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Re: Just got mine. Looking it over.

 

Hi Gyula,
you're right, the software works fine without 64 bit hardware. The
downloadable executable from GitHub also works with Windows 7 32 bit.

However, PyQt5 is not available from pip for 32 bit Linux, so any 32 bit
Linux users would have to install and compile this manually.

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 10:06, Gyula Molnar <gyula.ha3hz@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have Python 3.7.4 installed on win7-32 bit SP1 integrated, which runs
the nanovna saver.
Of course, the required modules are installed with the -pip command, and I
have verified that they are present. I don't think 64-bit hardware is
needed to get it running.

73, Gyula HA3HZ




Re: Just got mine. Looking it over.

 

Hi,

I have Python 3.7.4 installed on win7-32 bit SP1 integrated, which runs the nanovna saver.
Of course, the required modules are installed with the -pip command, and I have verified that they are present. I don't think 64-bit hardware is needed to get it running.

73, Gyula HA3HZ


Re: Am I Fixing my BNC Calibration using Calibration Standards Adjustments in nanoVNA-Saver 0.1.2

 

Hi Bryan,
thank you very much! :D

I'll sit down this evening and read through your explanation more
thoroughly than this morning's coffee break allows. But I will comment
briefly on the crashes: If you want, it would be helpful for me if you were
to launch the application from a command prompt (or terminal window if on
Linux), preferably using the "-d" parameter to enable debugging output.
After the crash, the final error message should then be preserved in that
window. This will show me exactly where in the code the crash occurred.

When it comes to calibration, I have a decent idea. It won't be fixed in
0.1.3, due out Soon<tm>, but I promise I'll make better input validation
for those fields for 0.1.4 ;-) For now: Never leave them empty, never set
C0 to 0, and never feed them after midnight.

PS. I swapped F and H in the calibration window, and *noone noticed* until
now?! Quite how I made that mistake I don't know. :-)
--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 07:10, bryburns via Groups.Io <bryburns=
[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 03:42 PM, Rune Broberg wrote:


This looks very interesting, Bryan! I am happy that my little piece of
software has turned out to be able to do things like this ;-)

I am a little curious to see Smith chart measurements of your open, load
and short after doing this calibration adjustment - just to see how much
it
changes how they look.

I have wondered a little whether allowing a pure resistive value for the
short would also be relevant?

I'm still looking for a good reference for the calculations for how to
compensate for a "load" standard that has a capacitive component: How
does
that look? Is it just like the inductive phase shift with the sign
reversed? Could a load capacitance reasonably be represented by a
negative
inductance?
--
Rune / 5Q5R
Rune,

Yes, your software can do a lot of things that I seem to need. Thanks,
again, for continuing to work on this effort. You and your efforts are
greatly appreciated.

I will cover the changes in the open, short, and load separately below.
To get the plots shown here, I averaged 3 (or more) copies of 5 scans from
50 kHz to 900 MHz. The total number of frequency samples was therefore 505
samples or about every 1.78 MHz. Averaging is very useful and important in
nanoVNASaver, especially when looking at these kinds of measurements,
especially above 300 MHz.

First I'll talk about the open.

On the Smith chart plot little change is observable after the tuning is
applied because the changes being made represent small changes in the phase
of S11. In fact, to see the changes one has to look at the phase of S11 on
a scale of about +/- 2 degrees. The S11 phase of the open is shown in the
file "S11-Open-Phase-NoTuning.png". The change is such a small change in
the phase, it is almost impossible to see anything on the Smith chart. The
data is all clustered near the right side of the Smith Chart as it should
be after an effective calibration. However, it appears to me there is real
data in this phase plot, even after calibration but before applying any
tuning to the parameters in the "Calibration standards" form. When I
changed C0 in the "Calibration standards" form of nanoVNA-Saver to 1200 and
the offset delay to -55 ps. This change produced the phase plot in the
file "S11-Open-Phase-with-Tuning.png". Notice two things about the plot
after tuning. 1) There is no "quadratic looking" drop in the phase as we
move from low frequencies to higher frequencies as there was before
tuning. 2) Although I did not do this, a linear fit to the data in the
phase plot after tuning will be a horizontal line near zero degrees. This
is the definition of an ideal open. Thus, while you cannot readily see
such a small change on a Smith chart, there is some significance to the
changes because we removed frequency dependent artifacts of the open I used
in the calibration process. Please also notice from the amplitude charts
in the first post in this series show some improvement in the trend of S11
in dB when measuring the open RG-213 cable. This is not very compelling,
but read on.

