Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
Interesting lead for a keyboard when I get the M4 Mini. ?
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On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 09:52 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
To muddy things up…I have two different models of Matias keyboard (from Canada) for the Mac, in my office.
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:49 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
On Nov 10, 2024, at 7:39 AM, Bayswater via <Bayswater@...> wrote:
On a Mac, Alt-Delete usually does that.
Randy looks all over his Apple keyboard for the “Alt” key….and fails to find it.
I suspect that you mean the “Option” key.
No, I meant the Alt key. ?When I saw your reply, I was curious and looked at 5 Apple keyboards I have handy. ?All but one have both Alt and Option on the key in question. ?The one that doesn’t is a new M2 Air.?
Do you know when you got those, and where are you?
Otto
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mai
On Nov 11, 2024, at 5:33?AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
In the UK the Option key was until recently labelled as ‘alt’, as on a PC kb. I’ve no idea why.
Otto
Now you’ve made me curious. ?
I didn’t start using Macs until 2008. ?On my 2008 Mac Pro and 2010 MacBook Pro keyboards, the key’s main label was option, but it in included a smaller alt on the upper left of the key. ? There is no mention anywhere about alt on my 2019 MacBook Pro (Intel) keyboard.
So I wondered whether any keyboard shortcuts lists mentioned anything about alt.
* My search found the following 2007 document, which doesn’t mention alt.
* After feeling a bit lost at sea when switching from MS Windows when I got my first Mac, I purchased O’Reilly’s “Mac OS X: Missing Manual Leopard”. ?They had a free download from an appendix in that book, “The Master Mac OS X Secret Keystroke List: Appendix E - Mac OSX: Missing Manual Leopard”. ?That appendix has no reference to alt. ?With that said, I dug around this morning and I was able to download a sample of that book from Apple Books. ?It says the following about that key, “The Option key (labeled Alt on keyboards in some countries) is sort of a "miscellaneous" key.” (The bolding was added by me.)
* In 2009, macmost.com had a similar shortcut list, “Snow Leopard Power User Keyboard Shortcuts”. ?It also doesn’t mention alt.
* The next keyboard shortcut list that I found was from a MacRumors 2011 guide. ?It too didn’t refer to the key as alt.
* Every other list that I have is much more recent. ?Apple’s current keyboard shortcut article mentions, “Option (or Alt) ?”, but it also mentions “Control (or Ctrl) ?”. ?It then goes on to say, “On keyboards made for Windows PCs, use the Alt key instead of Option, and the Ctrl key or Windows logo key instead of Command.”
In macOS Sonoma, there is no mention of alt in: Apple > Settings > Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts? I don’t remember whether that was the case for preferences in earlier OS versions.
So all of this has left me wondering what keyboard shortcut lists look like in countries that had the option key labeled as alt. ?Also, did their System Preferences show alt or option in their keyboard shortcuts?
-- Bev in TX
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
On 12 Nov 2024, at 05:52, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
On Nov 11, 2024, at 3:50 PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Thanks. I don’t know how that could be misinterpreted. UK Apple keyboards are now labelled with ‘Option’ but I don’t know when it changed from ‘alt’ (our Macs are 2012 or older). To muddy things up…I have two different models of Matias keyboard (from Canada) for the Mac, in my office.
One has an Option and a Command key, but no “Alt” anywhere.
The other has an Option key that is also marked with a little microsoft window symbol and the text “Start.” On that same keyboard, the Command key also has the text “Alt.”
So, apparently Alt is not always equal to Option. I *think* it always has been on Macs, but it’s a different story with Windows. It looks like the 2nd kb you describe is multi-platform. Otto
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Re: Can a 2017 21.5" iMac be repurposed as a monitor for an Apple Silicon Mac Mini?
On Nov 11, 2024, at 4:06 PM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
I’m wondering if I can repurpose the iMac screen to be a monitor for the Mini. This comes up all the time. Only a very few models of iMac can be used as an external monitor. For all of the rest, you can use Luna Display to do the job. See: Use your iMac as a display with target display mode Use your iMac as an external monitor Want to use an iMac as an external monitor? You need an old version of macOS Using 27-inch iMac As Monitor Requires Very Specific Cable Luna Display ($80) allows you to use iMacs that otherwise can't be used as an external display as one See: __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
On Nov 11, 2024, at 3:50 PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
Thanks. I don’t know how that could be misinterpreted. UK Apple keyboards are now labelled with ‘Option’ but I don’t know when it changed from ‘alt’ (our Macs are 2012 or older). To muddy things up…I have two different models of Matias keyboard (from Canada) for the Mac, in my office. One has an Option and a Command key, but no “Alt” anywhere. The other has an Option key that is also marked with a little microsoft window symbol and the text “Start.” On that same keyboard, the Command key also has the text “Alt.” So, apparently Alt is not always equal to Option. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Can a 2017 21.5" iMac be repurposed as a monitor for an Apple Silicon Mac Mini?
