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Alan et all

That is a great find. and unlike many of the other relay boards out there, It has actual specs, documentation and a schematic.

A bit pricey but not bad. In the end I am going to need more than 8 relays though. I looked and didn't find one by these guys. , but the Amazooooo search engine was designed by a frustrated rat psychologist. They appear to be a real player in the new tech area (3D printing) , not just another Great Wall Knock Off shop

I? am starting with this one recommended in an earlier thread a few months back



But like many there is no real documentation that I could find so far . It takes 12V DC and has a 5V output regulator which I am guessing could be used to power the R-PI rather using the USB supply . My remote antenna switch uses 12V relays

Dave
NR1DX

On 8/14/2021 6:05 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
I call that the "plate of spaghetti" phase of the project.

I found these boards were very helpful in cleaning up a project. ?Combines a 12v to 5v power supply (RF clean), Raspberry Pi mounting and eight GPIO built into the board and wired in, relays.

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One word of caution.

The 12v board you show is probably of the optical isolation type circuit.? The "input" side is an optical diode, that when set to ground, via the GPIO pin, operates the other side of the circuit, via a transistor, with its collector at 12v, where the 12v relay coil resides.

Be sure the "input" optical diode high side is no more than 5v. ? Any voltage greater than 5v, will "toast" the GPIO pin.

Since your board references a 5v power supply, it looks like that may be the case.

Here is a "typical" relay diagram

Relay.png

Alan

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 9:59 AM Dave / NR1DX <manuals@...> wrote:
Alan et all

That is a great find. and unlike many of the other relay boards out
there, It has actual specs, documentation and a schematic.

A bit pricey but not bad. In the end I am going to need more than 8
relays though. I looked and didn't find one by these guys. , but the
Amazooooo search engine was designed by a frustrated rat psychologist.
They appear to be a real player in the new tech area (3D printing) , not
just another Great Wall Knock Off shop

I? am starting with this one recommended in an earlier thread a few
months back



But like many there is no real documentation that I could find so far .
It takes 12V DC and has a 5V output regulator which I am guessing could
be used to power the R-PI rather using the USB supply . My remote
antenna switch uses 12V relays

Dave
NR1DX

On 8/14/2021 6:05 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
> I call that the "plate of spaghetti" phase of the project.
>
> I found these boards were very helpful in cleaning up a project.
> ?Combines a 12v to 5v power supply (RF clean), Raspberry Pi mounting
> and eight GPIO built into the board and wired in, relays.
>
>
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>
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I looked thru the Q&A for the board. ?It appears the 12V is hardwired to both the optocoupler and the relay coil. ?In that case, the GPIO pin will fail.

I see a poster to the comments section complained his Raspberry Pi failed shortly after connecting the board to his GPIO pins. ?12V on a GPIO pin will do that.

You want a 5v board, or a board with a "jumper", that allows isolation of the Optocoupler from the Relay coil VCC supplies.

A quick search on Amazon found this 16 relay board, with a 5V optocoupler. ?Probably more appropriate for your use case.

https://www.amazon.com/Organizer-16-Channel-Interface-Optocoupler-Arduino/dp/B07Y2X4F77/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=16+relay+module&qid=1628952615&sr=8-4

Alan


 

Interesting

The 5V board they show is identical to the 12V board with the 5V regulator circuit removed ( upper left hand corner. of the Pic#4... LM2576 and 3 caps gone, populated on the 12V version) and likely the 12V input now 5V and hardwired to where the output of the of the LM2576 5V regulator chip was. The item description incorrectly states ( probably copy and paste error) that it has a LM2576 regulator for the ( in this case) Arduino...8^).

Both boards use the same 5V relays

I had been doing my testing last night with a different 5V , 8 relay board ... I'll verify all that before I connect the 16realy board to the pi

?Dave
NR1DX

On 8/14/2021 10:54 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
I looked thru the Q&A for the board. ?It appears the 12V is hardwired to both the optocoupler and the relay coil. ?In that case, the GPIO pin will fail.

I see a poster to the comments section complained his Raspberry Pi failed shortly after connecting the board to his GPIO pins. ?12V on a GPIO pin will do that.

You want a 5v board, or a board with a "jumper", that allows isolation of the Optocoupler from the Relay coil VCC supplies.