Now let's talk about the short.

The short I used produced a nice dot on the left side of the Smith Chart
after the normal calibration; however, there was significant ripple
remaining in the S11 amplitude as shown in the plot below
"RG-213-WithOpenOnlyTuning.png" I suspected, but did not know that could
be the fault of the inductance in the short that was used in the
calibration. By modifying the L0 parameter in the "Calibrations standards"
form we can remove the inductance that may be present in the short I used.
The resulting S11 amplitude plot is attached to the first post above and
called "S11-RG213-WithCalTuning.png". Also, please refer to my post to
Kurt in this thread that shows the vastly improved Smith chart for the
RG-213 cable. The circles are now circles and they are much more closely
centered on 50 ohms.

So, now to your question: What does the actual short used in the original
calibration look like on the Smith chart once the L0 correction for the
Short is inserted? The result is shown in the figure
"Smith-OriginalShort-WithCorrections.png". This result should be exactly
like a 1.2 nH inductor which is what I tried to remove using the L0 term.
In fact, nanoVNA-Saver confirms this inductance after this correction is
applied by indicating 1.2 nH is the "parallel X" when measuring the actual
short. When the VNA is properly calibrated for a short, it shows the
actual inductance of the physical device I used, equivalent to 1.2 nH.

In the case of my BNC short, I don't think I have the ability to reliably
measure a resistance that small. The ohmmeter I have won't go lower than
0.05 ohms even when shorting the test leads together. When measuring the
short I used, it still measures 0.05 ohms. I doubt that many folks doing
hobbyist work can measure the resistance of their short either. Such small
resistance values have little impact in a 50 ohm system. Therefore, I don't
think there is benefit to including a resistor as a part of the cal
correction for a short.

A discussion of the load follows.

I won't go into the details about the tuning I did for the load. A
similar procedure to what was used for the open was used for the load.
Here, again, averaging a lot of sweeps is important in order to measure the
trends in the phase of a signal with a return loss of some 40 to 50 dB.
In order to flatten the S11 phase of the termination I used for calibration
I did need to add a very small amount of inductance (50 e-12) in the
calibration form. This is the equivalent of trying to remove 0.05 nH, a
small amount indeed. At 900 MHz that is a reactance of about 0.28 ohms.
Certainly not huge in a 50 ohm system. Of course, this small change is
unobservable on a Smith chart using the nanoVNA but it is clearly visible
on the S11 phase plot.

Long papers have been written on all of the possible issues with trying to
model various loads and what to do to compensate for various types of loads
at various frequencies. I think there are too many topologies to deal with
in this type of software. The capacitance can be in series with the 50 ohm
resistor or it can be in parallel or there might be capacitance in series
and in parallel.... The same can be said of the inductance. In my
opinion, you could leave what you have in place and let folks work with it
so long as you allow negative numbers everywhere. Then folks can think
about things in whatever way they must as long as you are clear about what
you are doing in the software with the non-ideal values entered in the
various boxes of the "Calibration standards" box.

By-the-way - When I reset some of the values in the Calibration standards
box to zero after putting in and applying values, nanoVNA-Saver 0.1.2
immediately crashes. You might want to look into this. I am sure it is
reproducible. Right now, I don't recall which ones do it.

