Re: Digipeater - YAAC or Direwolf?
Logistics does play a role here. First, yes, single frequency, the
normal APRS 2m channel. I have one portable APRS station, which will be
at net control. Connected to a projector and big screen, it displays all
the rest stops, SAG wagons, etc. There are even a few participants using
trackers that may be displayed. A portable mast is set up giving an
antenna at about 20 ft. There is almost no other digipeater coverage
natively to this area. We are hoping for at least one other portable
digi to become available to be located in another area to supplement
coverage. It's partly political as well. We've been trying to get
someone to put at least a digi, preferably an iGate at the repeater site
which has coverage over the entire course area, but have gained little
traction in that endeavor.
I shall start studying Direwolf digi configurations.
Thanks,
Michael WA7SKG
Andrew P. wrote on 7/24/24 11:59 AM:
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Assuming you're only running a single-frequency digipeater (not cross-band), I would recommend using DireWolf as the digipeater, and check its documentation for the setup. It will be able to handle the zero-delay expected of a digipeater, and will be more responsive.
YAAC can handle digipeating probably more flexibly that DireWolf, but it doesn't have the timing control over the CSMA/CD aspects of the modem that DireWolf has that will improve RF network performance.
One important question, though: do you need the digipeater co-located with the Net Control station, or do you need it elsewhere for best coverage extension? For example, I have worked several bicycle events where the Net Control station was at the geographical end of the territory to be covered, so a digipeater there would add no value (if the digipeater there could hear it, so could Net Control); digipeaters in the middle of the territory (distant from Net Control) were far more valuable since the only APRS receive stations were Net Control.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 1:06 PM
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Subject: [yaac-users] Digipeater - YAAC or Direwolf?
We are going to use APRS for an upcoming event, so I will be setting up
a portable station at the event control center to display the APRS users
on a big screen. I also want to use that station as a digipeater, as
digi coverage in the area is poor. I've not fooled with setting up
digipeaters before, so all is new to me.
The portable station will be using either a RaspberryPi or Quadra
computer running YAAC and Direwolf modem. Is there a configuration for
YAAC to handle the digipeat function, or should that be set up in
Direwolf? Any good guides or tutorials?
Thanks
--
73,
Michael WA7SKG
"Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day."
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Re: Digipeater - YAAC or Direwolf?
Assuming you're only running a single-frequency digipeater (not cross-band), I would recommend using DireWolf as the digipeater, and check its documentation for the setup. It will be able to handle the zero-delay expected of a digipeater, and will be more responsive. YAAC can handle digipeating probably more flexibly that DireWolf, but it doesn't have the timing control over the CSMA/CD aspects of the modem that DireWolf has that will improve RF network performance. One important question, though: do you need the digipeater co-located with the Net Control station, or do you need it elsewhere for best coverage extension? For example, I have worked several bicycle events where the Net Control station was at the geographical end of the territory to be covered, so a digipeater there would add no value (if the digipeater there could hear it, so could Net Control); digipeaters in the middle of the territory (distant from Net Control) were far more valuable since the only APRS receive stations were Net Control. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 1:06 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] Digipeater - YAAC or Direwolf? We are going to use APRS for an upcoming event, so I will be setting up a portable station at the event control center to display the APRS users on a big screen. I also want to use that station as a digipeater, as digi coverage in the area is poor. I've not fooled with setting up digipeaters before, so all is new to me. The portable station will be using either a RaspberryPi or Quadra computer running YAAC and Direwolf modem. Is there a configuration for YAAC to handle the digipeat function, or should that be set up in Direwolf? Any good guides or tutorials? Thanks -- 73, Michael WA7SKG "Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day."
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Digipeater - YAAC or Direwolf?
We are going to use APRS for an upcoming event, so I will be setting up
a portable station at the event control center to display the APRS users
on a big screen. I also want to use that station as a digipeater, as
digi coverage in the area is poor. I've not fooled with setting up
digipeaters before, so all is new to me.
The portable station will be using either a RaspberryPi or Quadra
computer running YAAC and Direwolf modem. Is there a configuration for
YAAC to handle the digipeat function, or should that be set up in
Direwolf? Any good guides or tutorials?
