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Re: softrock40

 

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I would agree that my RXII could use some pre-amp gain above 15 meters.? I would expect the sensitivity to be pretty constant across the bands if the attenuators are removed.? I think the issue is signal-to-noise ratio and mostly a change in antenna noise.? I live on a farm away from any large city and my 210 foot G5RV antenna is pretty quiet on 10 meters so that when I connect it to the RXII there is hardly any change in the spectrum display.? A good Norton low noise pre-amp helps a lot on 15-10 meters.
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Someday when I have time, I have been ¡°retired¡± for over 21 years, I will make some measurements using my HP-8640 generators and HP-8566 spectrum analyzer to see if the mixer noise changes with frequency and how much my antenna noise changes to get an idea of the signal-to-noise ratio for different bands.? I would expect the OP-Amp noise to be pretty constant and the noise level in my Delta 44 sound card to also be constant.? But I need to do some research and measurements on the Tayloe mixer to see how it performs at different frequencies.
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Mike? W6MXV? in KY
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Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: softrock40
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Sorry Alan but I have to disagree.

It, of course, depends on your definition of sensitivity. When a given level of RF input produces the same level of IF output then, by my definition of sensitivity, the "sensitivity" of the receiver is the same on all bands. And that is the case with the Softrocks platform.

The only gain in the Softrocks receivers is supplied by the op amps. The op amps operate over the same frequency range no matter what the operating frequency you choose. The only difference in "sensitivity" for a Softrocks at 28 MHz versus 1.8 MHz is the loss in the filters and in the mixer. And, over the range of 2-30 MHz, in a properly built RXII, that difference has been shown to be negligible.

The attenuators are in line in the low ranges of the RXII not because the receiver gain or "sensitivity" is greater at those frequencies, but because high power interference is more prevalent at those frequencies. Once a high power signal is applied to the op amps to the point that they overload then the overall performance of the receiver is greatly degraded. That can easily happen from 1-10 MHz.... and rarely above.

The fact that Roger's RXII does not produce a noise rise at 24 MHz, when his reference receiver does using the same antenna, indicates that the total gain of the Softrocks system is insufficient to overcome the noise of the sound card. This has been demonstrated not to be a design problem so there is either too much loss in the filter/mixer or insufficient gain in the op amp/PC input.

Warren Allgyer
9V1TD


---In softrock40@..., wrote :

Original Message -----
Subject: [softrock40] Re: softrock40


>
> I have long since removed the attenuator from the two low ranges just so I could use the RXII for such measurements. As you can
> see, the sensitivity is within 2 dB across this range. This is a standard build with no heroics other than removal of the
> attenuators.
>

Roger, Warren,

These attenuators are there because the Softrock is too sensitive on the lower bands when used with a good TX antenna. In fact I've
put an attenuator in a LF RXTX.

> I don't think you are going to find a substantial fault in the design that contributes to insensitivity. It is much more likely
> that the title of your post is correct and there is a soldering issue somewhere. :-)

But there are not any in the higher bands on an Ensemble RX because antenna noise is (should be) lower on the higher frequencies.
The fact that the snsitivity is the same over the whole range does not mean it's sensitive enough on the higher frequencies.
Yes, I remember Warren, you think your Softrocks are sensitive enough on 10m:)
Maybe my Softrocks are different.
Personally I do not think a soldering issue is likely to make a few dB difference, more likely a few tens of dBs?

73 Alan G4ZFQ

>
> The MFJ is a great diagnostic tool. It's output is a little rich and will overload the receiver (but will not hurt it) if you
> connect it directly. But if you can put a 20 dB pad in the ouput then, as you tune across the bands, you should see pretty close
> to the same levels. It is a great tool for the RXII to check as you cross band boundaries and be sure your filters are ok.
>
> Hope that helps. Let us know how you make out.
>


Re: HDSDR - FLDIGI and RXTX Ensemble

 

Hi...

Where can we find this article?

Thanks

Bill....wa8bda


On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:28 AM, <iz2oos@...> wrote:
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All is now correctly interfaced thanks to the article by Wes Hartman!



Re: softrock40

 

Sorry Alan but I have to disagree.