I hope this helps answer your questions.

Again, thank you Rune for making the nanoVNA-Saver software available. I
find it particularly valuable and useful.

--
Bryan, WA5VAH




Re: SOLT calibration vs. TRL

 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 03:59 PM, Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd wrote:


I suspect it uses
just one mixer and one receiver, which is what all simple VNAs do to keep
the cost down
The nanoVNA is a full three mixer three receiver VNA without the switch to reverse the signal path


Re: Just got mine. Looking it over.

 

Hi Paul,
great to hear that it runs on Fedora :D Thanks for trying out the software,
and for helping other users get it running as well!

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 04:08, Paul Alfille <paul.alfille@...> wrote:

Ahh the linux holy wars. I can assure you that nanovna-saver works fine on
Fedora.

It's a pure python program though it needs some libraries that are
available in the repository but the packages are named slightly differently
in different distributions. The pip3 instructions should be consistent,
though.

I think the other software choices are windows-specific. At least by
report, the hardware communication under wine isn't smooth.

And you can always communicate directly with the ChibOS to get data in text
mode using a terminal program. For instance minicom at 9600 8N1. The prompt
is ch> and 'help' gives a list of commands.

Paul Alfille K1PHA





On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:22 PM Rune Broberg <mihtjel@...> wrote:

Hi Wes,
NanoVNA-Saver should work fine on whatever flavour of Linux you run,
assuming it has at least Python 3.7 (maybe even 3.6) and is 64 bit.
PyQt5,
the user interface library used, isn't available for 32 bit Linux any
more.

The Ubuntu instructions in the readme don't do anything Ubuntu specific -
it just hasn't been tested elsewhere.

If you don't want to clone from Github, you can download a zip file from
the "releases" section.

I look forward to hearing how it works :-)

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019, 00:00 N9KDY, <n9kdy@...> wrote:

So far, loving it, rough spots in the documentation and all. I won't
be
using it for deep and dark analyses, just getting ham antennae in-band
and centered where I want them, and co-ax troubleshoothing and the
like.
If I am reading the docs right, it can do a whole lot more. Quite
the
little gadget.

Just a couple of quick queries:

1) The Android NanoVNA WebApp downloaded and installed nicely. I
unwrapped a brand-new USB-C to USB-C cable (15cm long), plugged one end
into the Nano, the other into the phone with the Nano WebApp running,
and selected "connect" on the phone. "No Device Found." Same cable
works fine to connect two phones together to share a file. (I tried
it.) I guess I'm missing something, perhaps a setting on the NanoVNA
somewhere? Being able to use a phone instead of a laptop or even a
tablet while hanging off a tower would be quite the nice thing.
Pointers, anyone?

2) Any other Linux users out there? What shows up in a cursory pass
through is basically just for Ubuntu. (Sorry, I do NOT use Ubuntu
-anything.- I consider it the WinBlows (WinSucks?) of Linux
distributions. YMMV, of course.) Even the github write-up has nothing
much besides downloading and using an install shell script (which link
takes you to other than a shell script download...) on the cloned git
repository. With luck there will be enough Python stuff in the cloned
directory to get it compiled anyway; wish me luck. That's another
project for a sleepless night in the near future.

So, I'm looking to find the proper and best Linux software to use.
Having just joined this list about an hour ago, I have not yet had a
chance to do a deep dive into the archives to see what has already been
posted. That should happen tonight or tomorrow; replies in the form of
links to previous threads in the list would be appreciated, or new
thoughts if anyone has them.

Thanks in advance.

--
Wes Will
N9KDY








Re: Am I Fixing my BNC Calibration using Calibration Standards Adjustments in nanoVNA-Saver 0.1.2

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 06:10, bryburns via Groups.Io <bryburns=
[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 03:42 PM, Rune Broberg wrote:.