Thanks
--
73,
Michael WA7SKG
"Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day."
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Andrew,
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Thank you, completely forgot about the “Upgrade,” worked great on my windows box.
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Jamie Hughes
WA7JH
(360) 340-8886
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I get the bus error 10 message. I’m running an?1.8 GHz Intel Core i7.?
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Interesting indeed. It sounds like there is something wrong with your Java runtime. You may have to install another version of the Java runtime that will work with your O/S version and CPU.
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Try issuing the command
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java -version
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and see if it prints out version numbers or throws another bus error.
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Also, what processor is your Mac using? Intel, Motorola, or one of Apple's new M-series ARM chips?
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Hi Andrew, when launched in terminal all I get is?
On 16 Jul 2024, at 11:53, Andrew P. via
?<andrewemt@...> wrote:
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Interesting. How did you launch YAAC?
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I strongly recommend you open a Terminal window and start it from the command line so you can see any error messages. The command (from the directory where you unpacked the YAAC.zip file) is
Crowthorne:yaac thomashole$ java -jar YAAC.jar
Bus error: 10
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java -jar YAAC.jar
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Hope this helps. If it doesn't, capture the output in the Terminal window and email it to me privately so I can help you debug the problem.
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Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
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I hope someone her can help. I am trying to run yaac on Mac running OSX 10.11.6. All I get when I launch yaac Is a menu bar with yaac and nothing
else. Could my ancient operating system be the cause?
Cheers
Tom Hole kf6kyd
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Thanks Andrew, I think I’m going to have to wait for my new machine to arrive. Everything I’m doing with Java now results in exception errors.
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I get the bus error 10 message. I’m running an?1.8 GHz Intel Core i7.?
Interesting indeed. It sounds like there is something wrong with your Java runtime. You may have to install another version of the Java runtime that will work with your O/S version and CPU.
Try issuing the command
java -version
and see if it prints out version numbers or throws another bus error.
Also, what processor is your Mac using? Intel, Motorola, or one of Apple's new M-series ARM chips?
Andrew, KA2DDO
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Sent:?Tuesday, July 16, 2024 1:05 PM
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Hi Andrew, when launched in terminal all I get is?
Interesting. How did you launch YAAC?
I strongly recommend you open a Terminal window and start it from the command line so you can see any error messages. The command (from the directory where you unpacked the YAAC.zip file) is?Crowthorne:yaac thomashole$ java -jar YAAC.jar
Bus error: 10
java -jar YAAC.jar
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, capture the output in the Terminal window and email it to me privately so I can help you debug the problem.
Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC
I hope someone her can help. I am trying to run yaac on Mac running OSX 10.11.6. All I get when I launch yaac Is a menu bar with yaac and nothing else. Could my ancient operating system be the cause?
Cheers
Tom Hole kf6kyd
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From:[email protected] on behalf of T W via groups.io
Sent:?Tuesday, July 16, 2024 1:14 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [yaac-users] No Menu
I get the bus error 10 message. I’m running an?1.8 GHz Intel Core i7.?
Interesting indeed. It sounds like there is something wrong with your Java runtime. You may have to install another version of the Java runtime that will work with your O/S version and CPU.
Try issuing the command
java -version
and see if it prints out version numbers or throws another bus error.
Also, what processor is your Mac using? Intel, Motorola, or one of Apple's new M-series ARM chips?
Andrew, KA2DDO
From:?[email protected]?on behalf of T W via
Sent:?Tuesday, July 16, 2024 1:05 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [yaac-users] No Menu?
Hi Andrew, when launched in terminal all I get is?
Interesting. How did you launch YAAC?
I strongly recommend you open a Terminal window and start it from the command line so you can see any error messages. The command (from the directory where you unpacked the YAAC.zip file) is
Crowthorne:yaac thomashole$ java -jar YAAC.jar
Bus error: 10
java -jar YAAC.jar
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, capture the output in the Terminal window and email it to me privately so I can help you debug the problem.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
I hope someone her can help. I am trying to run yaac on Mac running OSX 10.11.6. All I get when I launch yaac Is a menu bar with yaac and nothing else. Could my ancient operating system be the cause?