A quick search on Amazon found this 16 relay board, with a 5V optocoupler. ?Probably more appropriate for your use case.



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Alan

I just went out and traced/ measured the circuits

1) I stand corrected the 12V board uses 12V relays
2) On this board the T1/D1/R2 is a separate chip (array of 8) tied to 12V bus
3) the Optocouplers output side is tied to the 5V bus (from the LM2576 chip) not the 12V Bus
4) The voltage at idle on "IN1" in your diagram is anywhere from 0 to 5V depending on how long the pin is has been open? kind of a charge build up leakage thing I would guess thing (I guess?)
5) A voltage at IN1 anywhere between about 1.35V and 3.6 v will fire the optocoupler and thus the relay. Above or below these voltages no relay action
6) R1 is 1K, r2 is I think internal to chip darlington relay driver...I can send the chip number if your really interested

In general my impression is this board is "OK" to use with the PI...your thoughts?

If I had a good CAD/schematic program , I would finish reverse engineering? and publish the schematic

Dave
NR1DX

On 8/14/2021 10:37 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
One word of caution.

The 12v board you show is probably of the optical isolation type circuit. The "input" side is an optical diode, that when set to ground, via the GPIO pin, operates the other side of the circuit, via a transistor, with its collector at 12v, where the 12v relay coil resides.

Be sure the "input" optical diode high side is no more than 5v. ? Any voltage greater than 5v, will "toast" the GPIO pin.

Since your board references a 5v power supply, it looks like that may be the case.

Here is a "typical" relay diagram

Relay.png

Alan

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 9:59 AM Dave / NR1DX <manuals@... <mailto:manuals@...>> wrote:

Alan et all

That is a great find. and unlike many of the other relay boards out
there, It has actual specs, documentation and a schematic.

A bit pricey but not bad. In the end I am going to need more than 8
relays though. I looked and didn't find one by these guys. , but the
Amazooooo search engine was designed by a frustrated rat
psychologist.
They appear to be a real player in the new tech area (3D printing)
, not
just another Great Wall Knock Off shop

I? am starting with this one recommended in an earlier thread a few
months back


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But like many there is no real documentation that I could find so
far .
It takes 12V DC and has a 5V output regulator which I am guessing
could
be used to power the R-PI rather using the USB supply . My remote
antenna switch uses 12V relays

Dave
NR1DX

On 8/14/2021 6:05 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
> I call that the "plate of spaghetti" phase of the project.
>
> I found these boards were very helpful in cleaning up a project.
> ?Combines a 12v to 5v power supply (RF clean), Raspberry Pi
mounting
> and eight GPIO built into the board and wired in, relays.
>
>

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Agree......looks good to connect to the GPIO pin

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 12:50 PM Dave / NR1DX <manuals@...> wrote:
Alan

I just went out and traced/ measured the circuits

1) I stand corrected the 12V board uses 12V relays
2) On this board the T1/D1/R2 is a separate chip (array of 8) tied to
12V bus
3) the Optocouplers output side is tied to the 5V bus (from the LM2576
chip) not the 12V Bus
4) The voltage at idle on "IN1" in your diagram is anywhere from 0 to 5V
depending on how long the pin is has been open? kind of a charge build
up leakage thing I would guess thing (I guess?)
5) A voltage at IN1 anywhere between about 1.35V and 3.6 v will fire the
optocoupler and thus the relay. Above or below these voltages no relay
action
6) R1 is 1K, r2 is I think internal to chip darlington relay driver...I
can send the chip number if your really interested

In general my impression is this board is "OK" to use with the PI...your
thoughts?

If I had a good CAD/schematic program , I would finish reverse
engineering? and publish the schematic

