On Nov 3, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Joe Masters < joe@...> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2019, at 14:35, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io < pat412@...> wrote:
Catalina 10.15.1 is the current version and was released to the public on October 29, 2019.
I think what Vince was getting at was why the ¡®beta¡¯ after 10.15.1.
Good morning ¨C ? Would anyone want to hazard a guess why the Catalina version available for download in the App Store is labelled Catalina 10.15.1 beta? ? Thank you. ? -- Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ ?
I¡¯m in the US and the App Store listing doesn¡¯t indicate that it¡¯s beta:
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Otto, do you have an account where you are not a moderator? What do you see from that? Brent, on my iPad
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On Nov 3, 2019, at 6:33 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io < otto.nikolaus@...> wrote: Brent,
I'm only telling you what I see. The setting for Privacy > Member Directory says Subscribers. I don't know why you see something different. Perhaps it's a glitch??
Otto? I beg to differ, Mr Moderator.?
I was logged in as a member where I copied and pasted that message into my post. Then I used the link included, and looked at my profile privacy settings. They were set to what I believe is the default, "Only group owners & moderators." of which you, Otto, are a moderator. I believe the other options were visible to members or public. 3 total options.
I know I hadn't changed them. About the only thing I changed from the default on any of my memberships, was add an image to my groups dot io membership. Which passed it to the 4 groups I belong to.
Besides, you need to be logged in to get to the Directory area.
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I find that it makes all the difference if I search for OS X <appname> or macOS <appname> Do that and you?are much more likely to find what you are looking for, and quickly.
It's not in the App Store.
Otto
On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 at 13:27, Sew Walker < sewnyes@...> wrote: I have Mac OS Catalina 10.15.1 I can not find a website to download?ONYX. - Does any one know of one?
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now there are 17 visible in the directory...they are in alphabetical order, horizontally, left to right, top row first and so on...since the listings shown go from a to t it's logical there are no more listings...i.e., no more pages...all this goes back to the original question, which is: what determines whther a member/subscriber is in the directory?
On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 7:27 AM Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678= [email protected]> wrote: I beg to differ, Mr Moderator.?
I was logged in as a member where I copied and pasted that message into my post. Then I used the link included, and looked at my profile privacy settings. They were set to what I believe is the default, "Only group owners & moderators." of which you, Otto, are a moderator. I believe the other options were visible to members or public. 3 total options.
I know I hadn't changed them. About the only thing I changed from the default on any of my memberships, was add an image to my groups dot io membership. Which passed it to the 4 groups I belong to.
Besides, you need to be logged in to get to the Directory area. Brent, on my iPad All subscribers can view the Directory. You need to be logged in.?
There are 14 pages.
Otto Hmmm, I see none, and where the list would be I see the message below:
This member directory is only visible to members of your group. In order to view the member directory, you must change your?profile privacy setting?to either Other Members of Your Group, or to Public.
Mine is set to: "Only group owners & moderators.", which I believe is the default.
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On 3 Nov 2019, at 14:35, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io < pat412@...> wrote:
Catalina 10.15.1 is the current version and was released to the public on October 29, 2019.
I think what Vince was getting at was why the ¡®beta¡¯ after 10.15.1.
Good morning ¨C ? Would anyone want to hazard a guess why the Catalina version available for download in the App Store is labelled Catalina 10.15.1 beta? ? Thank you. ? -- Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ ?
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Re: How to type Apple symbol/logo ?
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No apologies necessary.
So the flag shows only if you have more than 1 keyboard in your Input Menu, and that is still the case?
Otto
Howdy.
I think I owe the group and (Otto and Brent) an apology about the Input
menu.
I used to add an Italian keyboard to the Input menu but have not done
so recently.?
I saw the square black & white Input menu icon on my Mac until, just
now, I added an Italian keyboard in Input Sources.?
The Input black & white Input Menu icon immediately changed to the US
flag.? If I click and change to the Italian keyboard the flag changes
to the Italian flag.
