Introducing myself and asking for advice
Hello everyone, name is Scott, Call is kc8kbk, been a ham for years and just now getting into APRS.?
Does anyone have configuration instructions to connect a Kenwood D72 to YAAC? I’ve tried following the YAAC help file but I can’t get the radio to talk to my computer (Windows 10), and I’m beyond frustrated.?
73 and thanks in advance!?
Scott, kc8kbk
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Re: WinLink Message Window
Roger that. Thank you Andrew I didn’t think I read that wrong. I’ll be watching for the next release.?
Keith, WA0?TJT Author: https://net-control.us
ARRL ARES?Communicator?Level 2, AEC for?Platte Co. MO ARRL VE KCHEART Radio Operator - St. Lukes Barry Road Hospital
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On May 28, 2024, at 5:41?PM, Andrew P. via groups.io <andrewemt@...> wrote:
There is an APRS gateway to WinLink which allows you to send small messages through APRS to WinLink. However, the YAAC code for accessing that gateway is currently broken, and I'm working on fixing it.Andrew, KA2DDOauthor of YAAC________________________________________From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]> on behalf of Rusty Travis <rusytravis19@...>Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 6:29 PMTo:?[email protected]Subject: Re: [yaac-users] WinLink Message WindowOn 5/28/24 08:13, Keith Kaiser via groups.io wrote:This document https://www.ka2ddo.org/ka2ddo/YAACdocs/messagemenu.html#WinLink says "The WinLink message window ..." But I can't find the WinLink message window? Where or how do I display such a thing?One needs to download, install, configure and run the program from http://winlink.org/ ... Use the "Messages" pull-down menu from within the program.
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Re: WinLink Message Window
There is an APRS gateway to WinLink which allows you to send small messages through APRS to WinLink. However, the YAAC code for accessing that gateway is currently broken, and I'm working on fixing it. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Rusty Travis <rusytravis19@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 6:29 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [yaac-users] WinLink Message Window On 5/28/24 08:13, Keith Kaiser via groups.io wrote: This document says "The WinLink message window ..." But I can't find the WinLink message window? Where or how do I display such a thing? One needs to download, install, configure and run the program from ... Use the "Messages" pull-down menu from within the program.
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Re: WinLink Message Window
Don’t get mad but are you saying YAAC can run inside of WinLink? Or are you saying YAAC is aware that WinLink is running on the same PC? Or if you are saying I have to download and install YAAC then I can tell you unequivocally that I am running YAAC, it works great.?
Keith, WA0?TJT Author: https://net-control.us
ARRL ARES?Communicator?Level 2, AEC for?Platte Co. MO ARRL VE KCHEART Radio Operator - St. Lukes Barry Road Hospital
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On May 28, 2024, at 5:29?PM, Rusty Travis via groups.io <rusytravis19@...> wrote:
On 5/28/24 08:13, Keith Kaiser via groups.io wrote:
This
document
says "The WinLink message window ..." But I can't find the WinLink
message window? Where or how do I display such a thing?
One needs to download, install, configure and run the program from
... Use the "Messages" pull-down menu from
within the program.
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Re: WinLink Message Window
On 5/28/24 08:13, Keith Kaiser via groups.io wrote:
This
document
says "The WinLink message window ..." But I can't find the WinLink
message window? Where or how do I display such a thing?
One needs to download, install, configure and run the program from
... Use the "Messages" pull-down menu from
within the program.
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This document https://www.ka2ddo.org/ka2ddo/YAACdocs/messagemenu.html#WinLink says "The WinLink message window ..." But I can't find the WinLink message window? Where or how do I display such a thing? I have a WinLink account, and yes I have the ability to transmit. My setup is Direwolf/YAAC/MacBook Air/Icom IC-7000.
Keith, WA0?TJT Author: https://net-control.us
ARRL ARES?Communicator?Level 2, AEC for?Platte Co. MO ARRL VE KCHEART Radio Operator - St. Lukes Barry Road Hospital
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Re: KA2DDO website links missing?
You're welcome!
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Cheers and 73 - Jon N7UV
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Re: ADS-B changes (was: Re: [yaac-users] next YAAC build#198 created 2024-May-21)
As for the age times, those are the times since an ADS-B sentence was last successfully heard for a given aircraft. Note that keyword "successfully"; if there is a bit error in a received sentence causing a checksum failure, the sentence will be discarded and not counted as received. Distant aircraft will probably have higher error rates, causing slower updates.