Cheers
Tom Hole kf6kyd
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Andrew,
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Thank you and its up and running first time on a PC image to test. ?
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Tim KM4ESu
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I get the bus error 10 message. I’m running an?1.8 GHz Intel Core i7.?
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Interesting indeed. It sounds like there is something wrong with your Java runtime. You may have to install another version of the Java runtime that will work with your O/S version and CPU.
Try issuing the command
java -version
and see if it prints out version numbers or throws another bus error.
Also, what processor is your Mac using? Intel, Motorola, or one of Apple's new M-series ARM chips?
Andrew, KA2DDO
From:?[email protected]?on behalf of T W via?
Sent:?Tuesday, July 16, 2024 1:05 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [yaac-users] No Menu?
Hi Andrew, when launched in terminal all I get is?
Interesting. How did you launch YAAC?
I strongly recommend you open a Terminal window and start it from the command line so you can see any error messages. The command (from the directory where you unpacked the YAAC.zip file) is?Crowthorne:yaac thomashole$ java -jar YAAC.jar
Bus error: 10
java -jar YAAC.jar
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, capture the output in the Terminal window and email it to me privately so I can help you debug the problem.
Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC
From:?[email protected]?on behalf of T W via?
Sent:?Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:39 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?[yaac-users] No Menu?
I hope someone her can help. I am trying to run yaac on Mac running OSX 10.11.6. All I get when I launch yaac Is a menu bar with yaac and nothing else. Could my ancient operating system be the cause?
Cheers
Tom Hole kf6kyd
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Interesting indeed. It sounds like there is something wrong with your Java runtime. You may have to install another version of the Java runtime that will work with your O/S version and CPU.
Try issuing the command
java -version
and see if it prints out version numbers or throws another bus error.
Also, what processor is your Mac using? Intel, Motorola, or one of Apple's new M-series ARM chips?
Andrew, KA2DDO
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From:[email protected] on behalf of T W via groups.io
Sent:?Tuesday, July 16, 2024 1:05 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [yaac-users] No Menu
Hi Andrew, when launched in terminal all I get is?
Interesting. How did you launch YAAC?
I strongly recommend you open a Terminal window and start it from the command line so you can see any error messages. The command (from the directory where you unpacked the YAAC.zip file) is
Crowthorne:yaac thomashole$ java -jar YAAC.jar
Bus error: 10
java -jar YAAC.jar
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, capture the output in the Terminal window and email it to me privately so I can help you debug the problem.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
From:?[email protected]?on behalf of T W via
Sent:?Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:39 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?[yaac-users] No Menu?
I hope someone her can help. I am trying to run yaac on Mac running OSX 10.11.6. All I get when I launch yaac Is a menu bar with yaac and nothing else. Could my ancient operating system be the cause?
Cheers
Tom Hole kf6kyd
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Hi Andrew, when launched in terminal all I get is?
Interesting. How did you launch YAAC?
I strongly recommend you open a Terminal window and start it from the command line so you can see any error messages. The command (from the directory where you unpacked the YAAC.zip file) is?Crowthorne:yaac thomashole$ java -jar YAAC.jar
Bus error: 10
java -jar YAAC.jar
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, capture the output in the Terminal window and email it to me privately so I can help you debug the problem.
Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC
From:?[email protected] on behalf of T W via
Sent:?Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:39 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?[yaac-users] No Menu?
I hope someone her can help. I am trying to run yaac on Mac running OSX 10.11.6. All I get when I launch yaac Is a menu bar with yaac and nothing else. Could my ancient operating system be the cause?
Cheers
Tom Hole kf6kyd
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Interesting. How did you launch YAAC?
