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Re: How we use the Nanovna

 

Warren,According to the calibration indicators along the left side of the display, you're outside of the originally calibrated boundaries (Small c).What differs after a full calibration around your true working freq band?
Thanks,Larry

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 10:53:36 a.m. GMT-4, Warren Allgyer <allgyer@...> wrote:

Here I am working on a circularly polarized 440 MHz antenna for satellite ops. The first screenshot shows initial results when it was first connected. The second trace is after tuning. To be able to see Return Loss and the Smith Chart at the same time, in real time, was invaluable in getting this thing corralled.

Next step: build a second one and phase them to give me a 2 bay CP transmit antenna with 0 dBi gain. Exactly what I wanted.

WA8TOD


How we use the Nanovna

 

Here I am working on a circularly polarized 440 MHz antenna for satellite ops. The first screenshot shows initial results when it was first connected. The second trace is after tuning. To be able to see Return Loss and the Smith Chart at the same time, in real time, was invaluable in getting this thing corralled.

Next step: build a second one and phase them to give me a 2 bay CP transmit antenna with 0 dBi gain. Exactly what I wanted.

WA8TOD


Re: Installed recent firmware - was this a big mistake?

 

Rune,

Thanks for the tip on using Hugen's firmware. I finally found the latest version of his firmware which has TDR capability and works with both nanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12 and 0.1.0. The version of firmware I am now using is NanoVNA-H__900_ch_20190924.dfu which I downloaded from

.

I no longer have issues with getting bad data at the start of scans where the frequency has changed. I can use any number of scans and the data is correct.

I am just beginning to look at other features of the newest version.

Bryan

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 08:58 AM, Rune Broberg wrote:


Hi Bryan,
sweeping currently works as follows:
1) The requested frequency range is set (start and stop frequency)
2) A delay of 300 ms
3) The frequencies are read back by sending the text "frequencies", waiting
50 ms, and then reading them
4) The S11 data is read (again, 50 ms delay included)
5) The S21 data is read

I decided on 300 ms after testing a few times, and figuring that it was
"probably fine". Setting no delay sometimes let to errors, and more than
250 ms seemed to be fine, so I set it to 300. Maybe it's too low? But
then I was using Hugen's firmware.

If you can make a non-continuous sweep that produces a noticeable error,
you can try exporting the S1P/S2P Touchstone file, and looking at the
frequencies. The Touchstone export reads the exact frequencies reported
back by the NanoVNA, so it should tell you what frequencies it thinks it's
reporting data for.

Sadly I don't think it's something I can really address in the application
- I believe it has to be accounted for in the firmware.

Thanks for the work you're doing on this issue, though! Good luck with it!

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 16:40, bryburns via Groups.Io <bryburns=
[email protected]> wrote:

Rune,

Thanks for taking a look at this thread!

My biggest concern is that with the firmware 0.2.2 from edy555 I always
see incorrect data in the second scan when using 2 scans between 80 and 120
MHz. With a single scan there are no errors over the same frequency
range. The incorrect data is always wrong in the same way. I.E. it is
actual measurements but they are from the wrong frequencies. If I do 5
scans, it appears that the first part of scans 2 through 5 is almost always
incorrect data. If it were occasional errors, I could work with it;
however, it is repeated with my nanoVNA and this firmware. When I request
a single scan over the exact same frequencies as the 2nd or 3rd or 4th or
5th scan, I very rarely, if ever, see an error in the nanoVNA-Saver data,
even in continuous sweep mode. What is different about continuous sweep
mode? Is there a pause between the scans?

I very rarely, if ever, see it with firmware from hugen dated August 2,
2019 using the exact same scan settings 2 or 3 or 4 or 5... Yes, I will
occasionally see errors with the hugen firmware but they are quite rare and
usually pretty obvious. Repeating a sweep or measurement will clear the
errant data.

I don't know much about the transfer protocol between the nanoVNA and the
PC. From your comment above, I would have to assume that you do not get
the frequency information in the same message as the data so there is no
way to throw out data based on the fact that the frequencies you requested
are not the frequencies sent from the nanoVNA. Is that correct?

A few questions, mostly thinking out loud. :>) I wonder if data is being
sent from the firmware before the hardware has actually stabilized at the
new frequencies you have requested? Would it help to pause a bit after
requesting a new set of frequencies?

I will continue looking for more clues to this issue.

--
Bryan, WA5VAH



--
Bryan, WA5VAH


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.0.12

 

Hello Paul,

before starting, click on the program properties and put a tick in the box "Allow".

--
Hans-Peter Prast, DL2KHP


Re: Deal on ebay

 

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 12:24 PM, mike watts wrote:
Or, they might be dumping inventory to get liquidity.
Manufacturers may be aware that V2 is coming,
at which point V1 will be a hard sell.


