Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Hi Bill,
The photos are already in the archive (I just checked to make sure).? In one of the photos of the bed, you can see the second set of vise holes.? "Dave's 4x6 Packard" or something like that.
-Dave
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 07:18:42 PM PDT, John Vreede <vreededesign@...> wrote:
Hi Dave? From what I recall those Packard saws were special (like the cars). Can you post a photo of the vice pls- jv
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:01 PM Dave Seiter < d.seiter@...> wrote:
On my saw (a Packard), the angle jaw has two mounting positions, and if the right position is used, it will cut 4x7.5" material.? I've never cut anything that big, but I have used the feature to cut wide material at an angle.
-Dave?
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 09:17:21 AM PDT, Bill Armstrong < bill_1955@...> wrote:
I have a thin angle jaw I made for my Grizz saw, to cut pieces wider than 6¡±, actually, almost 7¡±. I¡¯m going to build a spacer for the fixed jaw, and I¡¯ll be close to 8¡±.
Just one of some little doo-dads I have built to expand the capabilities of the saw.
Necessity ya know!
J
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Bill
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It was other brand, I should have bought RF.? With a 3x6 tube the left guide hit the tube and prevented cutting.? Pictures attached.
Many Chinese products suffer from making something that looks like the competition but the lower quality factories may not understand what each part of the product is for.? In this case, the fixed jaw of the vice was too far into the cutting area and made of
very thick cast iron.
I fixed it by replacing the vice jaw with thin angle.
On 4/29/20 4:53 AM, RF-Henry wrote:
Hi, Jerry:
How come 4x6 can't cut 3x6? I am not sure if it is happening on other brand, maybe this is their weak point.we have to study the one HF saw inside out factory.?
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Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. +1 408-356-3886
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Hi Dave? From what I recall those Packard saws were special (like the cars). Can you post a photo of the vice pls- jv
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:01 PM Dave Seiter < d.seiter@...> wrote:
On my saw (a Packard), the angle jaw has two mounting positions, and if the right position is used, it will cut 4x7.5" material.? I've never cut anything that big, but I have used the feature to cut wide material at an angle.
-Dave?
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 09:17:21 AM PDT, Bill Armstrong < bill_1955@...> wrote:
I have a thin angle jaw I made for my Grizz saw, to cut pieces wider than 6¡±, actually, almost 7¡±. I¡¯m going to build a spacer for the fixed jaw, and I¡¯ll be close to 8¡±.
Just one of some little doo-dads I have built to expand the capabilities of the saw.
Necessity ya know!
J
?
Bill
?
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?
It was other brand, I should have bought RF.? With a 3x6 tube the left guide hit the tube and prevented cutting.? Pictures attached.
Many Chinese products suffer from making something that looks like the competition but the lower quality factories may not understand what each part of the product is for.? In this case, the fixed jaw of the vice was too far into the cutting area and made of
very thick cast iron.
I fixed it by replacing the vice jaw with thin angle.
On 4/29/20 4:53 AM, RF-Henry wrote:
Hi, Jerry:
How come 4x6 can't cut 3x6? I am not sure if it is happening on other brand, maybe this is their weak point.we have to study the one HF saw inside out factory.?
--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. +1 408-356-3886
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
On my saw (a Packard), the angle jaw has two mounting positions, and if the right position is used, it will cut 4x7.5" material.? I've never cut anything that big, but I have used the feature to cut wide material at an angle.
-Dave?
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 09:17:21 AM PDT, Bill Armstrong <bill_1955@...> wrote:
I have a thin angle jaw I made for my Grizz saw, to cut pieces wider than 6¡±, actually, almost 7¡±. I¡¯m going to build a spacer for the fixed jaw, and I¡¯ll be close to 8¡±.
Just one of some little doo-dads I have built to expand the capabilities of the saw.
Necessity ya know!
J
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Bill
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Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
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It was other brand, I should have bought RF.? With a 3x6 tube the left guide hit the tube and prevented cutting.? Pictures attached.
Many Chinese products suffer from making something that looks like the competition but the lower quality factories may not understand what each part of the product is for.? In this case, the fixed jaw of the vice was too far into the cutting area and made of
very thick cast iron.
I fixed it by replacing the vice jaw with thin angle.
On 4/29/20 4:53 AM, RF-Henry wrote:
Hi, Jerry:
How come 4x6 can't cut 3x6? I am not sure if it is happening on other brand, maybe this is their weak point.we have to study the one HF saw inside out factory.?
--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. +1 408-356-3886
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Not quite, I heard the deal is: the first person to make the
suggestion gets a free one (for quality control purposes - to make
sure the enhancement is properly made).
On 4/29/2020 5:45 PM, S Johnson wrote:
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With all the valuable customer feedback this group is providing, I
assume Rong Fu will compensate us with a 50% off the new bandsaw
coupon code.
