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Hi All

I have created a pdf document for the N male calibration kit mentioned
earlier to day, where the link probably will work better and the data plus
hints are included

Maybe some one want to put it on the WiKi

Kind regards

Kurt

Many thanks, Kurt. I purchased a similar-looking set from eBay a few weeks ago.

- Jeff

put it on the WiKi

done
/g/nanovna-users/wiki/Application-Notes

Kurt,
Thank you for sharing
Praveena
VU2PGB

Hello Kurt,
In order to minimize the confusion of beginners, please change Ohm's Law: R [Ohm] = U [Volt] / I [Ampere] or R = V / A.
73, Rudi DL5FA

Hello Kurt,
I have tried to apply your calibration paper.
I have connected 50 cm RG402 coax cable to the Reference Plane.
The nanoVNA-saver has an additional calibration with 5 segments.
Please see the attached nanoVNA-saver screen capture:
nanoVNA-saver_50cm-RG402-open.png

What can I enter in the window Calibration->Calibration standards in order to improve the measurement?
73, Rudi DL5FA

Hello Rudi
Thank you, point taken. I have made a new version where a few lingual bugs corrected
Kind regards
Kurt

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Hello Kurt,
In order to minimize the confusion of beginners, please change Ohm's Law: R [Ohm] = U [Volt] / I [Ampere] or R = V / A.
73, Rudi DL5FA

Hi Rudi
I do not think there is anything required to add/change for the calibration settings.
There are several possibilities for the deviation you see above 800MHz.
1. Did you use a male SMA to N female adaptor directly fitted to the SMA female adaptor for Ch0 ?
2. Did you before using the NanoVNAuser ensure the NanoVNA was correctly calibrated directely at the NanoVNA Ch0 female adaptor with the supplied calibration kit ? and did a sweep og a 25 to 50cm SMA test cable show better result
3. The test cable is probably too long and shall be a N type cable with no adaptors fitted
4. You NanoVNA has a poor bridge as NanoVNA as far as I know has no internal error correction
There is probably more reasons and it would be better if you explained in details you setup
Kind regards
Kurt

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Hello Kurt,
I have tried to apply your calibration paper.
I have connected 50 cm RG402 coax cable to the Reference Plane.
The nanoVNA-saver has an additional calibration with 5 segments.
Please see the attached nanoVNA-saver screen capture:
nanoVNA-saver_50cm-RG402-open.png

What can I enter in the window Calibration->Calibration standards in order to improve the measurement?
73, Rudi DL5FA

Hello Kurt,
Thank you very much for taking care about my question.
I will write my answers below your questions.

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 10:56 PM, Kurt Poulsen wrote:

1. Did you use a male SMA to N female adaptor directly fitted to the SMA

No.

female adaptor for Ch0 ?

Just a male-female thread saver, as could be seen on the photo.

2. Did you before using the NanoVNAuser ensure the NanoVNA was correctly
calibrated directely at the NanoVNA Ch0 female adaptor with the supplied
calibration kit ?

The nanoVNA was calibrated at the *Reference Plane* shown in the photo.
The used *Calibration Kit* was the supplied one.
The *Open* SMA part was replaced with a *female-female adapter*.

2a. and did a sweep of a 25 to 50cm SMA test cable show better result?

I can not understand the question.

3. The test cable is probably too long and shall be a N type cable with no adaptors fitted

I do not have that.

4. Your NanoVNA has a poor bridge as NanoVNA as far as I know has no internal error correction

I measured the 50 Ohm resistance with a 3 VDC supply and a 4 digit *Ampere meter* and *Volt meter*
The nanoVNA CH0 port shows 49.23 Ohm.
The 50 Ohm load shows 50.72 Ohm.
A self made 50 Ohm load from 2 SMD 0805 100 Ohm 1% resistors in parallel shows 49.99 Ohm (interesting).

There is probably more reasons and it would be better if you explained in details you setup

Please see the attached photo: nanoVNA_50cm-RG402-open2_f-f_DSC08152.jpg

I have attached 2 screen captures from nanoVNA-saver with the S11 measured 50 cm RG402 coax cable.
nanVNA-Saver_50cm-RG402-open2.png - End of RG402 SMA male plug open
nanoVNA-saver_50cm-RG402-open2_f-f.png - End of RG402 male plug with *female-female adapter*
It is interesting how much the *Parallel X* capacity changed.

The nanoVNA-saver has an additional calibration with 5 segments.

