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i'm inclined to try brave browser (per randy rec) but someone else recommended i try puffin browser, too, especially for upload speed...any thoughts about puffin browser?
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 10:33 AM, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
i'm inclined to try brave browser (per randy rec) but someone else recommended i try puffin browser, too, especially for upload speed...any thoughts about puffin browser? This is the first that I’ve heard of it. None of the sites that I regularly follow with regard to browser security even mention it. There is some information here: Apparently there is both a free and a paid premium version. The free version doesn’t block ads. That’s a feature that I wouldn’t do without. My advice would be to install Brave, and if you are interested in Puffin, try it too. In fact, install as many browsers as you like. They are all free (mostly), and they don’t conflict with each other. I, personally once had eight different browsers installed. It became clear pretty quickly which the better ones were. Trash all the ones that you don’t like, keep one or two that you do. I want to point out that there are OVER 200 BROWSERS for the Macintosh. (Really!) <> You are constantly going to be coming across new ones. You don’t have to check out all of them, you only need ONE really, really good one. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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i agree on the ad-blocking feature so i installed brave...running brave, i ran a test on and was surprised to find download and upload results the same as when i do the test while running chrome....on both tests, my download speed was about 475mbps but upload speed was about 12mbps...seems really slow...seems obvious (mind you, i'm guessing) that the speed determinant is the provider, not the browser...is that correct?
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 12:56?PM Randy B. Singer < randy@...> wrote:
Apparently there is both a free and a paid premium version.? The free version doesn’t block ads.? That’s a feature that I wouldn’t do without.
My advice would be to install Brave?
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 11:19 AM, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
i agree on the ad-blocking feature so i installed brave...running brave, i ran a test on speedtest.net and was surprised to find download and upload results the same as when i do the test while running chrome....on both tests, my download speed was about 475mbps but upload speed was about 12mbps...seems reallyslow...seems obvious (mind you, i'm guessing) that the speed determinant is the provider, not the browser...is that correct? I would think so. Try: __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Why do ?(250 mbs) and ?(442.72 mbs) produce such different results? (How is anyone supposed to believe them?) On Feb 2, 2024, at 14:50, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote: On Feb 2, 2024, at 11:19 AM, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
i agree on the ad-blocking feature so i installed brave...running brave, i ran a test on speedtest.net and was surprised to find download and upload results the same as when i do the test while running chrome....on both tests, my download speed was about 475mbps but upload speed was about 12mbps...seems reallyslow...seems obvious (mind you, i'm guessing) that the speed determinant is the provider, not the browser...is that correct?
I would think so. Try: https://Fast.com __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice http://www.macattorney.com/welcome.html __________________________________________________
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did test and it showed upload speed of 10mbps...with upload was 12mbps...isn't that really slow?
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 1:50?PM Randy B. Singer < randy@...> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2024, at 11:19 AM, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
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> i agree on the ad-blocking feature so i installed brave...running brave, i ran a test on and was surprised to find download and upload results the same as when i do the test while running chrome....on both tests, my download speed was about 475mbps but upload speed was about 12mbps...seems reallyslow...seems obvious (mind you, i'm guessing) that the speed determinant is the provider, not the browser...is that correct?
I would think so.
Try:
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I just did the test ?390 mbs, 38 Upload, speedtest.net 568.26 mbs, 35.68 Upload.
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Why do??(250 mbs) and??(442.72 mbs) produce such different results? (How is anyone supposed to believe them?)On Feb 2, 2024, at 14:50, Randy B. Singer < randy@...> wrote: On Feb 2, 2024, at 11:19 AM, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
i agree on the ad-blocking feature so i installed brave...running brave, i ran a test on speedtest.net and was surprised to find download and upload results the same as when i do the test while running chrome....on both tests, my download speed was about 475mbps but upload speed was about 12mbps...seems reallyslow...seems obvious (mind you, i'm guessing) that the speed determinant is the provider, not the browser...is that correct?
I would think so. Try: https://Fast.com __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice http://www.macattorney.com/welcome.html __________________________________________________
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Why is it that when I try to use Constant Contact with the Brave browser, it freezes? And CC recommends that? you use Chrome, too.