The View>Aircraft list/table shows many dozens of a/c updating at intervals of 0-1 second. I'm fairly sure that it's not due to dropped or discarded packets. My point was about the somewhat random intervals between screen refreshes, sometimes a few seconds and other times over 30 seconds. I don't know what causes that randomization. As I said, it doesn't appear to be processor issues, as the list updates seemingly at 1 second intervals. Maybe it's the map refresh that gets bogged down? The refresh certainly takes a good fraction of a second, at least for this pc, so maybe there's just so many calls to rewrite the screen that something can't respond that quickly? The dashboard pseudo-LED for ADS-B RF is always green with short flashes of black. The ADS-B receiver is an RPi 4 so it can feed data pretty rapidly. Using a browser interface, I'm getting 400-600 decoded messages per second. Anyway, I'll be out in the middle of nowhere over the weekend and will see how the refresh behaves in a less intense receiving environment. Cheers and 73 - Jon N7UV
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Re: KA2DDO website links missing?
Thank you for pointing this out. I used to allow people to download the plugin distributions manually from the website by hyperlinks here, but I noticed in my web server logs that the vast majority of such downloaders were web spiders, and not the "good" ones like Google or DuckDuckGo, but the evil ones looking for free data or code to profit on. Plus I was handling too many trouble tickets from people who couldn't figure out how to manually install the plugins. It became easier to eliminate the hyperlinks and have people install the plugins automatically through the Help->Install Plugins menu choice in YAAC. I will fix the web page to eliminate this confusion. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Jon Adams <n7uv.jon@...> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 5:19 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] KA2DDO website links missing? I actually noticed this some time back, but forgot to ask about it. [cid: [email protected]] The instructions highlighted in yellow suggest that there are links for each of the plugin names. However, at least on my Chrome and Firefox browsers, there's no link. I had to go to sourceforge and find the adsbplugin.jar independently of this page's instruction. Thanks again for creating and maintaining such a nice program. -- Cheers and 73 - Jon N7UV
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Re: ADS-B changes (was: Re: [yaac-users] next YAAC build#198 created 2024-May-21)
Duh. The easiest thing was the most obvious. I went to View>Layers>Show Dead Reckoning and turned it off. My bad.
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Cheers and 73 - Jon N7UV
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KA2DDO website links missing?
I actually noticed this some time back, but forgot to ask about it.  The instructions highlighted in yellow suggest that there are links for each of the plugin names. However, at least on my Chrome and Firefox browsers, there's no link. I had to go to sourceforge and find the adsbplugin.jar independently of this page's instruction. Thanks again for creating and maintaining such a nice program. -- Cheers and 73 - Jon N7UV
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Re: ADS-B changes (was: Re: [yaac-users] next YAAC build#198 created 2024-May-21)
Hi Andrew - Thanks for the info. I went to port setup and dialed it down to 1 min, and that seemed to help.  My mobile ADS-B setup is fairly sensitive. I don't worry about random a/c at extreme range, more that stuff in the area is reliably received. The snail-trail/skidmark/dead reckoning is really messing things up. I live near many airports with significant traffic, and can hear hundreds of a/c within a 20 nm range. The problem seems to be that when a/c destinate at a particular airport, dead reckoning assumes they're still moving at some runway taxi speed (except for Sky Harbor KPHX, an ADSB-X field, where they are required to keep ADS-B on until they arrive at the stand). Though even that doesn't explain the long trails coming off the west end of the dual runways (they're landing/taking off to the west currently).? I just changed the behavior to  and dialed down the maximum age to view to 30 min and time to keep to 1 hour. Let's see what that does for me. -- Cheers and 73 - Jon N7UV
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ADS-B changes (was: Re: [yaac-users] next YAAC build#198 created 2024-May-21)
The ADS-B timeout parameter is in the port configuration panel for that port type. It's a control that allows you to set a time between 1 to 60 minutes. So go to File->Configure->Expert Mode, go to the Ports tab, select the row
for the ADS-B port, and click Edit.
Alas, there is a bug in the rtl_adsb program where it may not die when the YAAC port is closed (either by editing the port or exiting YAAC), so you may have to hand-kill it and re-open the port.
As for the age times, those are the times since an ADS-B sentence was last successfully heard for a given aircraft. Note that keyword "successfully"; if there is a bit error in a received sentence causing a checksum failure, the
sentence will be discarded and not counted as received. Distant aircraft will probably have higher error rates, causing slower updates.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
Thanks for the update, Andrew, especially for the attention to ADS-B.