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Catalina 10.15.1 is the current version and was released to the public on October 29, 2019.
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Good morning ¨C ? Would anyone want to hazard a guess why the Catalina version available for download in the App Store is labelled Catalina 10.15.1 beta? ? Thank you. ? -- Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ ?
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Brent,
I'm only telling you what I see. The setting for Privacy > Member Directory says Subscribers. I don't know why you see something different. Perhaps it's a glitch??
Otto?
I beg to differ, Mr Moderator.?
I was logged in as a member where I copied and pasted that message into my post. Then I used the link included, and looked at my profile privacy settings. They were set to what I believe is the default, "Only group owners & moderators." of which you, Otto, are a moderator. I believe the other options were visible to members or public. 3 total options.
I know I hadn't changed them. About the only thing I changed from the default on any of my memberships, was add an image to my groups dot io membership. Which passed it to the 4 groups I belong to.
Besides, you need to be logged in to get to the Directory area.
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Good morning ¨C ? Would anyone want to hazard a guess why the Catalina version available for download in the App Store is labelled Catalina 10.15.1 beta? ? Thank you. ? -- Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ ?
Not on the UK App Store it¡¯s not.
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Good morning ¨C
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Would anyone want to hazard a guess why the Catalina version available for download in the App Store is labelled Catalina 10.15.1 beta?
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Thank you.
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Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ
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A simple web search reveals ? ?I don't know if it is in the App Store.
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On Nov 3, 2019, at 5:27 AM, Sew Walker < sewnyes@...> wrote: I have Mac OS Catalina 10.15.1 I can not find a website to download?ONYX. - Does any one know of one? thanks Sue
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Dan,
Thank you, but I need no apology. You acknowledge the incorrect comment and we move on. You are a great resource for knowledge, and keep us informed of changes.
We all sometimes we forget that what we sit before every day is not a virgin, unaltered system, the same as everyone else. That is why it is important to include info on hardware and software, but difficult to include ann the modifications we have made, some decades ago.
Brent,
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On Nov 3, 2019, at 5:14 AM, Daniel Settles <denver1.dan1@...> wrote:
Howdy.
I think I owe the group and (Otto and Brent) an apology about the Input
menu.
I used to add an Italian keyboard to the Input menu but have not done
so recently.
I saw the square black & white Input menu icon on my Mac until, just
now, I added an Italian keyboard in Input Sources.
The Input black & white Input Menu icon immediately changed to the US
flag. If I click and change to the Italian keyboard the flag changes
to the Italian flag.
Denver Dan
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:18:39 -0700, Brent via Groups.Io wrote:
Dan, Jim S posted an image of the US flag and he is on 10.15.1. I am
running 10.7.5, currently as stated, and can change between the two
icons, by making a change in Sys Prefs/ Keyboard/ Keyboard (tab).
Brent
On Nov 2, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Daniel Settles wrote:
Howdy.
Brent, I did attach the Input menu icon from Catalina. It didn't make
it through. Not sure why it didn't.
In your smaller screen capture, the US flag is the Input menu from an
older OS X. The flag is for the selected or language keyboard. For
example, if you were running a French OS X it would be a French
Tricolor. You can have multiple language keyboards and just pick them
to switch between them.
In your larger Input menu icon screen cap, I think that is the icon
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I beg to differ, Mr Moderator.?
I was logged in as a member where I copied and pasted that message into my post. Then I used the link included, and looked at my profile privacy settings. They were set to what I believe is the default, "Only group owners & moderators." of which you, Otto, are a moderator. I believe the other options were visible to members or public. 3 total options.
I know I hadn't changed them. About the only thing I changed from the default on any of my memberships, was add an image to my groups dot io membership. Which passed it to the 4 groups I belong to.
Besides, you need to be logged in to get to the Directory area. Brent, on my iPad
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On Nov 3, 2019, at 2:26 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io < otto.nikolaus@...> wrote: All subscribers can view the Directory. You need to be logged in.?
There are 14 pages.