It, of course, depends on your definition of sensitivity. When a given level of RF input produces the same level of IF output then, by my definition of sensitivity, the "sensitivity" of the receiver is the same on all bands. And that is the case with the Softrocks platform.

The only gain in the Softrocks receivers is supplied by the op amps. The op amps operate over the same frequency range no matter what the operating frequency you choose. The only difference in "sensitivity" for a Softrocks at 28 MHz versus 1.8 MHz is the loss in the filters and in the mixer. And, over the range of 2-30 MHz, in a properly built RXII, that difference has been shown to be negligible.

The attenuators are in line in the low ranges of the RXII not because the receiver gain or "sensitivity" is greater at those frequencies, but because high power interference is more prevalent at those frequencies. Once a high power signal is applied to the op amps to the point that they overload then the overall performance of the receiver is greatly degraded. That can easily happen from 1-10 MHz.... and rarely above.

The fact that Roger's RXII does not produce a noise rise at 24 MHz, when his reference receiver does using the same antenna, indicates that the total gain of the Softrocks system is insufficient to overcome the noise of the sound card. This has been demonstrated not to be a design problem so there is either too much loss in the filter/mixer or insufficient gain in the op amp/PC input.

Warren Allgyer
9V1TD


---In softrock40@..., <alan4alan@...> wrote :

Original Message -----
Subject: [softrock40] Re: softrock40


>
> I have long since removed the attenuator from the two low ranges just so I could use the RXII for such measurements. As you can
> see, the sensitivity is within 2 dB across this range. This is a standard build with no heroics other than removal of the
> attenuators.
>

Roger, Warren,

These attenuators are there because the Softrock is too sensitive on the lower bands when used with a good TX antenna. In fact I've
put an attenuator in a LF RXTX.

> I don't think you are going to find a substantial fault in the design that contributes to insensitivity. It is much more likely
> that the title of your post is correct and there is a soldering issue somewhere. :-)

But there are not any in the higher bands on an Ensemble RX because antenna noise is (should be) lower on the higher frequencies.
The fact that the snsitivity is the same over the whole range does not mean it's sensitive enough on the higher frequencies.
Yes, I remember Warren, you think your Softrocks are sensitive enough on 10m:)
Maybe my Softrocks are different.
Personally I do not think a soldering issue is likely to make a few dB difference, more likely a few tens of dBs?

73 Alan G4ZFQ

>
> The MFJ is a great diagnostic tool. It's output is a little rich and will overload the receiver (but will not hurt it) if you
> connect it directly. But if you can put a 20 dB pad in the ouput then, as you tune across the bands, you should see pretty close
> to the same levels. It is a great tool for the RXII to check as you cross band boundaries and be sure your filters are ok.
>
> Hope that helps. Let us know how you make out.
>


Re: softrock40

Alan
 

Original Message -----
Subject: [softrock40] Re: softrock40



I have long since removed the attenuator from the two low ranges just so I could use the RXII for such measurements. As you can see, the sensitivity is within 2 dB across this range. This is a standard build with no heroics other than removal of the attenuators.
Roger, Warren,

These attenuators are there because the Softrock is too sensitive on the lower bands when used with a good TX antenna. In fact I've put an attenuator in a LF RXTX.

I don't think you are going to find a substantial fault in the design that contributes to insensitivity. It is much more likely that the title of your post is correct and there is a soldering issue somewhere. :-)
But there are not any in the higher bands on an Ensemble RX because antenna noise is (should be) lower on the higher frequencies.
The fact that the snsitivity is the same over the whole range does not mean it's sensitive enough on the higher frequencies.
Yes, I remember Warren, you think your Softrocks are sensitive enough on 10m:)
Maybe my Softrocks are different.
Personally I do not think a soldering issue is likely to make a few dB difference, more likely a few tens of dBs?

73 Alan G4ZFQ


The MFJ is a great diagnostic tool. It's output is a little rich and will overload the receiver (but will not hurt it) if you connect it directly. But if you can put a 20 dB pad in the ouput then, as you tune across the bands, you should see pretty close to the same levels. It is a great tool for the RXII to check as you cross band boundaries and be sure your filters are ok.

Hope that helps. Let us know how you make out.