Re: Is there an Android app for the NanoVNA - WebUSB

 

Hi Eric -

webclient software gives nice graphics but didn't control the Nanovna.
This may help:
1) Paste into Android Chrome browser:
chrome://flags/#enable-experimental-web-platform-features
2) change to [ Enabled ]

FWIW, that enabled Web-Client on my Chromebook browser to "see" nanoVNA's USB port,
but connection failed with message:
cannot read property `getWriter` of undefined

.. which may be specific to Chromebook, since Web-Client works for some Androids.
A workaround that could perhaps be hacked into Web-Client:


FWIW, Beagle Term and other Chrome browser apps are unavailable on ChromeBooks,
but ChromeBook app 'Diginow Serial Terminal' does interact with nanoVNA commands:


Re: Deal on ebay

 

I use SMA adapters on my VNWA and nanaVNA analyzers since the SMA connector is fragile. Whether male to female or female to female adapters I recommend Amphenol adapters which are a higher quality that the Chinese adapters. I buy mine form Mouser.

Mike N2MS

If the connector on the namaVNA fail I would eventually replace them with Amphenol connectors.

Mike N2MS

On October 1, 2019 at 8:49 PM John Kolb <jlkolb@...> wrote:



I've ordered a pair of SMA male to SMA female adapters to attach
permanently directly to the nanoVNA to protect it's connectors.
Hopefully they will arrive before the VNA does.

John KK6IL

On 10/1/2019 5:03 PM, mike watts via Groups.Io wrote:
No No Roy! You need the female to female adapters if you use a coax jumper to move the calibration plane away from the VNA and to protect the connector on the VNA from physical stress. Attaching a DUT directly to the VNA connector puts the VNA connector at some risk. My standard procedure is to attach a coax jumper - rather than the DUT - to the VNA, otherwise you wind up with some rather large rigid object sticking out in the air, just asking for trouble. That is such standard procedure for me that using it any other way didn't occur to me. That is what I recommend, but I realize not everyone will always want to use it that way.

Whatever adapter you attach to the calibration standards must have a female connection on that end since the calibration standard is male. The other end should also be female if you use a coax jumper (almost all of which have male connectors on both ends - including the ones included with the NanoVNA). If you do not intend to use a coax jumper, then the other side of the adapter should be male. I just didn't think to point out this possibility in my notes.

I shall attempt to clarify that.

Thanks,
Mike WY6K


Re: File updated in [email protected]

 

This is a slightly reformatted and edited version of cho45's excellent (github-based) NanoVNA User Guide.
Thanks, Larry and cho45; Wiki pointers are updated:
/g/nanovna-users/wiki


Re: Quick Tips for New Users

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 13:22, GM4CID <gm4cid@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

David, despite agreeing to differ, might I suggest that it would be useful
if
someone like yourself with the appropriate calibrated professional
equipment
could offer to measure the three cal standards supplied with the nanoVNA
and make publicise the results and conclusions
I do appreciate that in an ideal world testing of an appropriate sample
size
would be more meaningful.

Regards Bob

I did post the results of the open earlier. Kurt is going to do more, but
my executive summary is that the cal kit supplied to me is quite
reasonable. Far from perfect, but quite reasonable. The fact that the
connectors rotate the contact surfaces is not great, but not a
deal breaker.

Problems will lie with SMA female calibration standards, as well as all N
bits except female N shorts.

APC7, which is very rare would again work reasonably well. The fringe
capacitance of APC7 is a bit higher than the 50 fF assumed in the NanoVNA
firmware, but would be reasonable.

You can cobble together your own standards using little more than a few
connectors and a ruler. I am sure Kurt can give you some advice.

The problem is currently the NanoVNA has no support *in firmware* for any
sort of calibration kit, so whether you make something, or buy an expensive
kit, you are going to be in the same position.

Rune¡¯s program does now I believe add support for calibration kits, but
that¡¯s no help if you want to use the NanoVNA outside a laboratory without
some sort of PC, laptop or tablet.

Dave


--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.1.0

 

That sounds odd. I definitely tested saving of calibration data. Did it
write anything to the console about the save failing? Did you check that it
didn't save as "bnc_4.cal"?

--
Rune / 5Q5R

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 15:13, Nick <g3vnc@...> wrote:

Hi Rune

thanks very much for the new release and fixing the buttons in the cal
window.!

I like the object picker for calibration files, but cannot save or load
calibrations.

I did a new cal, saved as bnc_4 to ~/nanovna-saver, but it has not saved
the file there. Tried ~/config/NanoVNASaver but it's not there either!