Otto Hmmm, I see none, and where the list would be I see the message below:
This member directory is only visible to members of your group. In order to view the member directory, you must change your?profile privacy setting?to either Other Members of Your Group, or to Public.
Mine is set to: "Only group owners & moderators.", which I believe is the default.
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I have Mac OS Catalina 10.15.1 I can not find a website to download?ONYX. - Does any one know of one? thanks Sue
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Howdy. I think I owe the group and (Otto and Brent) an apology about the Input menu. I used to add an Italian keyboard to the Input menu but have not done so recently. I saw the square black & white Input menu icon on my Mac until, just now, I added an Italian keyboard in Input Sources. The Input black & white Input Menu icon immediately changed to the US flag. If I click and change to the Italian keyboard the flag changes to the Italian flag. Denver Dan On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:18:39 -0700, Brent via Groups.Io wrote: Dan, Jim S posted an image of the US flag and he is on 10.15.1. I am
running 10.7.5, currently as stated, and can change between the two
icons, by making a change in Sys Prefs/ Keyboard/ Keyboard (tab).
Brent
On Nov 2, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Daniel Settles wrote:
Howdy.
Brent, I did attach the Input menu icon from Catalina. It didn't make
it through. Not sure why it didn't.
In your smaller screen capture, the US flag is the Input menu from an
older OS X. The flag is for the selected or language keyboard. For
example, if you were running a French OS X it would be a French
Tricolor. You can have multiple language keyboards and just pick them
to switch between them.
In your larger Input menu icon screen cap, I think that is the icon
from the OS X Mojave or High Sierra. It has the little star in it. [|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|] iSent from iDan's GyazMail on my MacPro
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All subscribers can view the Directory. You need to be logged in.?
There are 14 pages.
Otto
Hmmm, I see none, and where the list would be I see the message below:
This member directory is only visible to members of your group. In order to view the member directory, you must change your?profile privacy setting?to either Other Members of Your Group, or to Public.
Mine is set to: "Only group owners & moderators.", which I believe is the default.
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Re: My unhappy MacBook Pro
On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:58 PM, Brent via Groups.Io < whodo678@...> wrote:
Jim R, first Apple does not charge for diagnosis work. Second, they will quote you a flat rate charge for out of warranty work, if they currently stock the part. I think for my early 2008 MBP about 3 years out of warranty, it was somewhere between $350 to $600 flat rate. It is up to you before you release the device to them to determine if the needed part and device are worth it to you for that rate. If they discover another issue, I believe they will also cover that for the one charge at the same time.
No need to exaggerate.
I mentioned my reservations contacting Apple¡¯s telephone support regarding the keyboard on my 2016 Touch Bar MacBook Pro because my experience after bringing my laptop to the Genius Bar at my local Apple Retail Store (when local wasn¡¯t 167 miles away was exactly what I described.
My stepson worked at an auto parts store while he was in architectural graduate school. The Windows keyboards there were filthy, and periodically individual keys would stop working. They would disconnect the keyboards from power, make sure they were grounded, then very carefully mask off problematic regions of the keyboard and scrub them with a water miscible but non electrolytic solvent. In most cases that resuscitated the keyboards.
I spilled a small amount of soft drink on the o,p,[,] area of my laptop¡¯s keyboard more than 2 years ago, and quite quickly those keys began to malfuntion. My stepson had me procure a bottle of the solvent, and in 20-30 minutes my keyboard worked well again.
In the time since then, the comma and period keys have become problematic twice. After Apple announced the four year coverage for the butterfly keyboard program, I took my laptop to the Apple Retail store, admitted there had been a liquid spill, but pointed out that the misbehaving keys now were nowhere near where the liquid spill had caused issues previously. The Genius was able to make the period key work somewhat better, but unable to eliminate its intermittency altogether. When I asked about the newly announced program, he stated that he didn¡¯t think my keyboard would qualify, but that I could arrange for shipping to an Apple corporate repair center (interestingly, he told me it might end up at an Apple-authorized 3rd party center. He warned me that even if there was no evidence of liquid intrusion at the location of the now recalcitrant keys, that evidence from the keys at the upper right almost certainly would disqualify it for coverage, in whch case I¡¯d be charged a diagnostic fee. I¡¯d also be offered the chance to pay a replacement part fee of $1500 for the entire top of the case (including the Touch Bar, Touch ID key, keyboard, speakers, and whatever else is attached to the underside of the top case.