Re: softrock40

 

Hi Roger

I have an Ensemble RXII and I have done measurements in the past that indicated to me that it's sensitivity was pretty uniform across the 160 - 10 meter range. I just made a quick check with a signal generator calibrated at -73 dBm using HDSDR, where I set this level for S9 on 20 meters. Here is what I measured:
1.840 ??? -73
3.540??? -73.5
7.040??? -73
10.140??? -72
14.040??? -73 (calibration point)
18.240??? -71
21.040??? -70
24.040??? -71
28.040??? -74

I have long since removed the attenuator from the two low ranges just so I could use the RXII for such measurements. As you can see, the sensitivity is within 2 dB across this range. This is a standard build with no heroics other than removal of the attenuators.

I don't think you are going to find a substantial fault in the design that contributes to insensitivity. It is much more likely that the title of your post is correct and there is a soldering issue somewhere. :-)

The MFJ is a great diagnostic tool. It's output is a little rich and will overload the receiver (but will not hurt it) if you connect it directly. But if you can put a 20 dB pad in the ouput then, as you tune across the bands, you should see pretty close to the same levels. It is a great tool for the RXII to check as you cross band boundaries and be sure your filters are ok.

Hope that helps. Let us know how you make out.

Warren Allgyer
9V1TD




---In softrock40@..., <tharlam@...> wrote :

The sensitivity of my SoftRock Ensemble II is not adequate on 12 meters. This unit was purchased assembled and tested.

On 12 mtrs, on a good day, the band noise on my yagi is very low, but (just) above the sensitivity floor of my ICOM 738. The band noise is below the floor of the SoftRock however.

I checked the design of the bandpass filters to see if that might be the problem. According to a SPICE network analysis, the passband of the 8-16 mHz and 16-30 mHz filters is perfect for 50 ohm source and load. Thus, as long as the component values on the board accord with those shown on the schematic parts list, and if the cap Q is adequate at these frequencies, the filters do not appear to be the problem.

Next I checked the input SWR of the SoftRock. While I do not have a lab grade analyzer, I connected my MFJ 259B analyzer to the input of the SoftRock. For all the following tests, the local oscillator frequency was about 10 kHz above the test frequency. Measured input impedances were:

1.810 mHz: R=37, X=8, SWR=1.4.
??? At this frequency the bandpass filter is preceded by a resistor attenuator,
??? so a good SWR is to be expected.
14.193 mHz: R=10, X=28, SWR=5.9
24.944 mHz: R=16, X=44, SWR=5.5
28.010 mHz: R=229, X=178, SWR=5.7.

Assuming that the filters are correct, then I infer from these measurements that there is a problem with the load presented to the filters.
Assuming resistive impedances (and that I did the calculation correctly), an SWR of 5.5:1 corresponds to a loss of about 10 dB over that of a perfectly matched load. This could well be the sensitivity difference I observed between the ICOM and the SoftRock.

Has anyone else done sensitivity or input impedance measurements of the Ensemble II rx?

Does anyone on this list have the expertise (I certainly do not) to analyze the sampling mixer circuit including the coupling transformer to determine what impedance this is presenting to the filter?

Thank you.

Roger, VE7VV


Re: HDSDR - FLDIGI and RXTX Ensemble

 

All is now correctly interfaced thanks to the article by Wes Hartman!


Re: SoftRock Ensemble II - inadequate sensitivity - transformer problem?

Alan
 

Original Message -----
Subject: [softrock40] SoftRock Ensemble II - inadequate sensitivity - transformer problem?


The sensitivity of my SoftRock Ensemble II is not adequate on 12 meters. This unit was purchased assembled and tested.

On 12 mtrs, on a good day, the band noise on my yagi is very low, but (just) above the sensitivity floor of my ICOM 738. The band
noise is below the floor of the SoftRock however.
Roger,

It is my opinion, backed up by some others, that the Softrock is just not sensitive enough for the higher bands. (But others, maybe
with a higher noise floor? disagree.)
I have several Softrocks covering up to 10m. In all cases the op-amp noise is the limiting factor. I have added an 8dB RF preamp to
overcome this.
With a low noise soundcard it may be possible to reduce the gain of the opamps but I have not properly invesigated this.
I have disabled the mixer and saw no change it the Softrock noise level. That's why I think the op-amp noise is the problem.


