Re: Smith Charts
Here's another issue revealed by trace dots. The data is for a Johanson 390 nH inductor. Note the trace gap at about 7 o'clock. The frequency steps are uniformly 1 MHz so the gap is not due to a
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Brian Beezley
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#40336
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
Hi Roger Thanks, its not assumed that test terminaison resistor should be a pure real resistive value nor an accurate Zc muched impedance but just to be approximatly reduced to a relatively focused
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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#40335
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Re: Smith constant SWR-circle?
Another suggestion: Make the chart so that the outer boundary circle is say 1.5:1 or 2:1. I have a chart that is either 1.5:1 or 2:1 somewhere in my clutter.
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WB2UAQ
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#40334
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
Your measurements do not agree with the calculated values for typical RG213. The characteristic impedance of Belden coax is around 50.6 ohms at 1 MHz and slowly decreases to about 50 ohms at 100 MHz.
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Roger Need
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#40333
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
Only one of the methods I presented involved a formula. What the dickens is wrong with a little very simple algebra?? The other two methods are simple and only need a non-reactive potentiometer, a
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W0LEV
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#40332
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
Hi Dave I believe that everything I have presented here has already been demonstrated both experimentally and graphically, without relying on formulas or theoretical estimations. Nevertheless,
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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#40331
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
QUOTE: In such a case, the measurements will be distorted by the transformation introduced by the CRC's twin-lead line. These CMCs are not made of just "twin lead line". They are intelligently chosen
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W0LEV
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#40330
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
QUOTE: ........ but should we ever be concerned that CMC might have fc different from the rest of the system? All my CMCs are home brewed and meticulously measured with professional instruments. My
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W0LEV
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#40329
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
Hi Miro I believe you asked the right question here. In my opinion, not having the correct characteristic impedance (Zc) for the CRC that matches the Coax/Antenna system slightly alters the impedance
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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#40328
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
12, 10, and 6 meters might be a bit of concern. But usually these are at or less than an electrical 0.1 wavelengths long. The characteristic impedance of all that I've built and measured (well over
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W0LEV
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#40327
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
Assuming that "wires" (transmission line) used to make CMC are much shorter then "lambda" across useful frequencies, how much impact do you expect from "mismatched" characteristic impedance of CMC?
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Miro, N9LR
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#40326
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Re: Smith Charts
When using the rectangular display, you can see that results may be compromised by the limited resolution of the magnitude/angle data, which is 0.001 in magnitude. You can see that the magnitude
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Brian Beezley
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Re: Smith Charts
Thanks, Alan. Using dot mode makes it easy. The upper Q = 1 intersection is between two data points. The lower intersection is close to one point, at which I've put the marker. A little calculation,
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Brian Beezley
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#40324
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Re: Smith Charts
Here is a resonator s1p file that you can apply to the Q=1 contour. Capture the Q crossings at upper and lower (XL , XC) positions on the chart along with the zero real crossing. This provides
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alan victor
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#40323
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Re: Smith Charts
Using dots can have a fascinating decorrelation effect. This is group delay for a crystal filter. The response is 80 dB down outside the passband, as shown in the second image. Group delay gets noisy
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Brian Beezley
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Re: Smith Charts
I should have added this file listing to my previous post. The lin/log switch occurs in the middle. It's at 720 MHz, not 7.2 GHz. My ability to count zeros is restricted to "one, two, three, many."
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Brian Beezley
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#40321
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Re: Smith Charts
I'm going to add an option to plot data points without a line connecting them. This is useful for assessing the data density, which is not always evident in a normal curve. The sample below reveals
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Brian Beezley
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Re: Smith Charts
Excellent.
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alan victor
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#40319
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Re: Smith Charts
No, but clicking the mouse will put a marker at the data point nearest the mouse cursor. Then you can use the mouse wheel to step up and down the curve to the desired point. I'll think about
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Brian Beezley
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Re: METHOD for MEASURING COMMON MODE CHOKE IMPEDANCE
Hi Dave Here My message about RG213 coax measurements posted here on Avril 5 2025: for My RG213 cable (25m length) loaded by a 50.3 Ohm resistor , I used the centered impedances circle methode on
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Team-SIM SIM-Mode
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