73
Nick




Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.1.0

 

Hi Rune

thanks very much for the new release and fixing the buttons in the cal window.!

I like the object picker for calibration files, but cannot save or load calibrations.

I did a new cal, saved as bnc_4 to ~/nanovna-saver, but it has not saved the file there. Tried ~/config/NanoVNASaver but it's not there either!

73
Nick


File updated in [email protected]

[email protected] Notification
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been updated in the Files area of the [email protected] group.

File: NanoVNA User Guide-English-reformat-Oct-2-19.pdf

Uploaded By: Larry Rothman

Description:
This is a slightly reformatted and edited version of cho45's excellent (github-based) NanoVNA User Guide. I have made the URL links live as well as added some additional verbiage in order to clarify some content. The document is 29 pages and is formatted for printing. updated Oct-2-2019 -Fixed links

You can access this file at the URL:
/g/nanovna-users/files/NanoVNA%20User%20Guide-English-reformat-Oct-2-19.pdf

Cheers,
The Groups.io Team


Re: Quick Tips for New Users

 

Hi Bob
I have done it, as I earlier promissed and will as soon I get the report finalized and the characterization tested against the NanoVNA-Saver
Kind regards
Kurt

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> P? vegne af GM4CID
Sendt: 2. oktober 2019 14:22
Til: [email protected]
Emne: Re: [nanovna-users] Quick Tips for New Users

David, despite agreeing to differ, might I suggest that it would be useful if someone like yourself with the appropriate calibrated professional equipment could offer to measure the three cal standards supplied with the nanoVNA and make public the results and conclusions I do appreciate that in an ideal world testing of an appropriate sample size would be more meaningful.

Regards Bob


Re: Which Firmware Version?

W5DXP
 

There are a couple of additional selections added besides "config". Under the "display", "transform" has been added with a number of possible selections. Also, under "display/format/more", a number of useful selections have been added: "real", "imag", "resistance", "reactance".


Re: Quick Tips for New Users

GM4CID
 
Edited

David, despite agreeing to differ, might I suggest that it would be useful if
someone like yourself with the appropriate calibrated professional equipment
could offer to measure the three cal standards supplied with the nanoVNA
and publicise the results and conclusions
I do appreciate that in an ideal world testing of an appropriate sample size
would be more meaningful.

Regards Bob


Re: Quick Tips for New Users

 

The suitably modified document is attached.
Updated Wiki link: /g/nanovna-users/wiki/User-Guides


Re: NanoVNA-Saver 0.1.0

 

Thanks for the new release Rune. It is great to be able not only to sweep stuff but also compare vs theory/simulation.

Loading Elsie S2P Files

After some experimentation I think I am able to load Elsie S2P files into NanoVNA-Saver in the following way:

In Elsie select Menu | Tabulate | Write | Write S-parameter file | S2P [2-port] | MA [volts/volt] | MHz | Version 1.0 | Continue with SnP operation.

Now load the file in NanoVNA-Saver | Files | ... navigate to the file | Load reference / Load as sweep.

Bo


Re: Quick Tips for New Users

Dr. David Kirkby from Kirkby Microwave Ltd
 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 10:09, GM4CID <gm4cid@...> wrote:

Keeping things in perspective it looks to me that we might be getting
confused expecting to use a $50
hobby device with hobby grade calibration standards when a $5000+
instrument and professional cal
standards would be more appropriate for the delay figures being mentioned
to be of any relevance.

I would disagree.

SDR-KITS sell a reasonable SMA female calibration kit for ?67.20



I actually thought they did an even cheaper one, but I can not find it.

Rune has added support for calibration kits in his software.

All of the above will work reasonably well if people add connectors savers
(m-f) on the NanoVNA.

Anyway, let¡¯s agree to differ. ?????


73 Bob GM4CID

Dave G8WRB
--
Dr. David Kirkby,
Kirkby Microwave Ltd,
drkirkby@...

Telephone 01621-680100./ +44 1621 680100

Registered in England & Wales, company number 08914892.
Registered office:
Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United
Kingdom


Re: R + jX ?

 

NanoVNASharp MOD v2 also allows to see TDR, TDR VSWR
Added to Wiki: /g/nanovna-users/wiki


Re: Quick Tips for New Users

GM4CID
 
Edited

Keeping things in perspective it looks to me that we might be getting confused expecting to use a $50
hobby device with hobby grade calibration standards when a $5000+ instrument and professional cal
standards would be more appropriate for the delay figures being mentioned to be of any relevance.

Not withstanding the above the NanoVNA is an extremly effective tool and the suggested use of
m/f SMA adapters to reduce wear on the board mounted connectors is good engineering practice.


73 Bob GM4CID