Dave
NR1DX


On 8/14/2021 10:37 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
> One word of caution.
>
> The 12v board you show is probably of the optical isolation type
> circuit. The "input" side is an optical diode, that when set to
> ground, via the GPIO pin, operates the other side of the circuit, via
> a transistor, with its collector at 12v, where the 12v relay coil resides.
>
> Be sure the "input" optical diode high side is no more than 5v. ? Any
> voltage greater than 5v, will "toast" the GPIO pin.
>
> Since your board references a 5v power supply, it looks like that may
> be the case.
>
> Here is a "typical" relay diagram
>
> Relay.png
>
> Alan
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 9:59 AM Dave / NR1DX <manuals@...
> <mailto:manuals@...>> wrote:
>
>? ? ?Alan et all
>
>? ? ?That is a great find. and unlike many of the other relay boards out
>? ? ?there, It has actual specs, documentation and a schematic.
>
>? ? ?A bit pricey but not bad. In the end I am going to need more than 8
>? ? ?relays though. I looked and didn't find one by these guys. , but the
>? ? ?Amazooooo search engine was designed by a frustrated rat
>? ? ?psychologist.
>? ? ?They appear to be a real player in the new tech area (3D printing)
>? ? ?, not
>? ? ?just another Great Wall Knock Off shop
>
>? ? ?I? am starting with this one recommended in an earlier thread a few
>? ? ?months back
>
>? ? ?
>? ? ?<>
>
>? ? ?But like many there is no real documentation that I could find so
>? ? ?far .
>? ? ?It takes 12V DC and has a 5V output regulator which I am guessing
>? ? ?could
>? ? ?be used to power the R-PI rather using the USB supply . My remote
>? ? ?antenna switch uses 12V relays
>
>? ? ?Dave
>? ? ?NR1DX
>
>? ? ?On 8/14/2021 6:05 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
>? ? ?> I call that the "plate of spaghetti" phase of the project.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?> I found these boards were very helpful in cleaning up a project.
>? ? ?> ?Combines a 12v to 5v power supply (RF clean), Raspberry Pi
>? ? ?mounting
>? ? ?> and eight GPIO built into the board and wired in, relays.
>? ? ?>
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Dave

FYI, link to a GPIO pin electrical specifications document:



Alan

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 12:50 PM Dave / NR1DX <manuals@...> wrote:
Alan

I just went out and traced/ measured the circuits

1) I stand corrected the 12V board uses 12V relays
2) On this board the T1/D1/R2 is a separate chip (array of 8) tied to
12V bus
3) the Optocouplers output side is tied to the 5V bus (from the LM2576
chip) not the 12V Bus
4) The voltage at idle on "IN1" in your diagram is anywhere from 0 to 5V
depending on how long the pin is has been open? kind of a charge build
up leakage thing I would guess thing (I guess?)
5) A voltage at IN1 anywhere between about 1.35V and 3.6 v will fire the
optocoupler and thus the relay. Above or below these voltages no relay
action
6) R1 is 1K, r2 is I think internal to chip darlington relay driver...I
can send the chip number if your really interested

In general my impression is this board is "OK" to use with the PI...your
thoughts?

If I had a good CAD/schematic program , I would finish reverse
engineering? and publish the schematic

Dave
NR1DX


On 8/14/2021 10:37 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
> One word of caution.
>
> The 12v board you show is probably of the optical isolation type
> circuit. The "input" side is an optical diode, that when set to
> ground, via the GPIO pin, operates the other side of the circuit, via
> a transistor, with its collector at 12v, where the 12v relay coil resides.
>
> Be sure the "input" optical diode high side is no more than 5v. ? Any
> voltage greater than 5v, will "toast" the GPIO pin.
>
> Since your board references a 5v power supply, it looks like that may
> be the case.
>
> Here is a "typical" relay diagram
>
> Relay.png
>
> Alan
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 9:59 AM Dave / NR1DX <manuals@...
> <mailto:manuals@...>> wrote:
>
>? ? ?Alan et all
>
>? ? ?That is a great find. and unlike many of the other relay boards out
>? ? ?there, It has actual specs, documentation and a schematic.
>
>? ? ?A bit pricey but not bad. In the end I am going to need more than 8
>? ? ?relays though. I looked and didn't find one by these guys. , but the
>? ? ?Amazooooo search engine was designed by a frustrated rat
>? ? ?psychologist.
>? ? ?They appear to be a real player in the new tech area (3D printing)
>? ? ?, not
>? ? ?just another Great Wall Knock Off shop
>
>? ? ?I? am starting with this one recommended in an earlier thread a few
>? ? ?months back
>
>? ? ?
>? ? ?<>
>
>? ? ?But like many there is no real documentation that I could find so
>? ? ?far .
>? ? ?It takes 12V DC and has a 5V output regulator which I am guessing
>? ? ?could
>? ? ?be used to power the R-PI rather using the USB supply . My remote
>? ? ?antenna switch uses 12V relays
>
>? ? ?Dave
>? ? ?NR1DX
>
>? ? ?On 8/14/2021 6:05 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
>? ? ?> I call that the "plate of spaghetti" phase of the project.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?> I found these boards were very helpful in cleaning up a project.
>? ? ?> ?Combines a 12v to 5v power supply (RF clean), Raspberry Pi
>? ? ?mounting
>? ? ?> and eight GPIO built into the board and wired in, relays.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?
>? ? ?<>
>
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?<
>? ? ?<>>
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?> Alan. WA9WUD
>? ? ?>
>
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>? ? ?Dave Manuals@...
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Be still my beating heart !! ..Real documentation that a fellow can read ...