I strongly recommend you open a Terminal window and start it from the command line so you can see any error messages. The command (from the directory where you unpacked the YAAC.zip file) is
java -jar YAAC.jar
Hope this helps. If it doesn't, capture the output in the Terminal window and email it to me privately so I can help you debug the problem.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
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From:[email protected] on behalf of T W via groups.io
Sent:?Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:39 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject:?[yaac-users] No Menu
I hope someone her can help. I am trying to run yaac on Mac running OSX 10.11.6. All I get when I launch yaac Is a menu bar with yaac and nothing else. Could my ancient operating system be the cause?
Cheers
Tom Hole kf6kyd
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No big deal. Download a Java runtime installer and install it. (commercial version) or (GPL version) Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Tim Huffaker <thuffaker@...> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:39 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] Windows 11 Parallels I finally installed YAAC on a pc (Parallels) and I dropped the file into a Ham file. I double-clicked the YAAC.jar and nothing happened except Windows asking what to open it with. Then I tried java -jar YAAC.jar in the widows command line, which did not work either. I think Java is not installed preventing the file from opening. Tim KM4ESU
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I hope someone her can help. I am trying to run yaac on Mac running OSX 10.11.6. All I get when I launch yaac Is a menu bar with yaac and nothing else. Could my ancient operating system be the cause?
Cheers
Tom Hole kf6kyd
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I finally installed YAAC on a pc (Parallels) and I dropped the file into a Ham file. I double-clicked the YAAC.jar and nothing happened except Windows asking what to open it with. ?Then I tried java -jar YAAC.jar in the widows command line, which did not work either. ?
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I think Java is not installed preventing the file from opening.?
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Tim?
KM4ESU
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Re: next beta build#201 of YAAC, created 2024-Jul-14
The upgrade.jar is invoked automatically when you use the Help menu's Check for Updates and it finds a new version to download. Once the new version's zip file is downloaded, the upgrade.jar file is invoked to install the zip file's contents; some operating systems (such as Microsoft Windows) will not allow a running program to be overwritten, so the separate upgrade program does the overwriting of YAAC with the newer code version. In short, upgrade.jar should never be invoked manually. Hope this helps. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Jamie H <wa7jh@...> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 9:49 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [yaac-users] next beta build#201 of YAAC, created 2024-Jul-14 Are there instructions for the "Upgrade.jar"? Jamie Hughes WA7JH (360) 340-8886 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew P. Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:07 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] next beta build#201 of YAAC, created 2024-Jul-14 next beta build#201 of YAAC ("Yet Another APRS Client"), created 2024-Jul-14 downloadable from or changes and updates include: 1. increase regression test coverage for GPS package. 2. ensure blinkenlight-launched port configuration editor won't fail to dismiss if there is an error in opening the revised port. 3. fix debug logging logic in TopoLayer. 4. fix shutdown race condition in port close for APRS-IS ports. 5. prevent deleting SRTM files if download errors occur when downloading updated files. 6. fix documentation for MADIS weather checks. 7. Add GPSD JSON tests to GPS unit tests. 8. improve AREDN plugin debug logging. also fix obstruction calculations to account for SRTM tile cells that do not contain elevation data. 9. another attempt to fix timing in unit test for marineports plugin port connector class so false failures don't occur. 10. add PNG icon images for creating startup shortcuts on platforms that don't support Microsoft Windows ICO files.
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Re: next beta build#201 of YAAC, created 2024-Jul-14
Are there instructions for the "Upgrade.jar"?
Jamie Hughes
WA7JH
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew P. Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 5:07 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] next beta build#201 of YAAC, created 2024-Jul-14 next beta build#201 of YAAC ("Yet Another APRS Client"), created 2024-Jul-14 downloadable from or changes and updates include: 1. increase regression test coverage for GPS package. 2. ensure blinkenlight-launched port configuration editor won't fail to dismiss if there is an error in opening the revised port. 3. fix debug logging logic in TopoLayer. 4. fix shutdown race condition in port close for APRS-IS ports. 5. prevent deleting SRTM files if download errors occur when downloading updated files. 6. fix documentation for MADIS weather checks. 7. Add GPSD JSON tests to GPS unit tests. 8. improve AREDN plugin debug logging. also fix obstruction calculations to account for SRTM tile cells that do not contain elevation data. 9. another attempt to fix timing in unit test for marineports plugin port connector class so false failures don't occur. 10. add PNG icon images for creating startup shortcuts on platforms that don't support Microsoft Windows ICO files.