73 Alan G4ZFQ

I checked the design of the bandpass filters to see if that might be the problem. According to a SPICE network analysis, the
passband of the 8-16 mHz and 16-30 mHz filters is perfect for 50 ohm source and load. Thus, as long as the component values on the
board accord with those shown on the schematic parts list, and if the cap Q is adequate at these frequencies, the filters do not
appear to be the problem.

Next I checked the input SWR of the SoftRock. While I do not have a lab grade analyzer, I connected my MFJ 259B analyzer to the
input of the SoftRock. For all the following tests, the local oscillator frequency was about 10 kHz above the test frequency.
Measured input impedances were:

1.810 mHz: R=37, X=8, SWR=1.4.
At this frequency the bandpass filter is preceded by a resistor attenuator,
so a good SWR is to be expected.
14.193 mHz: R=10, X=28, SWR=5.9
24.944 mHz: R=16, X=44, SWR=5.5
28.010 mHz: R=229, X=178, SWR=5.7.

Assuming that the filters are correct, then I infer from these measurements that there is a problem with the load presented to the
filters.
Assuming resistive impedances (and that I did the calculation correctly), an SWR of 5.5:1 corresponds to a loss of about 10 dB
over that of a perfectly matched load. This could well be the sensitivity difference I observed between the ICOM and the SoftRock.

Has anyone else done sensitivity or input impedance measurements of the Ensemble II rx?

Does anyone on this list have the expertise (I certainly do not) to analyze the sampling mixer circuit including the coupling
transformer to determine what impedance this is presenting to the filter?


Re: RXTX Ensemble Local Oscillator Test

 

Yup, it was reversed D1/D2 diodes. ?Now on to the oscillator tests!


Re: usb / attiny problems during build ...

 

Ugg, I wish I'd read this about 4 hours ago. ?I had the same symptoms, and sure enough, D1 and D2 were reversed...


SoftRock Ensemble II - inadequate sensitivity - transformer problem?

 

The sensitivity of my SoftRock Ensemble II is not adequate on 12 meters. This unit was purchased assembled and tested.

On 12 mtrs, on a good day, the band noise on my yagi is very low, but (just) above the sensitivity floor of my ICOM 738. The band noise is below the floor of the SoftRock however.

I checked the design of the bandpass filters to see if that might be the problem. According to a SPICE network analysis, the passband of the 8-16 mHz and 16-30 mHz filters is perfect for 50 ohm source and load. Thus, as long as the component values on the board accord with those shown on the schematic parts list, and if the cap Q is adequate at these frequencies, the filters do not appear to be the problem.

Next I checked the input SWR of the SoftRock. While I do not have a lab grade analyzer, I connected my MFJ 259B analyzer to the input of the SoftRock. For all the following tests, the local oscillator frequency was about 10 kHz above the test frequency. Measured input impedances were:

1.810 mHz: R=37, X=8, SWR=1.4.
??? At this frequency the bandpass filter is preceded by a resistor attenuator,
??? so a good SWR is to be expected.
14.193 mHz: R=10, X=28, SWR=5.9
24.944 mHz: R=16, X=44, SWR=5.5
28.010 mHz: R=229, X=178, SWR=5.7.

Assuming that the filters are correct, then I infer from these measurements that there is a problem with the load presented to the filters.
Assuming resistive impedances (and that I did the calculation correctly), an SWR of 5.5:1 corresponds to a loss of about 10 dB over that of a perfectly matched load. This could well be the sensitivity difference I observed between the ICOM and the SoftRock.

Has anyone else done sensitivity or input impedance measurements of the Ensemble II rx?

Does anyone on this list have the expertise (I certainly do not) to analyze the sampling mixer circuit including the coupling transformer to determine what impedance this is presenting to the filter?

Thank you.

Roger, VE7VV


Re: RXTX Ensemble Local Oscillator Test

Cecil Bayona
 

Rarely is the problem the ATTINY85 chip, it can happen but usually you have a hardware or software issue.

Check for solder shorts, chips in backwards, power problems, make sure the diodes in the USB lines are not backwards. I would work with it on Windows 7 to get the board going, if it's 64 bit Windows, then you need the certified drivers.