On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 01:56:44 PM EST, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 2024, at 10:33 AM, tim meidroth < timmeidroth@...> wrote: > > i'm inclined to try brave browser (per randy rec) but someone else recommended i try puffin browser, too, especially for upload speed...any thoughts about puffin browser? This is the first that I’ve heard of it.? None of the sites that I regularly follow with regard to browser security even mention it. There is some information here: Apparently there is both a free and a paid premium version.? The free version doesn’t block ads.? That’s a feature that I wouldn’t do without. My advice would be to install Brave, and if you are interested in Puffin, try it too.? In fact, install as many browsers as you like.? They are all free (mostly), and they don’t conflict with each other.? I, personally once had eight different browsers installed.? It became clear pretty quickly which the better ones were.? Trash all the ones that you don’t like, keep one or two that you do. I want to point out that there are OVER 200 BROWSERS for the Macintosh.? (Really!)? <> You are constantly going to be coming across new ones.? You don’t have to check out all of them, you only need ONE really, really good one. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 11:19, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
mind you, i'm guessing) that the speed determinant is the provider, not the browser...is that correct? Correct. What the browser brings to the table is various levels of privacy, ad blocking, blocking tracking and various built-in search engine availability, not speed
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A lot depends upon the remote server that you choose. One might have a server that is further from you than the other.?
I live in Oregon. I will get better speeds if I choose a server in San Francisco or San Jose, than if I were to select one in Texas. Even if both tests were run on the same test url.?
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 12:09, Madeline Koch <madeline@...> wrote:
? Why do ?(250 mbs) and ?(442.72 mbs) produce such different results? (How is anyone supposed to believe them?) On Feb 2, 2024, at 14:50, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote: On Feb 2, 2024, at 11:19 AM, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
i agree on the ad-blocking feature so i installed brave...running brave, i ran a test on speedtest.net and was surprised to find download and upload results the same as when i do the test while running chrome....on both tests, my download speed was about 475mbps but upload speed was about 12mbps...seems reallyslow...seems obvious (mind you, i'm guessing) that the speed determinant is the provider, not the browser...is that correct?
I would think so. Try: https://Fast.com __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice http://www.macattorney.com/welcome.html __________________________________________________
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 2:10?PM, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
did test and it showed upload speed of 10mbps...with upload was 12mbps...isn't that really slow?
That’s normal with some ISPs. ?With a cable ISP, Spectrum, we have good download speeds (~350Mbps), but very slow uploads (~11 Mbps). These are a little better than the promised speeds for out Internet package. ?We don’t upload huge amounts of data, so it works for us. ? -- Bev in TX
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tim wrote: i agree on the ad-blocking feature so i installed brave...running brave, i ran a test on speedtest.net and was surprised to find download and upload results the same as when i do the test while running chrome....on both tests, my download speed was about 475mbps but upload speed was about 12mbps...seems really slow...seems obvious (mind you, i'm guessing) that the speed determinant is the provider, not the browser...is that correct? Speedtest.net On a desktop Mac connected to “gigabit” Fios Safari Download Mbps 470.01 Upload Mbps 730.42 Brave Download Mbps 745.47 Upload Mbps 939.48 DuckDuckGo Download Mbps 928.46 Upload Mbps 934.46 Edge Download Mbps 718.43 Upload Mbps 934.26 Of course, functionally720 and 920 are indistinguishable for all but the largest files, and 470 is only a little behind. -- Jim Saklad jimdoc@...
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my upload speed with comcast/xfinity isp and brave:? ? ?12mbps jim saklad's upload speed with (what isp?) and brave: 939mbps? ...something is seriously wrong with this picture!
?Speedtest.net
On a desktop Mac connected to “gigabit” Fios
Brave
Download Mbps? ?745.47
Upload? ?Mbps? ?939.48
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 7:48?PM, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
my upload speed with comcast/xfinity isp and brave:? ? ?12mbps jim saklad's upload speed with (what isp?) and brave: 939mbps? ...something is seriously wrong with this picture!
It depends on your ISP. ?Check with your ISP to determine whether you are getting promised upload speeds. -- Bev in TX
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It's usual in the UK for download:upload speeds to be in the ratio 10:1 and I’d guess the same would apply to at least some ISPs elsewhere. The reasoning is that most users do a lot of downloading and very little uploading so it makes no sense to give uploading any larger share of the bandwidth. If you run a server open to the web, which anyone can download from (*your upload*!), then your needs are very different, of course.