What can I enter in the window Calibration->Calibration standards in order to improve the measurement?
73, Rudi DL5FA

Hi Rudi

First of all the use of the testcables from the NanoVNA female SMA adaptor (the SMA male female adaptor saver) to the reference plane is a bad idea. The female female adaptor used during calibration has loss and has influence on the sweep of the semirigid cable sweep so the sweep run outside the Smith chart. Adding the female female adaptor at the end of the semirigid cable is also wrong as the loss in the female female adaptor again creates a wrong trace around the Smithchart. The female female adaptor supplied with the NanoVNA has in particular high loss and any other female female adaptor has some loss to account for.
So do the following:

Directly at the VNA SMA female Ch0 adaptor do a S11 calibration (do not use the supplied open adaptor) and connect you semirigid cable directly afterwards and leave the far end unterminated. Ideally the semirigid cable should end blindly but the SMA male adaptor has little effect loss wise, but it is there despite small and hardly detectable. The big bug is the female female adaptor you must not connect as you did.
When dealing with the N calibration kit then use a SMA male to N female adaptor and at first directly connected to the NanoVNA Ch0 female adaptor. Afterward you may experiment with adding test cables and do the calibration from there where you are forced to use the female female adaptor or better a SMA female to N female adaptor.

Use the NanoVNA saver feature to save the first sweep directly on Ch0 to "Save as Reference" as you then can compare step by step what you are doing.

Do not expect the NanoVNA to beat a more advanced VNA, it still has some shortcoming and you got a version which is characterized by some as a bad clone ?

Kind regards

Kurt



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Hello Kurt,

Thank you very much for taking care about my question.

I will write my answers below your questions.



On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 10:56 PM, Kurt Poulsen wrote:

1. Did you use a male SMA to N female adaptor directly fitted to the

SMA

No.

female adaptor for Ch0 ?

Just a male-female thread saver, as could be seen on the photo.

2. Did you before using the NanoVNAuser ensure the NanoVNA was

correctly calibrated directely at the NanoVNA Ch0 female adaptor with

the supplied calibration kit ?

The nanoVNA was calibrated at the *Reference Plane* shown in the photo.

The used *Calibration Kit* was the supplied one.

The *Open* SMA part was replaced with a *female-female adapter*.

2a. and did a sweep of a 25 to 50cm SMA test cable show better result?

I can not understand the question.

3. The test cable is probably too long and shall be a N type cable

with no adaptors fitted

I do not have that.

4. Your NanoVNA has a poor bridge as NanoVNA as far as I know has no

internal error correction

I measured the 50 Ohm resistance with a 3 VDC supply and a 4 digit *Ampere meter* and *Volt meter* The nanoVNA CH0 port shows 49.23 Ohm.

The 50 Ohm load shows 50.72 Ohm.

A self made 50 Ohm load from 2 SMD 0805 100 Ohm 1% resistors in parallel shows 49.99 Ohm (interesting).

There is probably more reasons and it would be better if you explained

in details you setup

Please see the attached photo: nanoVNA_50cm-RG402-open2_f-f_DSC08152.jpg

I have attached 2 screen captures from nanoVNA-saver with the S11 measured 50 cm RG402 coax cable.

nanVNA-Saver_50cm-RG402-open2.png - End of RG402 SMA male plug open nanoVNA-saver_50cm-RG402-open2_f-f.png - End of RG402 male plug with *female-female adapter* It is interesting how much the *Parallel X* capacity changed.



The nanoVNA-saver has an additional calibration with 5 segments.



What can I enter in the window Calibration->Calibration standards in order to improve the measurement?

73, Rudi DL5FA

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 12:02 PM, Kurt Poulsen wrote:

Do not expect the NanoVNA to beat a more advanced VNA

Hello Kurt,
Thank you for the detailed analysis.

I do not want to tune the nanoVNA to a competitor of a HP VNA.

I just want to make the best out of it with little effort,
finding the weak spots and improve them, like:

73, Rudi DL5FA

Hi Rudi
It was just my sense of humor who got me carried away. You link got me down the memory lane to the NWT4000 I also have. I wrote once a huge manual which suddenly showed up when google'd NWT4Win
Kind regards
Kurt

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On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 12:02 PM, Kurt Poulsen wrote:

Do not expect the NanoVNA to beat a more advanced VNA

Hello Kurt,
Thank you for the detailed analysis.

I do not want to tune the nanoVNA to a competitor of a HP VNA.

I just want to make the best out of it with little effort, finding the weak spots and improve them, like:

73, Rudi DL5FA