At 10:12 PM 3/28/2014, you wrote:


Hello all,

I'm having the same issue as the original poster. I purchased an Ensemble RXTX from Tony back in 2011, and didn't actually start working on it until this week. I'm at the LO testing stage, and also can not get the ATtiny85 chip to get recognized on multiple Windows 7 boxes, a Macbook Pro, and a copy of Linux Mint. I've tried all the steps that are listed on the web pages, and I'm stumped. I've reworked the connections, checked all the resistors, and I'm at the point where I think I might need to get a new ATtiny85 chip.

Has anyone come across this? Is there a way to get the firmware so I can try and flash a new chip with AVRDude and an Arduino? Can I order a new ATtiny85 and Si570 (might as well, just in case one gets fixed and the other fails...)?

Thanks in advance!

Cody
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< > < >

Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.


Re: RXTX Ensemble Local Oscillator Test

 

Hello all,

I'm having the same issue as the original poster. ?I purchased an Ensemble RXTX from Tony back in 2011, and didn't actually start working on it until this week. ?I'm at the LO testing stage, and also can not get the ATtiny85 chip to get recognized on multiple Windows 7 boxes, a Macbook Pro, and a copy of Linux Mint. ?I've tried all the steps that are listed on the web pages, and I'm stumped. ??I've reworked the connections, checked all the resistors, and I'm at the point where I think I might need to get a new ATtiny85 chip.?

Has anyone come across this? ?Is there a way to get the firmware so I can try and flash a new chip with AVRDude and an Arduino? ?Can I order a new ATtiny85 and Si570 (might as well, just in case one gets fixed and the other fails...)?

Thanks in advance!

Cody


Re: Suggestions for an amp to use with my SR RXTX?

 

Jim,
My Hardrock with pre-amp is on it's way today (shipped)
2 Things please.
1) How hard is it going to be to wind all the coils? What is the details on getting pre-wound coils?
2) I have a alpha 91b amp I want to hook up to the Softrock TXRX?- Hardrock setup. I will only need 15-20 watts out of the HR.
With this setup, how do I go about the amp switching?
The Alpha today works well with the Ten-tec Orion II I have.
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Looking forward to getting the kit and getting it on-the-air!
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Thanks,
Lee
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-----Original Message-----
From: jim.veatch
To: softrock40
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: [softrock40] RE: Suggestions for an amp to use with my SR RXTX?

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Hi Lee,

Yes that's a problem, we don't actually have any at the moment. We've made some improvements and are in the process of producing another 200 amplifier kits which will be available for pre-order in the next few weeks and shipping in early March. I have the prototype up and running on my bench right now. The lastest improvements are:

1. FCC Type Acceptance - the HR50 meets or exceeds FCC spectral purity requirements.
2. Fully machined enclosure - no drilling required.
3. Transceiver interface ready - plug and play with KX3, Flex-1500, Softrock ...
4. Diode T/R switch (QSK) option.
5. RG-316 coax for jumpers instead of RG-174.
6. Pre-wound toroid kits available.

We've included lots of input from builders to make it an enjoyable kit.

73's
Jim WA2EUJ


HDSDR - FLDIGI and RXTX Ensemble

 

Hello,

I see now 1 watt output from my RXTX Ensemble... so it works with HDSDR!!!
Next step: using Fldigi with HDSDR and the isuue is PTT. As I send a message from Fldigi it should switch the RXTX in transmit mode via HDSDR. I installed for this com0com but really don't know how to set both Fldigi and HDSDR! com0com has produced two virtual com ports: com19 and com20. Which settings should I use in Fldigi and HDSDR?

73,

Franco iz2oos




Re: Tx Switch?

 

Fred,
I use the DXE RTR 1A in their instructions I use scenario 10.
Bill?
KD8IGK


Re: Softrock Lite II Smoked R1 R2

 

I replaced R1, R2, and the 5V regulator, as it had shorted on 2 pins, plugged board in, new 5V reg gets super hot instantly so I just powered it back off until I replace the other IC's.?? Haven't had time to look at the schematic to see what could be wrong or test the pins on the other IC's.? Guess I will have to move that RX antenna or unplug it when I run my Amplifier on the low bands.??

