¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

ctrl + shift + ? for shortcuts
© 2025 Groups.io

Re: Calibration question

 

This can be improved by adding a small Common Mode Choke at the VNA end to
help isolate the coax from the case of the device. The frequency being
measured also has an impact.

*Clyde K. Spencer*



On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 1:28?PM Kenneth Roberts via groups.io <kenr313=
[email protected]> wrote:

Yes, I have noted that the SWR changes when holding the VNA vs. not
holding it, and touching the SMA connector vs. not touching it. The
readings generally are better when touching vs. not touching.

Ken, W4KRR


On 4/23/2025 12:20 PM, Manfred Mornhinweg via groups.io wrote:
I have a whole load of rubber duck antennas that I'm checking so see at
what range they should work best.
Ken,
the behavior of rubber duckies depends significantly on the radio they
are attached to. So, to get reasonably accurate results when measuring them
with the nanoVNA, I suggest that you build a metal bracket about the size
of a typical HT, covered with some insulation to mimmick the plastic body
of an HT, mount the nanoVNA in that bracket, its measuring port bonded to
the bracket, and then hold that contraption in your hand like you would
hold an HT, while making the measurements.

You could even use a plastic box the size of an HT, covered with
aluminium foil on the inside, properly bonded to the nanoVNA's port.

Of course you need to run the nanoVNA without an USB cable connected.

You will see that depending on how you grab that test contraption, the
measured values will shift somewhat. If you mount the antenna directly to
the nanoVNA, they will shift more, since the nanoVNA is a lot smaller than
an HT, at least the 2.8" screen version. I haven't compared the size of the
H4 version to that of an HT. It should be closer, but maybe not close
enough.

Perhaps someone else can comment on how accurate the measurements come
out when mounting a rubber duckie directly on an H4?

Manfred









Re: Calibration question

 

Yes, I have noted that the SWR changes when holding the VNA vs. not holding it, and touching the SMA connector vs. not touching it. The readings generally are better when touching vs. not touching.

Ken, W4KRR

On 4/23/2025 12:20 PM, Manfred Mornhinweg via groups.io wrote:
I have a whole load of rubber duck antennas that I'm checking so see at
what range they should work best.
Ken,
the behavior of rubber duckies depends significantly on the radio they are attached to. So, to get reasonably accurate results when measuring them with the nanoVNA, I suggest that you build a metal bracket about the size of a typical HT, covered with some insulation to mimmick the plastic body of an HT, mount the nanoVNA in that bracket, its measuring port bonded to the bracket, and then hold that contraption in your hand like you would hold an HT, while making the measurements.

You could even use a plastic box the size of an HT, covered with aluminium foil on the inside, properly bonded to the nanoVNA's port.

Of course you need to run the nanoVNA without an USB cable connected.

You will see that depending on how you grab that test contraption, the measured values will shift somewhat. If you mount the antenna directly to the nanoVNA, they will shift more, since the nanoVNA is a lot smaller than an HT, at least the 2.8" screen version. I haven't compared the size of the H4 version to that of an HT. It should be closer, but maybe not close enough.

Perhaps someone else can comment on how accurate the measurements come out when mounting a rubber duckie directly on an H4?

Manfred




Re: Calibration question

 

I have a whole load of rubber duck antennas that I'm checking so see at
what range they should work best.
Ken,
the behavior of rubber duckies depends significantly on the radio they are attached to. So, to get reasonably accurate results when measuring them with the nanoVNA, I suggest that you build a metal bracket about the size of a typical HT, covered with some insulation to mimmick the plastic body of an HT, mount the nanoVNA in that bracket, its measuring port bonded to the bracket, and then hold that contraption in your hand like you would hold an HT, while making the measurements.

You could even use a plastic box the size of an HT, covered with aluminium foil on the inside, properly bonded to the nanoVNA's port.

Of course you need to run the nanoVNA without an USB cable connected.

You will see that depending on how you grab that test contraption, the measured values will shift somewhat. If you mount the antenna directly to the nanoVNA, they will shift more, since the nanoVNA is a lot smaller than an HT, at least the 2.8" screen version. I haven't compared the size of the H4 version to that of an HT. It should be closer, but maybe not close enough.

Perhaps someone else can comment on how accurate the measurements come out when mounting a rubber duckie directly on an H4?

Manfred


Re: Save change to active trace

 

make the swr trace active and then press on calib (without recalibrating) and then save to slot 0 (default slot on boot up) ... i do the same if i want other settings to be saved (be it avg setting or number of points or whatever)

dg9bfc sigi

Am 22.04.2025 um 11:36 schrieb Torbj?rn Toreson via groups.io:

When I have made a calibration that firstly involves a SWR trace and secondly a trace for Smith, then the Smith-trace is the active trace. Is it possible to afterwards when having changed so that the SWR-trace is the active trace to save that change so when restarting the NanoVNA the SWR-trace is the active trace? Config > Save Config does not help. I realize that making the SWR-trace active before calibration and saving would accomplish that, but afterwards?
73/Torbj?rn/SM6AYM




Re: Calibration question

 

QUOTE: Be sure to calibrate to the end of the coax at the antenna. Coax
will influence the measurements, especially if it is longer than a
wavelength. (unless is is electrically an odd multiple of a half wave.) You
will find your measurement make more sense at VHF/UHF frequencies with the
NanoVNA calibrated to the antenna end of the coax.