In the case of my BNC short, I don't think I have the ability to reliably
measure a resistance that small. The ohmmeter I have won't go lower than
0.05 ohms even when shorting the test leads together. When measuring the
short I used, it still measures 0.05 ohms. I doubt that many folks doing
hobbyist work can measure the resistance of their short either. uant to
look into this. I am sure it is reproducible.

--
Bryan, WA5VAH

An interesting post Bryan.

I agree that the resistance of the short is unlikely to be an issue, but
the resistance will increase with frequency due to the skin effect.

To measure low resistance values one needs to use 4-wire Kelvin connectors.
But even without a meter with that facility, it is very easy to use a
constant current source and a decent handheld multimeter. Many cheap
handheld multimeters can read 100 uV easily. Pass 100 mA thru the DUT and
you a 1 milli ohm resolution.

Dave.

--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Re: Another ebay deal?

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 00:09, Oristo <ormpoa@...> wrote:

Do you have any gnuplot code which can import a Touchstone file and plot
it on the Smith Chart?

I do, now. Having only this morning first looked at Touchstone S1p files,
I discovered that they are already in gnuplot format,
which seems unlikely mere coincidence.

You are obviously a much more competent gnuplot user than me. I like it the
fact that I can use it non-interactively. The calibration kits I sell come
with about 10 graphs showing various plots such as the properties of
calibration standards, the verification attenuator etc. Manually plotting
that lot would be extremely time consuming and error prone, but being able
to generate all the PDF plots from a single unix shell script makes the
process much easier.

--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Re: Am I Fixing my BNC Calibration using Calibration Standards Adjustments in nanoVNA-Saver 0.1.2

 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 03:42 PM, Rune Broberg wrote:


This looks very interesting, Bryan! I am happy that my little piece of
software has turned out to be able to do things like this ;-)

I am a little curious to see Smith chart measurements of your open, load
and short after doing this calibration adjustment - just to see how much it
changes how they look.

I have wondered a little whether allowing a pure resistive value for the
short would also be relevant?

I'm still looking for a good reference for the calculations for how to
compensate for a "load" standard that has a capacitive component: How does
that look? Is it just like the inductive phase shift with the sign
reversed? Could a load capacitance reasonably be represented by a negative
inductance?
--
Rune / 5Q5R
Rune,

Yes, your software can do a lot of things that I seem to need. Thanks, again, for continuing to work on this effort. You and your efforts are greatly appreciated.

I will cover the changes in the open, short, and load separately below. To get the plots shown here, I averaged 3 (or more) copies of 5 scans from 50 kHz to 900 MHz. The total number of frequency samples was therefore 505 samples or about every 1.78 MHz. Averaging is very useful and important in nanoVNASaver, especially when looking at these kinds of measurements, especially above 300 MHz.

First I'll talk about the open.

On the Smith chart plot little change is observable after the tuning is applied because the changes being made represent small changes in the phase of S11. In fact, to see the changes one has to look at the phase of S11 on a scale of about +/- 2 degrees. The S11 phase of the open is shown in the file "S11-Open-Phase-NoTuning.png". The change is such a small change in the phase, it is almost impossible to see anything on the Smith chart. The data is all clustered near the right side of the Smith Chart as it should be after an effective calibration. However, it appears to me there is real data in this phase plot, even after calibration but before applying any tuning to the parameters in the "Calibration standards" form. When I changed C0 in the "Calibration standards" form of nanoVNA-Saver to 1200 and the offset delay to -55 ps. This change produced the phase plot in the file "S11-Open-Phase-with-Tuning.png". Notice two things about the plot after tuning. 1) There is no "quadratic looking" drop in the phase as we move from low frequencies to higher frequencies as there was before tuning. 2) Although I did not do this, a linear fit to the data in the phase plot after tuning will be a horizontal line near zero degrees. This is the definition of an ideal open. Thus, while you cannot readily see such a small change on a Smith chart, there is some significance to the changes because we removed frequency dependent artifacts of the open I used in the calibration process. Please also notice from the amplitude charts in the first post in this series show some improvement in the trend of S11 in dB when measuring the open RG-213 cable. This is not very compelling, but read on.