I¡¯ll admit I did not verify that by calling Apple corporate support, so perhaps I was exaggerating, but that¡¯s what a Genius at my local Apple Retail Store told me without equivocation. I contended that I was complaining about an issue known to Apple, an issue so common and problematic that Apple was extending the duration during which they would make that extensive replacement repair to four years, and I was contending that it seemed unlikely that my current issue seemed to me and the tech at the retail store unrelated to the liquid spill. That policy could be rephrased as ¡°if your computer needs component A1 replaced because of a manufacturing defect, but in order to do that we must replace the entire A assembly, and your computer has a user problem with component A3 the warranty repair is unavailable to you.
Based on your assertion, I will call Apple Corporate repair and see what they tell me.
Jim Robertson
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Re: How to restore from Time Machine?
On Nov 2, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Beadnik <beadnik2@...> wrote:
Somehow my entire Applications folder was missing, as well as some plug ins for Photoshop. I found them all in a Time Machine backup. Should I just drag them into the appropriate place or is there a better method to install them. Did you look in the Trash for them? If you accidentally deleted them, you can ¡°put them back¡±. -- Bev in TX
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Re: How to restore from Time Machine?
Howdy. First some information. I'm adding extra info because I sense you may be new to the Macintosh? If I'm wrong, forgive me. There can be at least 2 Application folders and more. In the same way there are at least 3 Library folders. This is due to the multi-user nature of Unix and the secure nature of a user account. Are you sure the Applications folder in your Time Machine is the main one and not the often unused Applications folder found in your Home User Account? Time Machine has two main parts. 1. Time Machine panel in System Preferences. This is to configure Time Machine. 2. Time Machine.app found in your Applications folder. This is used to restore things. It's like a Wayback machine. The great trick to using Time Machine.app to restore is the FIRST, if you can, select the drive or folder with the item to be restored. Then launch Time Machine.app and it should go right to that backed up item. But without a TM app you can't do this. If Time Machine.app is missing along with the entire Applications folder you are out of luck. It is possible to drag items from a TM backup to the original location. With the entire Applications folder???? Lots of possible issues. I suggest booting from a USB bootable/installer flash drive and try to restore the Applications folder. Tip: When each major macOS X upgrade comes out I buy an 8 GB (16 for Catalina) Flash Drive and use Terminal to turn it into a macOS X bootable flash drive and system installer. When you have an emergency, as you do, you can boot the Mac from the flash drive and use the various utilities, installers, etc. If I had deleted my Applications folder, I'd wipe the boot drive and do a clean system install using the Recovery partition. If the Time Machine backup is on an external drive as it hopefully is, you could then use the newly installed Time Machine.app to restore some things. Denver Dan On Sat, 02 Nov 2019 14:58:33 -0700, Beadnik wrote: Somehow my entire Applications folder was missing, as well as some
plug ins for Photoshop. I found them all in a Time Machine backup.
Should I just drag them into the appropriate place or is there a
better method to install them.
Thanks.
JB
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The flag or the other icon, is an indication of the settings chosen in the Keyboard Prefs, at lease in older OS.
Brent
On Nov 2, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io wrote: That would be after 10.13. I don't see the value in the new icon, whereas?the old one told you at a glance which keyboard you have selected (right way up or not ;) ).?
Otto Howdy.
Otto, here's the tiny Input Menu current icon.? ?The square.? ?I don't
recall when the icon changed.
One can still open the Keyboard panel in Sys Prefs, click the Input
Sources tab, click the + sign and add all kinds of different language
keyboards.? ?One can even add an Australian English keyboard but oddly
it shows right side up.
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