****

A bit of a correction is in order:

1) COAX WILL NOT INFLUENCE THE MEASUREMAENTS. But if there is a mismatch
at the antenna where the coax connects to the antenna, the COAX WILL ALTER
the IMPEDANCE. That alteration is what you will measure between the
antenna feedpoint and the shack end of the coax.

2) ANY WHOLE NUMBER MULTIPLE of an electrical 1/2-wavelength in the coax
will reflect the actual antenna feedpoint impedance with a bit loss
included. A 1/2-wavelength is also fully around, 360-degrees or
2¦Ð-radians, the Smith Chart.

3) Once you calibrate the feed coax at the end where it would connect to
the antenna feedpoint, you will measure the actual antenna feedpoint
impedance at the shack end of the coax regardless of coax length.

Dave - W?LEV

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 10:25?PM Russ via groups.io <u.rusty=
[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 08:10 AM, Kenneth Roberts wrote:


I'm new to the NanoVNA H-4. If I calibrate for SWR in the range of
144-174,
and then I change the range to, say, 144-148, do I need to re calibrate?
I always do, just to obtain as much accuracy as possible.

Also: Be sure to calibrate to the end of the coax at the antenna. Coax
will influence the measurements, especially if it is longer than a
wavelength. (unless is is electrically an odd multiple of a half wave.) You
will find your measurement make more sense at VHF/UHF frequencies with the
NanoVNA calibrated to the antenna end of the coax.





--

*Dave - W?LEV*


--
Dave - W?LEV


Re: Calibration question

 

Thanks to all for the advice.

I have a whole load of rubber duck antennas that I'm checking so see at what range they should work best.? Some of them I don't even know what band they're supposed to be designed for.?? Good learning experience for using the Nano.

Ken, W4KRR

On 4/22/2025 6:25 PM, Russ via groups.io wrote:
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 08:10 AM, Kenneth Roberts wrote:

I'm new to the NanoVNA H-4.? If I calibrate for SWR in the range of 144-174,
and then I change the range to, say, 144-148, do I need to re calibrate?
I always do, just to obtain as much accuracy as possible.

Also: Be sure to calibrate to the end of the coax at the antenna. Coax will influence the measurements, especially if it is longer than a wavelength. (unless is is electrically an odd multiple of a half wave.) You will find your measurement make more sense at VHF/UHF frequencies with the NanoVNA calibrated to the antenna end of the coax.




Re: Calibration question

 

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 09:22 AM, Jon wrote:


As the second range is well within the first range
With the second range within the first range, the nanovna does an excellent job of interpolating between the calibration points, and you will get good readings, especially for general tasks like return loss, SWR, attenuation, etc. But if you need the best precision in the results, do a calibration at the new range.


Re: Calibration question

 

I myself wouldn't be sure of the results. I would re-calibrate it for
144-148 MHz. Then store in a different memory slot than the one I stored
144-174 MHz in. It only takes a few minutes to calibrate it.

Zack W9SZ

<>
Virus-free.www.avg.com
<>
<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 11:22?AM Jon via groups.io <vu2jo0=
[email protected]> wrote:

As the second range is well within the first range, you may be able to get
away with it, though the ideal way is as Dave has mentioned.

73
Jon, VU2JO

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 8:40?PM Kenneth Roberts via groups.io <kenr313=
[email protected]> wrote:

I'm new to the NanoVNA H-4. If I calibrate for SWR in the range of
144-174, and then I change the range to, say, 144-148, do I need to re
calibrate?

IOW, for the purposes of SWR readings, under what circumstances do I
need to re calibrate?











Re: H4 calibration

 

I would re-calibrate when I change to 144-148 MHz. That way I'd be sure.
I'd probably save that in a different memory slot than the 144-174 MHz.

Zack W9SZ

<>
Virus-free.www.avg.com
<>
<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 10:35?AM Kenneth Roberts via groups.io <kenr313=
[email protected]> wrote:

Just received my H4. If I calibrate for a range of, say, 144-174 MHz, can
I change the range to 144-148 without recalibrating? I guess I'm asking
under what circumstances is recalibration necessary?






Re: Calibration question

 

As the second range is well within the first range, you may be able to get
away with it, though the ideal way is as Dave has mentioned.

73
Jon, VU2JO

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 8:40?PM Kenneth Roberts via groups.io <kenr313=
[email protected]> wrote:

I'm new to the NanoVNA H-4. If I calibrate for SWR in the range of
144-174, and then I change the range to, say, 144-148, do I need to re
calibrate?