Now let's talk about the short.

The short I used produced a nice dot on the left side of the Smith Chart after the normal calibration; however, there was significant ripple remaining in the S11 amplitude as shown in the plot below "RG-213-WithOpenOnlyTuning.png" I suspected, but did not know that could be the fault of the inductance in the short that was used in the calibration. By modifying the L0 parameter in the "Calibrations standards" form we can remove the inductance that may be present in the short I used. The resulting S11 amplitude plot is attached to the first post above and called "S11-RG213-WithCalTuning.png". Also, please refer to my post to Kurt in this thread that shows the vastly improved Smith chart for the RG-213 cable. The circles are now circles and they are much more closely centered on 50 ohms.

So, now to your question: What does the actual short used in the original calibration look like on the Smith chart once the L0 correction for the Short is inserted? The result is shown in the figure "Smith-OriginalShort-WithCorrections.png". This result should be exactly like a 1.2 nH inductor which is what I tried to remove using the L0 term. In fact, nanoVNA-Saver confirms this inductance after this correction is applied by indicating 1.2 nH is the "parallel X" when measuring the actual short. When the VNA is properly calibrated for a short, it shows the actual inductance of the physical device I used, equivalent to 1.2 nH.

In the case of my BNC short, I don't think I have the ability to reliably measure a resistance that small. The ohmmeter I have won't go lower than 0.05 ohms even when shorting the test leads together. When measuring the short I used, it still measures 0.05 ohms. I doubt that many folks doing hobbyist work can measure the resistance of their short either. Such small resistance values have little impact in a 50 ohm system. Therefore, I don't think there is benefit to including a resistor as a part of the cal correction for a short.

A discussion of the load follows.

I won't go into the details about the tuning I did for the load. A similar procedure to what was used for the open was used for the load. Here, again, averaging a lot of sweeps is important in order to measure the trends in the phase of a signal with a return loss of some 40 to 50 dB. In order to flatten the S11 phase of the termination I used for calibration I did need to add a very small amount of inductance (50 e-12) in the calibration form. This is the equivalent of trying to remove 0.05 nH, a small amount indeed. At 900 MHz that is a reactance of about 0.28 ohms. Certainly not huge in a 50 ohm system. Of course, this small change is unobservable on a Smith chart using the nanoVNA but it is clearly visible on the S11 phase plot.

Long papers have been written on all of the possible issues with trying to model various loads and what to do to compensate for various types of loads at various frequencies. I think there are too many topologies to deal with in this type of software. The capacitance can be in series with the 50 ohm resistor or it can be in parallel or there might be capacitance in series and in parallel.... The same can be said of the inductance. In my opinion, you could leave what you have in place and let folks work with it so long as you allow negative numbers everywhere. Then folks can think about things in whatever way they must as long as you are clear about what you are doing in the software with the non-ideal values entered in the various boxes of the "Calibration standards" box.

By-the-way - When I reset some of the values in the Calibration standards box to zero after putting in and applying values, nanoVNA-Saver 0.1.2 immediately crashes. You might want to look into this. I am sure it is reproducible. Right now, I don't recall which ones do it.

I hope this helps answer your questions.

Again, thank you Rune for making the nanoVNA-Saver software available. I find it particularly valuable and useful.

--
Bryan, WA5VAH


Re: Can't update firmware

 

Thanks, Larry. I've tried these steps many times with no success.
Let me trace the path I've been taking and see if you can spot where I'm going wrong.

I followed your pointer to GenHu site

Read through his instructions titled Upgrade NanoVNA use DFU.pdf

Clicked on my desired .dfu, and download the file NanoVNA-H_AA_20191009.dfu, which I stored in the same folder as DfuSeDemo.exe.