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
With all the valuable customer feedback this group is providing, I assume Rong Fu will compensate us with a 50% off the new bandsaw coupon code.
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
Gasafixer, we needn¡¯t search long to find examples of covid-19 naysayer obituaries. No offense intended but if you have something worthy of contribution regarding band saws, I¡¯m interested. Otherwise, you¡¯re just unnecessary noise.
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On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:22 AM, Gasafixer Gasafixer <bchubbwindsor@...> wrote:
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Stop selling (and buying) into the politicians' and medias' manipulated fear mongering and propaganda. We don't need masks any more now than we did last year, or the year before,...
This is a bandsaw site. Take this elsewhere please.
Hey everyone,
I am offering everyone in this group a discount of 10% OFF and free shipping for FDA approved medical masks and other products related to coronavirus.?
The website is?and
the discount code is 10OFF4x6bandsaw to get 10% OFF and free shipping.
Thanks!
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Sometimes I wonder, if some reverse engineer from photographs, rather than by actually having a machine to disassemble, measure, and clone.
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I have a thin angle jaw I made for my Grizz saw, to cut pieces wider than 6¡±, actually, almost 7¡±. I¡¯m going to build a spacer for the fixed jaw, and I¡¯ll be close to 8¡±.
Just one of some little doo-dads I have built to expand the capabilities of the saw.
Necessity ya know!
J
?
Bill
?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Jerry Durand
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
?
It was other brand, I should have bought RF.? With a 3x6 tube the left guide hit the tube and prevented cutting.? Pictures attached.
Many Chinese products suffer from making something that looks like the competition but the lower quality factories may not understand what each part of the product is for.? In this case, the fixed jaw of the vice was too far into the cutting area and made of
very thick cast iron.
I fixed it by replacing the vice jaw with thin angle.
On 4/29/20 4:53 AM, RF-Henry wrote:
Hi, Jerry:
How come 4x6 can't cut 3x6? I am not sure if it is happening on other brand, maybe this is their weak point.we have to study the one HF saw inside out factory.?
--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. +1 408-356-3886
&
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
It was other brand, I should have bought RF.?
With a 3x6 tube the left guide hit the tube and prevented
cutting.? Pictures attached.
Many Chinese products suffer from making something that looks like
the competition but the lower quality factories may not understand
what each part of the product is for.? In this case, the fixed jaw
of the vice was too far into the cutting area and made of very
thick cast iron.
I fixed it by replacing the vice jaw with thin angle.
On 4/29/20 4:53 AM, RF-Henry wrote:
Hi, Jerry:
How come 4x6 can't cut 3x6? I am not sure if it is happening on
other brand, maybe this is their weak point.we have to study the
one HF saw inside out factory.?
--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. +1 408-356-3886
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Yes, there are several modifications made by creative individuals
for their own saw.? The hydraulic downfeed is one, the is another example.? Some of these take an
individual a lot of time to set up and make once, but could have a
low cost to manufacture in volume.? If you offered them as an
"upgrade parts kit" with instructions, I think that could sell
well.? Even for people capable of making their own, if you're
making them in volume, you can probably sell the parts cheaply
enough that its not worth the trouble for us to make our parts.
Amazon and ebay could give you a direct to consumer channel.?
Your listing on amazon/ebay could instruct people to inquire or
pricing on larger quantities (which may be of interest to tool
distributors or importers).
-Joe
On 4/29/2020 6:45 AM, RF-Henry wrote:
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Hi, Joe:
You mean like some accessories for upgrade bandsaw? some of
upgrade kit set, or modification package??
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Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
This sort of message is even less desirable than the spam
for overpriced masks.? This is not a place to tell people not to
take precautions.
am
At 06:22 AM 4/29/2020 +0000, you wrote:
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Stop selling (and buying) into
the politicians' and medias' manipulated fear mongering and propaganda.
We don't need masks any more now than we did last year, or the year
before,...
This is a bandsaw site. Take this elsewhere please.
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<[email protected]> on behalf of abnersadik96@...
<abnersadik96@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:18 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [4x6bandsaw] Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products
That Fight Coronavirus
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Hey everyone,
I am offering everyone in this group a discount of 10% OFF and free
shipping for FDA approved medical masks and other products related to
coronavirus.
The website is
and
the discount code is 10OFF4x6bandsaw to get 10% OFF and free
shipping.
Thanks!
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:45 AM RF-Henry < rongfu@...> wrote: Hi, Joe:
You mean like some accessories for upgrade bandsaw? some of upgrade kit set, or modification package??
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Hi, Jerry:
How come 4x6 can't cut 3x6? I am not sure if it is happening on other brand, maybe this is their weak point.we have to study the one HF saw inside out factory.?
|
Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Hi, Joe:
You mean like some accessories for upgrade bandsaw? some of upgrade kit set, or modification package??
|
Re: Discount Code For Medical Masks and Products That Fight Coronavirus
Stop selling (and buying) into the politicians' and medias' manipulated fear mongering and propaganda. We don't need masks any more now than we did last year, or the year before,...