I’ve managed to keep my Intel iMac running by giving it a memory transplant and exorcising its “Fusion Drive,” repurposing the internal rotating platter drive to house one of my Time Machine backups.
But now there are new, smaller footprint Mac Minis, and I’m wondering if I can repurpose the iMac screen to be a monitor for the Mini. I also have another monitor that has multiple inputs, and I currently use both with the iMac. However, the iMac itself, of course, cannot run the current macOS, so I’m hoping I could extend its life a bit just acting as a screen.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
Thanks. I don’t know how that could be misinterpreted. UK Apple keyboards are now labelled with ‘Option’ but I don’t know when it changed from ‘alt’ (our Macs are 2012 or older).
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On 11 Nov 2024, at 21:09, Christopher Collins via < maclist@...> wrote:
No, he’s saying that the default GB layout is different to the default US layout.
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
Lighten up.
I just switched between the keyboard viewer in US, British and British PC. The bottom left 4 keys do not change. Now the 3 Apple specific keys are represented in special characters, not words or abbreviations. On the British, the only change is along the upper case numbers. The British PC has additional changes to the left of the return key and the key above on the right edge. I do not have access to a physical keyboard from any other country. Without further study, the only character that is not available with more than the shift key, is ?, but ? and � are both available on the US keyboard with the use of the option/ alt key and the use of the shift key, so I don’t need a GB physical keyboard.
As you can see from my later post, I found the alt on the option key.
I prefer not to call myself pedantic, but possibly on the fringe of the autistic scale, because my attention is drawn by things that most overlook. Because I don’t get out much since becoming less abled, I have become socially starved, and participating on certain list is how I compensate. Although I have always been a stickler for clear, unambiguous, and succinct communication.?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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On Nov 11, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Christopher Collins via < maclist@...> wrote:
No, he’s saying that the default GB layout is different to the default US layout. cjc On 12 Nov 2024, at 7:57?am, Brent via <whodo678@...> wrote:
That is interesting to know.
Are you saying what I see as a black cat, is black and white on your side?
Brent
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On Nov 11, 2024, at 03:33, Otto Nikolaus via <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
In the UK the Option key was until recently labelled as ‘alt’, as on a PC kb. I’ve no idea why.
Otto
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
All my Apple and Kensington keyboards have both. Since I have been known to use both Mac OS and Windows, I had not paid attention. I just call the key option.
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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On Nov 11, 2024, at 8:26 AM, Bayswater via < Bayswater@...> wrote:
On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:49 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
On Nov 10, 2024, at 7:39 AM, Bayswater via <Bayswater@...> wrote:
On a Mac, Alt-Delete usually does that.
Randy looks all over his Apple keyboard for the “Alt” key….and fails to find it.
I suspect that you mean the “Option” key.
No, I meant the Alt key. ?When I saw your reply, I was curious and looked at 5 Apple keyboards I have handy. ?All but one have both Alt and Option on the key in question. ?The one that doesn’t is a new M2 Air. ?
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
No, he’s saying that the default GB layout is different to the default US layout.
cjc
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On 12 Nov 2024, at 7:57?am, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
That is interesting to know.
Are you saying what I see as a black cat, is black and white on your side?
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
On Nov 11, 2024, at 03:33, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
In the UK the Option key was until recently labelled as ‘alt’, as on a PC kb. I’ve no idea why.
Otto
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
That is interesting to know.
Are you saying what I see as a black cat, is black and white on your side?
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Nov 11, 2024, at 03:33, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
In the UK the Option key was until recently labelled as ‘alt’, as on a PC kb. I’ve no idea why.
Otto
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:49 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote:
On Nov 10, 2024, at 7:39 AM, Bayswater via groups.io <Bayswater@...> wrote:
On a Mac, Alt-Delete usually does that.
Randy looks all over his Apple keyboard for the “Alt” key….and fails to find it.
I suspect that you mean the “Option” key.
No, I meant the Alt key. ?When I saw your reply, I was curious and looked at 5 Apple keyboards I have handy. ?All but one have both Alt and Option on the key in question. ?The one that doesn’t is a new M2 Air. ?