Thanks (seriously ...all kidding aside). This was a great read and very informative


Dave
NR1DX

On 8/14/2021 1:08 PM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
Dave

FYI, link to a GPIO pin electrical specifications document:

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Alan

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 12:50 PM Dave / NR1DX <manuals@... <mailto:manuals@...>> wrote:

Alan

I just went out and traced/ measured the circuits

1) I stand corrected the 12V board uses 12V relays
2) On this board the T1/D1/R2 is a separate chip (array of 8) tied to
12V bus
3) the Optocouplers output side is tied to the 5V bus (from the
LM2576
chip) not the 12V Bus
4) The voltage at idle on "IN1" in your diagram is anywhere from 0
to 5V
depending on how long the pin is has been open? kind of a charge
build
up leakage thing I would guess thing (I guess?)
5) A voltage at IN1 anywhere between about 1.35V and 3.6 v will
fire the
optocoupler and thus the relay. Above or below these voltages no
relay
action
6) R1 is 1K, r2 is I think internal to chip darlington relay
driver...I
can send the chip number if your really interested

In general my impression is this board is "OK" to use with the
PI...your
thoughts?

If I had a good CAD/schematic program , I would finish reverse
engineering? and publish the schematic

Dave
NR1DX


On 8/14/2021 10:37 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
> One word of caution.
>
> The 12v board you show is probably of the optical isolation type
> circuit. The "input" side is an optical diode, that when set to
> ground, via the GPIO pin, operates the other side of the
circuit, via
> a transistor, with its collector at 12v, where the 12v relay
coil resides.
>
> Be sure the "input" optical diode high side is no more than 5v.
? Any
> voltage greater than 5v, will "toast" the GPIO pin.
>
> Since your board references a 5v power supply, it looks like
that may
> be the case.
>
> Here is a "typical" relay diagram
>
> Relay.png
>
> Alan
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 9:59 AM Dave / NR1DX
<manuals@... <mailto:manuals@...>
> <mailto:manuals@...
<mailto:manuals@...>>> wrote:
>
>? ? ?Alan et all
>
>? ? ?That is a great find. and unlike many of the other relay
boards out
>? ? ?there, It has actual specs, documentation and a schematic.
>
>? ? ?A bit pricey but not bad. In the end I am going to need more
than 8
>? ? ?relays though. I looked and didn't find one by these guys. ,
but the
>? ? ?Amazooooo search engine was designed by a frustrated rat
>? ? ?psychologist.
>? ? ?They appear to be a real player in the new tech area (3D
printing)
>? ? ?, not
>? ? ?just another Great Wall Knock Off shop
>
>? ? ?I? am starting with this one recommended in an earlier
thread a few
>? ? ?months back
>
>

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>? ?
?<
<>>
>
>? ? ?But like many there is no real documentation that I could
find so
>? ? ?far .
>? ? ?It takes 12V DC and has a 5V output regulator which I am
guessing
>? ? ?could
>? ? ?be used to power the R-PI rather using the USB supply . My
remote
>? ? ?antenna switch uses 12V relays
>
>? ? ?Dave
>? ? ?NR1DX
>
>? ? ?On 8/14/2021 6:05 AM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD wrote:
>? ? ?> I call that the "plate of spaghetti" phase of the project.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?> I found these boards were very helpful in cleaning up a
project.
>? ? ?> ?Combines a 12v to 5v power supply (RF clean), Raspberry Pi
>? ? ?mounting
>? ? ?> and eight GPIO built into the board and wired in, relays.
>? ? ?>
>? ? ?>
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