This is a bandsaw site. Take this elsewhere please.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Hey everyone,
I am offering everyone in this group a discount of 10% OFF and free shipping for FDA approved medical masks and other products related to coronavirus.?
The website is?and
the discount code is 10OFF4x6bandsaw to get 10% OFF and free shipping.
Thanks!
|
Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Bill, I don't know whether Rong Fu take special precautions or not. Perhaps RF Sales can tell us what sort of QC they have around this?? All I know is that my first and most frustrating saw (a UC115) had it and I've fixed others.? I saw a quote a few years back, that 30% of saws had this problem, so even if the number is only a quarter of that quite a few group members will own a saw like this.?
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020, 3:34 PM Bill Armstrong, < bill_1955@...> wrote:
Just a question.....does the Rong Fu saw have an alignment problem?
I don¡¯t believe the Horror Freight saw is made by Rong Fu. I have a Grizzly saw, which IS a Rong Fu, and it has no problem.
Bill
?No Howard, just the 4x6, oh and used to be on BuellXB.com when I had a Uly.
I think your fix would work with 3 setscrews to centralise the bush, then inject epoxy to fix it in place.
But we're highjacking RF Sales's post, other than mis-bored ears are definitely something for them to engineer out completely.
I'd really like to see what other mods people want in a fresh saw design - jv
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Just a question.....does the Rong Fu saw have an alignment problem?
I don¡¯t believe the Horror Freight saw is made by Rong Fu. I have a Grizzly saw, which IS a Rong Fu, and it has no problem.
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On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:27 PM, John Vreede <vreededesign@...> wrote:
?No Howard, just the 4x6, oh and used to be on BuellXB.com when I had a Uly.
I think your fix would work with 3 setscrews to centralise the bush, then inject epoxy to fix it in place.
But we're highjacking RF Sales's post, other than mis-bored ears are definitely something for them to engineer out completely.
I'd really like to see what other mods people want in a fresh saw design - jv
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No Howard, just the 4x6, oh and used to be on BuellXB.com when I had a Uly.
I think your fix would work with 3 setscrews to centralise the bush, then inject epoxy to fix it in place.
But we're highjacking RF Sales's post, other than mis-bored ears are definitely something for them to engineer out completely.
I'd really like to see what other mods people want in a fresh saw design - jv
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Re: Rong Fu Industrial Introduction
Wow John. Looks like you've spend many hours studying the saw and we benefit your experience. I think the major problem of the saw is the parallel alignment of the pivot shaft?to the top of table. I thought of boring the hole larger on one side where the shaft goes into the table casting and turn an eccentric bushing with slots for a spanner. It takes so little movement to get it parallel but I don't think there is not enought?"meat" in the casting. This is the only adjustment you cannot tweek. There were times when the saw cut was good enought?to do the job but I had to machine so it is 90 degree. Annoying waste of time! Oh well. Should have picked a rich wife! Hey John. Are you on the 9x20 lathe forum? you name is familliar?to?me.?
Hi Howard
Yeah the trick to getting these saws to cut square in both horizontal and vertical directions at the same time is:
1.Do? horizontal squareness 1st, by setting WORK parallel to the pivot shaft in Plan View - looking from above - (i.e fixed vice jaw is parallel to shaft), then setting sawblade square to the pivot shaft, also in Plan View (i.e with joint between pivot arm and sawframe castings)
2. Do vertical squareness 2nd, by getting work parallel to the pivot shaft in Front Elevation - looking from the front of the saw over the vice table - (i.e vice table has to be parallel to the pivot shaft and also not humped or hollowed) and the sawblade square to the pivot shaft, also in Front Elevation (i.e by twisting of the saw roller guides).
All of these are adjustable except the vice table parallel to the pivot shaft, which is part of the way the saw was made (boring the holes on the pivot ears parallel to the vice table and the casting not warping after machining).? Lots of work to correct, but it is possible
The saw CANNOT cut square in both directions unless both these things are right at the same time.? When they are, these saws will cut all day long at better than 3thou" per inch of cut. To get it this good you need a sensitive squareness test, which?is detailed in 'Buying a Used 4x6 Bandsaw' in Files section -?/g/4x6bandsaw/files/Buying%20a%20Used%204x6%20Bandsaw%20v4.pdf?
This is all a Royal PITA (mumble grumble).
If Rong Fu are going to re-design the saw, they could do us all a favour by making saw-cut squareness part of the way the saw is made, so it cant be set wrong! .
I'm still making my list of things I'd like to see? - jv
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Hi Rick
Try something like this.? Packed out with washers between the casting and the adjuster on the side and the end to get the right adjustment range.
Push-pull along the joint, and just push on the other axis which I've not had to adjust so could be left out - jv
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John Vreede
Jerry Durand
Henry