In searching through the new version, I haven't located the part about?
" 11.
in the ADS-B plugin, set the inactive station time interval separately
for
aircraft, with a default inactive-before-purge time of 5 minutes
and
a maximum of 60 minutes."
Where is that located? I went to View>Aircraft>Filter but it appears to be the standard filter settings for all stations, which I have set to 1 hour.?
This is in the truck, running a Win 11 box. The truck is parked. I have a/c that are now well over an hour old and (what i think is dead reckoning?) still showing as giant skidmarks %^)
Another thing I notice is that updating the screen seems to be at random times (the following is seconds after the top of the minute): 50 55 02 35 58 08 15 20 52 55 17 35 44 56 07 20 28 38 47?
Since there are sometimes as little as 3 seconds (52 to 55) and other times as much as 33 seconds (02 to 35) between screen updates, it doesn't seem to be a matter of processor overloading.?
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Cheers and 73 - Jon N7UV
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Re: next YAAC build#198 created 2024-May-21
Thanks for the update, Andrew, especially for the attention to ADS-B. In searching through the new version, I haven't located the part about? " 11. in the ADS-B plugin, set the inactive station time interval separately for aircraft, with a default inactive-before-purge time of 5 minutes and a maximum of 60 minutes."
Where is that located? I went to View>Aircraft>Filter but it appears to be the standard filter settings for all stations, which I have set to 1 hour.? This is in the truck, running a Win 11 box. The truck is parked. I have a/c that are now well over an hour old and (what i think is dead reckoning?) still showing as giant skidmarks %^)
Another thing I notice is that updating the screen seems to be at random times (the following is seconds after the top of the minute): 50 55 02 35 58 08 15 20 52 55 17 35 44 56 07 20 28 38 47? Since there are sometimes as little as 3 seconds (52 to 55) and other times as much as 33 seconds (02 to 35) between screen updates, it doesn't seem to be a matter of processor overloading.? -- Cheers and 73 - Jon N7UV
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next YAAC build#198 created 2024-May-21
next beta build#198 of YAAC ("Yet Another APRS Client"), created 2024-May-21
downloadable from
or
changes and updates include:
1. assorted changes to improve performance and reduce JVM heap fragmentation
and garbage collection overhead by reducing the number of transient
objects created.
2. update Javadocs to indicate in which Provider API version number new
functionality was added.
3. ensure that packets originated by the local station are not digipeated
or Tx I-gated by the originating station.
4. update the ?YDBG query handler to add an option for listing the plugins
in use by the queried station.
5. clean up port beacon name selector so duplicate beacon types don't get
registered to a port.
6. fix the Heard Station table view to optionally use the current filter
settings to calculate the table contents.
7. fix the line-of-sight window to use smaller units for lines of sight
over a short distance.
8. when saving and loading polyline definitions in the Draw layer, actually
honor the control that identifies whether the CSV file is in lat,lon
order versus lon,lat order, and report an error if the user picked
the wrong ordering (identifiable by a latitude exceeding +/- 90 degrees).
9. re-optimize the OSM importers to reduce the likelihood of excessive
garbage collection crashes on faster systems by reducing the number
of transient objects being created.
10. improve the documentation for timeslottable APRS ports.
11. in the ADS-B plugin, set the inactive station time interval separately
for aircraft, with a default inactive-before-purge time of 5 minutes
and a maximum of 60 minutes. Also display the distance and direction
of the aircraft relative to the YAAC station and the current
transponder squawk code.
12. in the AIS decoder plugin, ensure stale vessels are properly purged
from the system the same way stale APRS stations are purged. also
improve map symbols for some types of marine vessels and navigation
aids.
13. in the AREDN plugin, fix issues with AREDN nodes whose names exceed
the maximum length of APRS Objects, so that there aren't problems
with similarly named AREDN nodes on the map. also fix errors in the
calculation of line-of-sight obstructions.
14. correct error in Maven assembly of the distribution ZIP file.
15. add debugging support for sounds plugin playback of recorded .wav files.
In addition, the imported version of the 2024-May-12 snapshot of the
OpenStreetMap database is now available for download.
Enjoy!
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Re: Configure Digirig on Windows 10 for YAAC
Just to be clear, you don't need a hardware TNC - only the soft TNC as Andrew pointed out. The DigiRig connects and talks to the radio, The soft TNC talks to the DigRig, and YAAC talks to the soft TNC.? You should be able to use either an AGW or KISS over TCP interface in YAAC to communicate with the soft TNC.