Connected NanoVNA to Windows 10 USB port and started up NanoVNA in programming mode.
This generates a new directory named Universal Serial Bus devices, and it contains a driver named STM32 BOOTLOADER

I've seen screen shots of successful firmware updates, and they show this new file to be in the Universal Serial Bus controllers directory, and the driver is named STM Device in DFU Mode.

If I could get past this driver problem then I think the rest would fall into place.


Digi-Key part numbers for various SMA adapter bits

 

In case nobody has made this public, below find some part numbers for useful or absolutely required fittings and adapters.

A couple of each are en route to me right now. (From Digi-Key. Not Mouser. I gave up on Mouser after three orders in a row were screwed up, costing me serious coinage and time lost for five different jobs.)

Digi-Key part numbers:
ACX1242-ND SMA Jack-Jack (like the one shipped with most NanoVNAs)
ACX1240-ND SMA Plug-Plug (exactly the opposite polarity of the 1242 above. Might be handy setting up a DUT, you never know...)
ACX1246-ND SMA gender - mender. This is a male to female converter
J10097-ND SMA to BNC converter. Most of my stuff is UHF connectors, SO-239 / PL-259, but I already have adapters for BNC for that.

Digi-Key (and likely Mouser, if you prefer them - I don't have a dog in this hunt so get it where you like) has roughly a thousand different SMA to --something-- adapters and fittings. (The SMA to SO-239 adapters are way-stupid-over-priced as far as I can tell, but most of the rest are just ugly expensive, same as everywhere else... Adapters and connection cables and fittings are going to wind up more expensive than the VNA itself, I am afraid.)

--
Wes Will
N9KDY


Test fixtures #test-jig

 

Saw this on eBay. Anyone have gerber files for something like this?


Re: Just got mine. Looking it over.

 

And you can always communicate directly with the ChibOS to get data in text
mode using a terminal program.
Ah!! THAT is what I needed. CLI it shall be. Thanks. Do you know if it is limited to 9600 BPS (BPS not BAUD)? My serial ports go a lot faster than that, and I have some non-Chinese-pirated-JUNK USB-to-RS-232 converters....

No, I do not participate greatly in the distro wars. I've just had it up to my ears with hearing the lie about "sudo" being a security feature.

--
Wes Will
MS IT (InfoSec)
N9KDY


Re: SOLT calibration vs. TRL

 

Dow-Key Microwave 411C-220832 12V relays I got a handful from equipment that we tossed into recycling at worksites. They never seen a signal larger than -10dbm and are perfect for circuits like this. None of them are older than 5 years and if they have switched more than 10 or 15 times in that time frame I would be utterly surprised.

Bilbo

On 10/15/2019 6:44 PM, alan victor wrote:
That is a nice solution. Who is the manufacturer for the relay? Quality SMA packaged relays are not cheap!

Thanks,



Re: Nanovna-F is here

 

Where did I purchase? eBay and it took about 4 weeks to arrive.

Why three, now 4, vnas? I wanted one of each of the identified versions to test whether one was better. Whether shields made a difference in performance.

Those tests are done and now I am paring down to two...... one mounted in my lab and one for my toolbox for the field.

WA8TOD


Re: Another ebay deal?

Nigel Gunn, G8IFF/W8IFF
 

But the Taobao website is in foreign.


On 15 October 2019 at 22:03 SM Ling <sm.ling11@... mailto:sm.ling11@... > wrote:


If you are waiting to get another nanoVNA, you can get this when it is available on ebay or aliexpress. I got mine from Taobao direct.

But you need to solder in the connectors and the components.



Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1 937 825 5032
Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF and GMRS WRBV701, e-mail nigel@... www


Re: Just got mine. Looking it over.

 

Ahh the linux holy wars. I can assure you that nanovna-saver works fine on
Fedora.

It's a pure python program though it needs some libraries that are
available in the repository but the packages are named slightly differently
in different distributions. The pip3 instructions should be consistent,
though.

