: Database of past messages

Hi Patrice L.,

Good points and well-taken. I am pleased to hear that you
removed the "copyright" from your site - however, as with the
best of intentions, this generates another problem and a
violation of the copyright law - your previous posting of
"copyright" was a also a violation, called theft.

The very issuance of the instrument is a copyright; however
the courts will not hear a case unless it is registered. By
not citing the copyright holder or the original author(s) you
are placing in public domain work in which you might not have
the authority to do so.

Next, has Yahoo released any and all copyrights to the
moderators and/or the original authors save for the logo and
possibly the "look and feel?"

Alternate view - The authors, by posting have gifted their
work as "public domain" in which case the public at-large
have full use of it. However, it does not grant the copyright.

As soon as any commercial benefit is made, the situation is
complicated. Commercial use is sometimes a fine hair to
split under the "Fair Use" principle. Most often restricted
to educational institutions - If one were to copy a document
for a class, a reasonable copying fee is permitted. A charge
greater than this is deemed commercial and would be seen as
unfair and potentially theft.

So while creating a compendium of postings is one of good
intentions, it does have ramifications due to the
ne're-do-wells who benefited from the work of others.

If you elect to otherwise post materials presented by
others, 1) permission is required and 2) full citation to the
copyright owner (saving this, the original author) must be
stated. Next disclosing information from a "members-only"
group (one needs to be a member to post) is not a good idea.

Your good intentions are appreciated, but your decision not
to proceed is likely the best.

Take care,
DBN


Patrice L <strempe4@...> wrote: Let me
address what I can.

1) I will add a reference to the Yahoo group. Not sure why I
did not do it but I see how that may be a good idea.
2) I removed the copyright at the bottom of these pages (a
couple of days ago actually). I had it on all my website.
Never thought to copyrights those for myself.
3) I've removed much of the identification as well as emails
for fear of revealing too much personal information.
4) I've added the adds recently to see if this was something
that could generate revenue to help with the cost of website
and to eventually upgrade so that I could add pictures on there.

Anyway, I am telling you that I wanted to do this to give
back, having received lots of help myself. But you don't know
me and I have no way to prove it to you or others.

I never had anything but good words from the Southbend group
and thought it would be a good idea. Guess not. SO don't
worry, I won't make it.

Patrice

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...]
On Behalf Of rroll99
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:27 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Database of past messages

I'm sorry, but I have to object.

What EXACTLY are you seeking permission to do?

I don't know what copyrights we give up to Yahoo Groups when
we post here, but I wish to retain any rights that I still
have and I don't want anything that I write on your web site.

I wouldn't care as much if you clearly identified on your web
site that the source of your content is the South Bend Lathe
Group, but you haven't done that. There isn't even a link to
the group. You've also stripped almost all information that
could identify the authors of the messages. And you've
prominently displayed your own copyright notices, which imply
that you own the copyrights to stuff that you don't have the
right to copyright.

Finally, you're displaying ads on your site, which means
you've at least considered trying to make money from other
people's writing.

Your web site also "cluttered up" a Google search that I did
the other day with multiple hits that were basically useless.
The answer that I was looking for might have been somewhere
on your site but it would have been difficult to find because
your "database" is more about quantity than quality. Quite
frankly, it's not very much of an improvement over the
group's built-in search function.

If you're wondering why this is an issue with me, it's
because I spent twelve years operating a web site/BBS as a
free public service to promote general aviation, and that
experience was ruined by those who felt that they could take
my work without my permission or without giving me credit as
the source.

I think that if you want to put what you learn here on your
web site, then you need to write it in your own words.

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "borenson444"
<strempe4@...> wrote:

Hi

I am a Southbend lathe owner that created a database of

past messages

for the Southbend groups a while ago. Since the resource

seems to be

useful, I thought I'd maybe try and add one or two new

ones. Metalwork

being my hobby, this group seems interesting.

So I am asking permission from the administrator as well as from

members.

I hope that this message will be moderated to see if it's ok as I
would not want to post something I am not supposed to.

Thanks for your time.

Patrice