IOW, for the purposes of SWR readings, under what circumstances do I
need to re calibrate?







Re: H4 calibration

 

You will only have valid measurements within the frequency range you calibrated. You can decrease the frequency range and the firmware will interpolate between the calibrated points but the accuracy will decrease.


H4 calibration

 

Just received my H4. If I calibrate for a range of, say, 144-174 MHz, can I change the range to 144-148 without recalibrating? I guess I'm asking under what circumstances is recalibration necessary?


Re: Calibration question

 

When changing sweep ranges, it's always a good idea to recal.

Dave - W?LEV

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 3:10?PM Kenneth Roberts via groups.io <kenr313=
[email protected]> wrote:

I'm new to the NanoVNA H-4. If I calibrate for SWR in the range of
144-174, and then I change the range to, say, 144-148, do I need to re
calibrate?

IOW, for the purposes of SWR readings, under what circumstances do I
need to re calibrate?






--

*Dave - W?LEV*


--
Dave - W?LEV


Calibration question

 

I'm new to the NanoVNA H-4.? If I calibrate for SWR in the range of 144-174, and then I change the range to, say, 144-148, do I need to re calibrate?

IOW, for the purposes of SWR readings, under what circumstances do I need to re calibrate?


Re: Save change to active trace

 

By design, slot 0 is activated on power-up, not any other slot.

Yes, if you calibrate, then change trace and display options, then save calibration again, it save the currently active calibration and current display/trace setup, no matter which slot (or SD card file name) you save it to.


Re: Windows 11 & NanoVNA H4

 

On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 06:05 AM, PE0CWK wrote:


Maybe the firmware version of my NanoVNA -H4 is important.
Yes I think the nanovna firmware version needs to be somewhat recent. This capability was added a year or so ago I think. You can also get the current firmware for the H4 from DiSlord's nanovna-d github page.


Re: Windows 11 & NanoVNA H4

 

Stan,

Thank you for your tip about the little camera icon in NanoVNA-app. Interesting. I gave it a try. Clicking on it, the pop up screenshot is there, but it updates the small screen only when I click on the refresh button. The switch is set Remote, but it becomes not a live update. The interaction with the mouse pointer is also not possible. The baudrate showed a value that my Com Port driver does not support, but after setting the baudrate (115200) of the Com port in Device Manager of Windows 10 the same as in the Nano VNA app (115200) and relaunched the NanoVNA app (version1.1.218)? with status connected, then still no interaction. Only the refresh button works. Maybe the firmware version of my NanoVNA -H4 is important. It would have been nice if it worked but I don't make a big deal out of it.
Kees, PE0CWK

Op 22-4-2025 om 02:04 schreef Stan Dye via groups.io:

Torbjorn,
In nanovna-app, click the little 'camera' icon at the top of the main window. It will pop up a screenshot of the nanovna in a new window. That new window has a 'Remote" switch, toggle it on, and the screenshot will become a live update of the nanovna screen, and you can also interact with it using the mouse pointer to move markers, bring up menus, etc., as if you were touching the nanovna screen.

If your nanovna-app does not do this, you may not have a current enough version - you can the latest from DiSlord's github page.
Stan KC7XE





Re: Windows 11 & NanoVNA H4

 

Stan,

Thank you for your tip about the little camera icon in NanoVNA-app. Interesting. I gave it a try. Clicking on it, the pop up screenshot is there, but it updates the small screen only when I click on the refresh button. The switch is set Remote, but it becomes not a live update. The interaction with the mouse pointer is also not possible. The baudrate showed a value that my Com Port driver does not support, but after setting the baudrate (115200) of the Com port in Device Manager of Windows 10 the same as in the Nano VNA app (115200) and relaunched the NanoVNA app (version1.1.218)? with status connected, then still no interaction. Only the refresh button works. MaybethefirmwareversionofmyNanoVNA -H4isimportant. ItwouldhavebeenniceifitworkedbutIdon'tmakeabigdealoutofit. Kees, PE0CWK
Op 22-4-2025 om 02:04 schreef Stan Dye via groups.io:

Torbjorn,
In nanovna-app, click the little 'camera' icon at the top of the main window. It will pop up a screenshot of the nanovna in a new window. That new window has a 'Remote" switch, toggle it on, and the screenshot will become a live update of the nanovna screen, and you can also interact with it using the mouse pointer to move markers, bring up menus, etc., as if you were touching the nanovna screen.

If your nanovna-app does not do this, you may not have a current enough version - you can the latest from DiSlord's github page.
Stan KC7XE





Re: Save change to active trace

 

It only works for Save 0. Not for other recalls even if I have changed SWR to active trace and made Calibrate > Save. But if I make Calibrate > Calibrate > Done SWR will remain as the active trace. I hope the previous calibration is still there.
73/Torbj?rn

22 apr. 2025 kl. 12:50 skrev DiSlord via groups.io <dislordlive@...>:

Save calibration again after change trace type and settings





Re: Save change to active trace

 

Save calibration again after change trace type and settings