I think the other software choices are windows-specific. At least by
report, the hardware communication under wine isn't smooth.

And you can always communicate directly with the ChibOS to get data in text
mode using a terminal program. For instance minicom at 9600 8N1. The prompt
is ch> and 'help' gives a list of commands.

Paul Alfille K1PHA

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:22 PM Rune Broberg <mihtjel@...> wrote:

Hi Wes,
NanoVNA-Saver should work fine on whatever flavour of Linux you run,
assuming it has at least Python 3.7 (maybe even 3.6) and is 64 bit. PyQt5,
the user interface library used, isn't available for 32 bit Linux any more.

The Ubuntu instructions in the readme don't do anything Ubuntu specific -
it just hasn't been tested elsewhere.

If you don't want to clone from Github, you can download a zip file from
the "releases" section.

I look forward to hearing how it works :-)

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019, 00:00 N9KDY, <n9kdy@...> wrote:

So far, loving it, rough spots in the documentation and all. I won't be
using it for deep and dark analyses, just getting ham antennae in-band
and centered where I want them, and co-ax troubleshoothing and the like.
If I am reading the docs right, it can do a whole lot more. Quite the
little gadget.

Just a couple of quick queries:

1) The Android NanoVNA WebApp downloaded and installed nicely. I
unwrapped a brand-new USB-C to USB-C cable (15cm long), plugged one end
into the Nano, the other into the phone with the Nano WebApp running,
and selected "connect" on the phone. "No Device Found." Same cable
works fine to connect two phones together to share a file. (I tried
it.) I guess I'm missing something, perhaps a setting on the NanoVNA
somewhere? Being able to use a phone instead of a laptop or even a
tablet while hanging off a tower would be quite the nice thing.
Pointers, anyone?

2) Any other Linux users out there? What shows up in a cursory pass
through is basically just for Ubuntu. (Sorry, I do NOT use Ubuntu
-anything.- I consider it the WinBlows (WinSucks?) of Linux
distributions. YMMV, of course.) Even the github write-up has nothing
much besides downloading and using an install shell script (which link
takes you to other than a shell script download...) on the cloned git
repository. With luck there will be enough Python stuff in the cloned
directory to get it compiled anyway; wish me luck. That's another
project for a sleepless night in the near future.

So, I'm looking to find the proper and best Linux software to use.
Having just joined this list about an hour ago, I have not yet had a
chance to do a deep dive into the archives to see what has already been
posted. That should happen tonight or tomorrow; replies in the form of
links to previous threads in the list would be appreciated, or new
thoughts if anyone has them.

Thanks in advance.

--
Wes Will
N9KDY






Re: Another ebay deal?

 

If you are waiting to get another nanoVNA, you can get this when it is available on ebay or aliexpress. I got mine from Taobao direct.

But you need to solder in the connectors and the components.


Re: errors of "error" models

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 23:53, yza <yzaVNA@...> wrote:

#47 : Once Again

@Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd - 14 October 2019 :
/g/nanovna-users/message/4907

Hello,

Hello,


After your suggestion, allow us, please, to also suggest to you,
once again, after the previous one with our message:

25 : The concept of Quantity today - 1 October 2019 :
/g/nanovna-users/message/3106

I am sorry, but you keep giving links rather than comment is very tiresome
for me.

| Finally, allow us, please, to comment that, in our humble
| opinion, regarding 'Understanding', there are the following
| types of human beings, according their personal tastes:
|
| (1) Those who don't want to understand, and those who want
| to understand, but when they don't understand then, according
| to their judging abilities, they put constantly the blame:
|
| (2) on the others,
|
| (3) on themselves, and
|
| (4) either on the others or on themselves, according to the state
| of their progress in the Knowledge

Sincerely,

gin&pez@arg

Your comments such as those above about the abilities and attitudes of
different people is seen as rude by myself.