Thanks,

Chris
KF5JMD


Re: Softrock Lite II Smoked R1 R2

Robert Bajuk
 

Hi Chris,

I have similar experience 2 years ago, R1 and R2 were smoked including IC.

73 Robert, S57AW



On 27. mar. 2014, kf5jmd@... wrote:
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Operating my station tonight on 40 meters, using my AL-811H running about 600 watts.? Afterwards,? I went to check my WebSDR server and noticed the 40 meter radio was out, took cover off the box it's mounted in (5 Lite II boards total in the box, all on same RX antenna) and noticed that R1 and R2 on the 40M radio are smoked?? Any ideas?? The antenna for these radios is pretty close to my low-band TX'ing station antenna, so I am sure it soaked up some RF, but I wouldn't have thought enough to really hurt it, have ran the amplifier on 10M forever, never had an issue with the SDR radios till I ran it on 40 meters, usually on 40 I just run rig power 100 watts, same antennas as tonight and never had a problem. The 10M antenna is quite a ways away from the SDR RX antenna, so I think maybe I might have to move the SDR RX antenna away from my 40M antenna......? Suggestions??? If R1 and R2 are smoked is it likely an IC is smoked as well?

Thanks,

Chris
KF5JMD


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Softrock Lite II Smoked R1 R2

 

Operating my station tonight on 40 meters, using my AL-811H running about 600 watts.? Afterwards,? I went to check my WebSDR server and noticed the 40 meter radio was out, took cover off the box it's mounted in (5 Lite II boards total in the box, all on same RX antenna) and noticed that R1 and R2 on the 40M radio are smoked?? Any ideas?? The antenna for these radios is pretty close to my low-band TX'ing station antenna, so I am sure it soaked up some RF, but I wouldn't have thought enough to really hurt it, have ran the amplifier on 10M forever, never had an issue with the SDR radios till I ran it on 40 meters, usually on 40 I just run rig power 100 watts, same antennas as tonight and never had a problem. The 10M antenna is quite a ways away from the SDR RX antenna, so I think maybe I might have to move the SDR RX antenna away from my 40M antenna......? Suggestions??? If R1 and R2 are smoked is it likely an IC is smoked as well?

Thanks,

Chris
KF5JMD


Re: Linux QUISK: issue with .quisk_conf.py. line "from softrock import hardware_usb as quisk_hardware"

Sid Boyce
 

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What "fuser -v /dev/snd/*" is saying is that cards 0 and 1 are available to pulseaudio, started by user ubuntu and that quisk (python) run as root is connected to both cards via pulseaudio, accessible and writeable so all looks fine.
73 ... Sid.

On 26/03/14 00:53, Sid Boyce wrote:
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Looking at this, running as root should be OK as root has access to everything. Also user "ubuntu" seems to be owner of pulseaudio.

Regarding adding the user to the groups
sudo usermod -a -G audio ubuntu
sudo usermod -a -G audio pulse
sudo usermod -a -G pulse ubuntu
sudo usermod -a -G pulse-access ubuntu
73 ... Sid.

On 25/03/14 23:36, iz2oos@... wrote:
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Running sudo fuser -v /dev/snd/* together with quisk I get:
??????????????????
USER??????? PID ACCESS COMMAND
/dev/snd/controlC0:? ubuntu???? 2345 F.... pulseaudio
/dev/snd/controlC1:? ubuntu???? 2345 F.... pulseaudio
/dev/snd/pcmC1D0c:?? root?????? 2880 F...m python
/dev/snd/pcmC1D0p:?? root?????? 2880 F...m python



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Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support
Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach
Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks


Re: Build web pages Ensemble II RX

 

Did you copy the Si570 ExtIO dll from one of the locations I sent in a web post/email last weekend?? ( for example?)


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:19 AM, KF5ULI <angiharrover@...> wrote:
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Just wish I could get mine to work :(

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Kc9cdt@... wrote:

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Kevin,
You will love the radio it works superbly!
73,
Lee, KC9CDT
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Timm <kevindtimm@...>
To: softrock40 <softrock40@...>
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: [softrock40] Re: Build web pages Ensemble II RX

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Robby,

Thanks for the response, glad to know that I am trying hard enough to find the information (and that I haven't gone blind)

Also, I'm enjoying the heck out of the build and looking forward to completion and use of the radio!