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my upload speed with comcast/xfinity isp and brave:? ? ?12mbps jim saklad's upload speed with (what isp?) and brave: 939mbps? ...something is seriously wrong with this picture! ?
On a desktop Mac connected to “gigabit” Fios
Brave
Download Mbps? ?745.47
Upload? ?Mbps? ?939.48
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On Feb 2, 2024, at 6:48?PM, tim meidroth <timmeidroth@...> wrote:
my upload speed with comcast/xfinity isp and brave:? ? ?12mbps jim saklad's upload speed with (what isp?) and brave: 939mbps? ...something is?seriously?wrong with this picture!
As others have stated, that’s typically what most ISPs promise. I think FIOS, on the other hand, promises SYMMETRICAL download and upload speeds
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actually, there are an astonishing number of people who upload videos every day, although accuracy of the estimated volume is very hard to pin down, if not impossible…here are some conservative estimates of?DAILY video uploads on five popular platforms:
facebook ? 2 billion?
twitter/X? 1 billion?
instagram 95 million
tiktok? ? 34 million
youtube? ? 4 million
TOTAL ? ? A BIG NUMBER
my fixation on this has to do with my uploading videos on youtube at 12mbps (isp comcast/xfinity)...uploading a 10-minute video at that speed can seem interminable...jim saklad's upload speed is 75 times faster than mine...i suspect a 10-minute video upload would take a minute, maybe less...my question is, how is it possible for his upload speed to be 75 times faster than mine?...he says his imac in connected to "gigabit" Fios...what is that?...what isp is providing that kind of upload speed?? ?
On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 5:17?AM Otto Nikolaus via <otto.nikolaus= [email protected]> wrote: It's usual in the UK for download:upload speeds to be in the ratio 10:1 and I’d guess the same would apply to at least some ISPs elsewhere. The reasoning is that most users do a lot of downloading and very little uploading so it makes no sense to give uploading any larger share of the bandwidth. If you run a server open to the web, which anyone can download from (*your upload*!), then your needs are very different, of course.
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my upload speed with comcast/xfinity isp and brave:? ? ?12mbps jim saklad's upload speed with (what isp?) and brave: 939mbps? ...something is seriously wrong with this picture! ?
On a desktop Mac connected to “gigabit” Fios
Brave
Download Mbps? ?745.47
Upload? ?Mbps? ?939.48
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is jim's upload speed a result of this option from verizon? Fios Gigabit Connection $89.99/mo.* Up to 940Mbps
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On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 10:30?AM tim meidroth via <timmeidroth= [email protected]> wrote:
actually, there are an astonishing number of people who upload videos every day, although accuracy of the estimated volume is very hard to pin down, if not impossible…here are some conservative estimates of?DAILY video uploads on five popular platforms:
facebook ? 2 billion?
twitter/X? 1 billion?
instagram 95 million
tiktok? ? 34 million
youtube? ? 4 million
TOTAL ? ? A BIG NUMBER
my fixation on this has to do with my uploading videos on youtube at 12mbps (isp comcast/xfinity)...uploading a 10-minute video at that speed can seem interminable...jim saklad's upload speed is 75 times faster than mine...i suspect a 10-minute video upload would take a minute, maybe less...my question is, how is it possible for his upload speed to be 75 times faster than mine?...he says his imac in connected to "gigabit" Fios...what is that?...what isp is providing that kind of upload speed?? ? On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 5:17?AM Otto Nikolaus via <otto.nikolaus= [email protected]> wrote: It's usual in the UK for download:upload speeds to be in the ratio 10:1 and I’d guess the same would apply to at least some ISPs elsewhere. The reasoning is that most users do a lot of downloading and very little uploading so it makes no sense to give uploading any larger share of the bandwidth. If you run a server open to the web, which anyone can download from (*your upload*!), then your needs are very different, of course.
Otto
my upload speed with comcast/xfinity isp and brave:? ? ?12mbps jim saklad's upload speed with (what isp?) and brave: 939mbps? ...something is seriously wrong with this picture! ?
On a desktop Mac connected to “gigabit” Fios
Brave
Download Mbps? ?745.47
Upload? ?Mbps? ?939.48
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