Dave
--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Fairly good raw uncorrected source and load match - based on one sample

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

One of the parameters specified for a VNA is the

* raw uncorrected source match and
* raw uncorrected load match.

The better the raw performance, the better the corrected performance.

I measured these best I could using my 8753ES VNA. Had these been poor, I
would have tried to improve them. But based on my sample, it is not
worthwhile trying to improve them.

My procedure was

1) Set 8753 to its minimum output power which was -22 dBm, as its default
output (I think +5 dBm), would have overloaded the NanoVNA.

2) Use a cable that came with the NanoVNA it is it quite flexible.

3) Added a 2 dB attenuator on the cable, for no other reason than to
protect my calibration standards.

4) Set the 8753ES VNA to use the 85033D or 85033E calibration kit. This has
the same parameters as my 85052B

5) Calibrated up to 3 GHz, which is the limit of my 8753ES - I do have a 20
GHz VNA, but below about 860 MHz, the 8753ES has better performance than
the 20 GHz VNA.

5) Measured return loss of port 2 with the NanoVNA powered on and off.
There was some difference, but only a few dB. As you can see from the
photograph, the worst return loss on the load is 17.7 dB.

6) I measuring the source port with the NanoVNA powered on. I could find
no way to stop the source completely messing up the measurements. Setting
the frequency down below 100 kHz still screwed up measurements at 900 MHz.
There were huge spikes. Note that the 8753ES VNA source power would have
been around 10 dB less than the NanoVNA output power.

Ignoring the very significant spikes, I do believe that the return loss of
the source wasn¡¯t changing much whether the NanoVNA was powered up or not.
Anyway, the worst case return loss at the source, whilst powered off, was
28 dB.

In comparison, the guaranteed performance of my 8720D VNA over the range of
50 MHz to 2 GHz is

*HP 8720D (guaranteed)*
*Source match: 12 dB*
*Load match: 22 dB*

*NanoVNA (sample of 1)*
*Source match: 28.0 dB*
*Load match: 17.7 dB*

So my one sample, the NanoVNA had a much better source match than the
8720D, but a little worse load match.

Since I know that the NanoVNA was getting worse as the frequency was swept
up to 3 GHz, if I did add the firmware that went to 1500 MHz, I might
consider adding a small attenuator or resistor on the load to improve the
load match, but to be honest I am only likely to do reflection measurements
up to 1296 MHz on the NanoVNA, so the match at port 2 would be irrelevant.

I didn¡¯t think until after I had performed a 1-port calibration on the
8753ES, that it might have been worth measuring the isolation between the
two ports on the NanoVNA. The 8753ES has a system dynamic range of 110 dB,
which would have dropped to 90 dB at a much reduced output power. Probably
good enough, but if not reducing the IF bandwidth, increasing the output
power and averaging would have all helped.

Anyway, I thought it interesting, and based on my sample at least, any
attempt to improve the match at the ports would be best done on the
receiver port rather than the source port, but it¡¯s pretty good.

--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Re: errors of "error" models

 

#49 :
first details of our final report 1 :
nominal values comparison :
our [NanoVNA] ~ our [VNA]
-
#30 : our final report 1 - 6 October 2019 :
/g/nanovna-users/message/4179
-

Hello,

Allow us, please, to present the first details of our
final report 1 regarding the Nominal Values of Rho
for our [ref2007box], as they resulted by using
our [VNA] and our [VNA]:

Rho Magnitude:
[VNA] : CYAN - pre-calibrated
[VNA] : BLUE - Nominal Values
[NanoVNA] : MAGENTA - pre-calibrated
[NanoVNA] : RED - Nominal Values:


Rho Argument:
[VNA] : CYAN - pre-calibrated
[VNA] : BLUE - Nominal Values
[NanoVNA] : MAGENTA - pre-calibrated
[NanoVNA] : RED - Nominal Values:


Sincerely,

gin&pez@arg

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