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next beta build#201 of YAAC, created 2024-Jul-14
next beta build#201 of YAAC ("Yet Another APRS Client"), created 2024-Jul-14
downloadable from
or
changes and updates include:
1. increase regression test coverage for GPS package.
2. ensure blinkenlight-launched port configuration editor won't fail to
dismiss if there is an error in opening the revised port.
3. fix debug logging logic in TopoLayer.
4. fix shutdown race condition in port close for APRS-IS ports.
5. prevent deleting SRTM files if download errors occur when downloading
updated files.
6. fix documentation for MADIS weather checks.
7. Add GPSD JSON tests to GPS unit tests.
8. improve AREDN plugin debug logging. also fix obstruction calculations
to account for SRTM tile cells that do not contain elevation data.
9. another attempt to fix timing in unit test for marineports plugin
port connector class so false failures don't occur.
10. add PNG icon images for creating startup shortcuts on platforms that
don't support Microsoft Windows ICO files.
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Sounds good. Definitely a good idea to get the second station working, to make sure you're running the correct audio levels to not distort the modem tones. Those old hardware TNCs are picky about
matching amplitudes for the two tones and not invoking audio compression in the transceivers.
Hi
Andrew many tnx for the advice.?
I followed your advice and the TNC 220 appears to be going into KISS mode when I run YAAC instead of me having to manually put it into KISS mode.
I have set it up as an APRS beacon (60 secs intervals just for testing) and the STA and TX lights are coming on as I would expect and the 2M TXR is TXing and I can hear packet tones on a handy.
My problem is there is only one other active APRS stn in my area about 10 miles away but there is a mountain between us so the path is vy difficult.? He is decoding nil but that my well be due to the poor path.
I need to set up a 2nd portatable APRS stn to see if my packets can actually be decoded.
That's my next step getting YAAC running on a RPi with my other TNC a Paccom TNC 320.
Will report the results.
73
Dave
GM4NFI
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Hi
Andrew many tnx for the advice.?
I followed your advice and the TNC 220 appears to be going into KISS mode when I run YAAC instead of me having to manually put it into KISS mode.
I have set it up as an APRS beacon (60 secs intervals just for testing) and the STA and TX lights are coming on as I would expect and the 2M TXR is TXing and I can hear packet tones on a handy.
My problem is there is only one other active APRS stn in my area about 10 miles away but there is a mountain between us so the path is vy difficult.? He is decoding nil but that my well be due to the poor path.
I need to set up a 2nd portatable APRS stn to see if my packets can actually be decoded.
That's my next step getting YAAC running on a RPi with my other TNC a Paccom TNC 320.
Will report the results.
73
Dave
GM4NFI
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Re: Beacon "Comment" Question
More specifically to answer the otiginal poster's question:
The /W1 (the "1" is part of it) indicates that the station sending the beacon is configured as a WIDE1-1 fill-in digipeater. Additional abbreviations would be inserted with delimiting commas if your station supported more New-N
aliases, such as ",MD7" if your station would digi for the state-wide Maryland-only alias.
Hope that helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
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Greetings YAAC Braintrust,
On every APRS station that I have using YAAC as a client within the comment of the beacon there is a ",/W" in front of the text (). This does not affect any of the operations
of the beacon from what I can see. This text is obviously not present within the YAAC beacon tab, however I can see it within Direwolf transmit beacons which of course makes it to APRS.fi too. Anybody have information on what this is and is purpose?
Here is some station information which came from the one linked above.
1) YAAC Version 1.0-beta198(21-May-2024)
????? a) Port 1: AGWPE
????????? Direwolf Beacon: [0L] WA5SON-2>APJYC1,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:/123300h2957.21N/09616.88W#,/W1 ?wa5son@...<0x0d>
????? b) Port 2: APRSIS
2) OS: Raspbian 11 (Bullseye)
3) Kernel: Linux 6.1.21-v8+
73
Brian WA5SON
Hockley, TX
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