73, Lee K5DAT
Thank you all for your replies.
I did not realize I needed a software TNC as well.? I will work
on this.
Again, thank you !
73 Eric
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Re: Configure Digirig on Windows 10 for YAAC
Thank you all for your replies.
I did not realize I needed a software TNC as well.? I will work
on this.
Again, thank you !
73 Eric
On 5/5/24 17:49, Danny K5CG wrote:
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>with a serial port used solely for PTT control.
More than that, it also does CAT data on the same COM port.
But yes, still needs a TNC.
73
Danny, K5CG
HH 550-000-0609
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From: "Andrew"
<andrewemt@...>
To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 4:37:15 PM
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Configure Digirig on Windows
10 for YAAC
Bear in mind that a DigiRig is
not a TNC; a DigiRig is a sound card interface to a radio,
with a serial port used solely for PTT control.
You will need to run some sort of software TNC program to
use a DigiRig for APRS. Since you are using Microsoft
Windows, you will want to use AGWPE, UZ7HO Soundmodem, or
Direwolf. Once the software TNC is working with the DigiRig,
you can config YAAC to use an AGWPE port to connect to the
software TNC.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
Sent:
Sunday, May 5, 2024 5:06:12 PM
Hi All,
I have a iCom IC-8000 and Digirig interface on a Windows10
box, and I am having trouble getting YAAC to work.? I have
set up a port for Serial_TNC in KISS Only and TX is locked
on.? I have set RTS on and YAAC throws java errors.
Has anyone met with success using a Digirig on Win10?
73 Eric
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Re: Configure Digirig on Windows 10 for YAAC
>with a serial port used solely for PTT control. More than that, it also does CAT data on the same COM port.
But yes, still needs a TNC.
73
Danny, K5CG
HH 550-000-0609
SKCC 14257
From: "Andrew" <andrewemt@...> To: "yaac-users" < [email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 4:37:15 PM Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Configure Digirig on Windows 10 for YAAC
Bear in mind that a DigiRig is not a TNC; a DigiRig is a sound card interface to a radio, with a serial port used solely for PTT control.
You will need to run some sort of software TNC program to use a DigiRig for APRS. Since you are using Microsoft Windows, you will want to use AGWPE, UZ7HO Soundmodem, or Direwolf. Once the software TNC is working with the DigiRig, you can config YAAC to use
an AGWPE port to connect to the software TNC.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 5:06:12 PM
Hi All,
I have a iCom IC-8000 and Digirig interface on a Windows10 box, and I am having trouble getting YAAC to work.? I have set up a port for Serial_TNC in KISS Only and TX is locked on.? I have set RTS on and YAAC throws java errors.
Has anyone met with success using a Digirig on Win10?
73 Eric
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Re: Configure Digirig on Windows 10 for YAAC
Bear in mind that a DigiRig is not a TNC; a DigiRig is a sound card interface to a radio, with a serial port used solely for PTT control.
You will need to run some sort of software TNC program to use a DigiRig for APRS. Since you are using Microsoft Windows, you will want to use AGWPE, UZ7HO Soundmodem, or Direwolf. Once the software TNC is working with the DigiRig, you can config YAAC to use
an AGWPE port to connect to the software TNC.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 5:06:12 PM
Hi All,
I have a iCom IC-8000 and Digirig interface on a Windows10 box, and I am having trouble getting YAAC to work.? I have set up a port for Serial_TNC in KISS Only and TX is locked on.? I have set RTS on and YAAC throws java errors.
Has anyone met with success using a Digirig on Win10?
73 Eric
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Re: Configure Digirig on Windows 10 for YAAC
I have Windows 10 Pro using a DigiRig on an IC-7000.
73
Danny, K5CG
HH 550-000-0609
SKCC 14257
From: "Eric Nisenfeld" <eric@...> To: "yaac-users" < [email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 9:58:59 AM Subject: [yaac-users] Configure Digirig on Windows 10 for YAAC
Hi All,
I have a iCom IC-8000 and Digirig interface on a Windows10 box, and I am having trouble getting YAAC to work.? I have set up a port for Serial_TNC in KISS Only and TX is locked on.? I have set RTS on and YAAC throws java errors.
Has anyone met with success using a Digirig on Win10?
73 Eric
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Eric Nisenfeld
Danny K5CG