Kevin
K5KDT


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:58 PM, R. R. (Robby) Robson <rrrobson@...> wrote:
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Kevin:

You are correct. ?I failed to update the BOM and build notes with the impact of the change mentioned in the Five-Dash message. ?Mea culpa.


On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Kevin Timm <kevindtimm@...> wrote:
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Ah ha, that's what I have missed - thanks to both Milt and Lee - but I still stand by my statement that the BOM and Schematics do not mention the 27gauge wire for L1-L12 (it's only location is in the Yahoo Group)

Kevin
K5KDT


On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Milt Cram <w8nue@...> wrote:
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On 3/24/2014 10:10 AM, Kevin Timm wrote:
I am trying hard and so I must be blind. Note that I quoted previously the same line you mentioned (re: Design Change and New PCB Layout) so that sentence is not lost on me.

My request is for anyone to find a reference to 27 gauge wire anywhere in the instructions (except for the sentence that we all agree mentions 27 gauge wire on the main page -- )

Again, barring the main page:
I have searched each web page for the number 27, only mentions are a .27uh inductor and the R27 resistor
I have searched the BOM - nada
I have searched the BOM Xref - nada

Note that in those last two, they both reference 30ga magwire numerous times, as does the bpf page, but 27ga ......

Please point me to the page/sentence/phrase that tells me where to use 27ga wire.

Kevin
K5KDT

PS - the last line of the inventory sheet () says :
6 / wire / Magnetic / Magnetic Wire, enameled #30 / Magnetic Wire, enameled #30
No mention of any other wire

The last line of the BOM page says:
wire / Magnetic / Magnetic Wire, enameled #30 / 6
No mention of any other wire


On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Cecil Bayona <cbayona@...> wrote:
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Sorry, but you are not trying very hard, in the paragraph labelled
"Design Change and New PCB Layout" the second paragraph from the top
it clearly states about 27 gauge wire and that it should be used in
L1 through L12 in the Band Pass stage.

The email just below mine states the same thing, twice for emphasis,
but you must read the page and not skim over it.


At 08:51 AM 3/24/2014, you wrote:
>
>On that page (or any other page) where is there mention of 27ga wire?
>
>On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Chris Wilson
><chris@...>chris@...> wrote:
>
>I have just looked at the BPF page and it shows comprehensive details
>as to what wire various inductors should be wound with. Are we singing
>from the same hymn sheet?
>
><>

>
>Best Regards,
>Chris Wilson. 2E0ILY (UK)
>
> > That page says "other changes have to do with the use of 27 gauge
> > vs #30 gauge wire in certain of the coils L1-L12 in the BPF stage.
> > New winding instructions are now reflected on the relevant BOMs."
>
> > Unfortunately, the pages for the BPF's don't say anything about 27
> > gauge wire (nor do any other pages).

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Kevin,

Did you follow the link to the email in the Yahoo Groups?

Here is the content:
Good Afternoon All,

Recently we at used up our supply of RX Ensemble II circuit boards with the date 6/15/10 printed on the board. The 6/15/10 version of the RX Ensemble II circuit board had the layout issue for T1 and T2 where either the primary winding leads or the secondary winding leads of each transformer needed to be crossed for best operation of the receiver.

The T1/T2 layout issue has now been corrected with the circuit boards to be supplied in the RX Ensemble II kit from this date forward. The date on the new board is 6/20/13.

One additional change in the RX Ensemble II kit materials has been made where thirty-six feet of #27 AWG wire along with four feet of #30 AWG wire are now supplied in the kit. The heaver gage #27 wire is for winding L1 through L12 so that the inductors will stand upright in a better way on the finished receiver board. The #30 lighter gage wire is still needed for winding T1 through T3 transformers. The bill of materials and the schematic pages on our website have been updated to include these changes.

Thanks very much for your kit orders and I always hope people are having fun with the kits and find them useful.

Thanks and 73,
Tony KB9YIG

This clearly describes the usage of the #27 wire.

Milt,
W8NUE





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