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
On 10 Nov 2024, at 16:49, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
On Nov 10, 2024, at 7:39 AM, Bayswater via groups.io <Bayswater@...> wrote:
On a Mac, Alt-Delete usually does that. Randy looks all over his Apple keyboard for the “Alt” key….and fails to find it.
I suspect that you mean the “Option” key. In the UK the Option key was until recently labelled as ‘alt’, as on a PC kb. I’ve no idea why. Otto
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MacBook Pro M4 Max Review at PetaPixel
I read a few photography sites and this just appeared on one of them
<https://petapixel.com/2024/11/07/apple-macbook-pro-with-m4-max-review-another-performance-leap/>
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Being a photography site, the emphasis might be different to the usual "computer" ones, so I thought it might be of interest here.
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Otto
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Re: Getting rid of Junk in Mail
On Nov 10, 2024, at 7:16?AM, Joan Sax via groups.io <jsax@...> wrote:
Is there any way to delete the contents of the Junk folder without the files migrating to ‘Trash’ where one has to ‘Select All’ once again to get rid of them?
Personally, I don’t bother, because generally speaking my mail servers automatically delete Junk/SPAM email after 30 days (iCloud, Gmail, & Yahoo!). Depending on the platform and account, you may find a setting for automatically deleting/erasing messages in Trash, Junk, or both. On a Mac Mail > Settings > Accounts tab > select an account Under Junk Mailbox: Erase junk messages: Select from several options (as short as 1 day) Under Trash Mailbox: Erase deleted messages: Select from several options (as short as 1 day) These options are available for all of my accounts, but I don’t know how “Never” interacts with the server automatically deleting junk/SPAM automatically after 30 days. There are fewer options on iPads and iPhones. On these devices only my Yahoo! Mail account has a similar option for specifying how long deleted mail is to be retained, and no option for junk/SPAM. Settings > Apps > Mail > Accounts > select account Account Settings > Advanced Under Deleted Messages: Remove: Never After one day After one week After one month I have always set to delete trash messages Never, so I am unfamiliar with other settings. Sometimes I’ve seen over active SPAM filtering send valid message to Junk/SPAM, so I try to check a couple times a month for misfiled messages. -- Bev in TX
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Re: Calendar can’t count 4 weeks
Jim Saklad wrote: I even have Reminders set for clock changes
Jim Robertson And, before dismissing “pedant mode” for the day, I’ll make the observation that probably neither of us lives close enough to an all-night airport for this to make any practical difference, but the times don’t change at 23:59, they do so at 0200.
I did that specifically and intentionally.
At “Fall Back” time change, I don’t much care that I’m getting an extra hour’s sleep that night, or that I will wake up an hour earlier than I expected to, so the Reminder is there simply to *remind* me. Except for our thermostats, pretty much all our clocks auto-change. Even the cars.
But at “Spring Forward” time change, I will lose an hour’s sleep, and I want to be reminded of that BEFORE I go to bed, in case I want to go to bed earlier than usual, or something. So even though the clocks shift at 0200, I set my Reminder for 2359, 2 hours before the event.
jimdoc@...
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Re: Calendar can’t count 4 weeks
I’m thinking you’re both correct to a point. Officially, the changes happen at 2:00 am, but if you fly or have to be at work in the early am, changing the clock as you go to bed the night before makes sense.?
My dad was a news photographer who flew internationally, long before “go bags” got their name. We were taught to write down messages in military time, in the time zone of the event, not the time zone of home base.?
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On Nov 10, 2024, at 12:10, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
? On Nov 10, 2024, at 12:02?PM, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
I even have Reminders set for clock changes:
And, before dismissing “pedant mode” for the day, I’ll make the observation that probably neither of us lives close enough to an all-night airport for this to make any practical difference, but the times don’t change at 23:59, they do so at 0200.
Admittedly, the likelihood that will make any difference in most people’s lives is minuscule.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Calendar can’t count 4 weeks
Yes, Bev’s suggestion works on my iPhone as well.
Thanks for reporting back! I will suggest that next time we all make comments on one thread, as now I see 3 separate threads all discussing the same issue ?
Jackie
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On Nov 10, 2024, at 2:24?PM, Joan Sax via groups.io <jsax@...> wrote:
I figured out what to do in Calendar to creat an event that repeats every 4 weeks.
Click on Custom, then Custom again, Frequency, Weekly, 4 (for four weeks)
Regards,
Joan
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Re: Calendar can’t count 4 weeks
I figured out what to do in Calendar to creat an event that repeats every 4 weeks.
Click on Custom, then Custom again, Frequency, Weekly, 4 (for four weeks)
Regards,
Joan
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Brent
Jim Saklad