On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Lee Larson via Groups.Io <leelarson@...> wrote:
On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:
But aren¡¯t you concerned that they might be part of an already assembled list of literary biggies to try? Checking for length would get them a shorter list of quotes, titles or cultural references to try.
Do you combine your phrase with some other element to throw it off?
I don¡¯t usually do anything else. My logic is this: The raw text of passwords is not stored, only a hashed version. The hashed passwords are usually something like 12 or 16 characters long and are unrecognizable. In order to recover a password from its hash you¡¯d have to know both the hashing method and guess the actual password in its entirety. There are lots of book titles and lines of poetry, so guessing a 20 character string is nearly impossible. How long do you suppose someone would have to work to come up with "And_the_silken_sad_uncertain_rustling_of_each_purple_curtain¡±?
That being said, I expect passwords to start going the way of the dodo. I¡¯ve long not used passwords for ssh remote access to Linux and Mac machines because ssh provides the capability of secure passwordless login. There are several other passwordless authentication methods bubbling up, such as SQRL.
L^2
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On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:
But aren¡¯t you concerned that they might be part of an already assembled list of literary biggies to try? Checking for length would get them a shorter list of?quotes, titles or cultural references to try.?
Do you combine your phrase with some other element to throw it off?
I don¡¯t usually do anything else. My logic is this: The raw text of passwords is not stored, only a hashed version. The hashed passwords are usually something like 12 or 16 characters long?and are unrecognizable. In order to recover a password from its hash you¡¯d have to know both the hashing method and guess the actual password in its entirety. There are lots of book?titles and lines of poetry, so guessing a 20 character string is nearly impossible. How long do you suppose someone would have to work to come up with?"And_the_silken_sad_uncertain_rustling_of_each_purple_curtain¡±?
That being said, I expect passwords to start going the way of the dodo. I¡¯ve long not used passwords for ssh remote access to Linux and Mac machines because ssh provides the capability of?. There are several other passwordless authentication methods bubbling up, such as?.
?Odd thing, ain't it¡ you meet people one at a time, they seem decent, they got brains that work, and then they get together and you hear the voice of the people. And it snarls.?¡ª ?Terry?Pratchett ?Jingo?
Haha, Lee! Two great lines! Literary masterpieces and cultural touchstones, both.
But aren¡¯t you concerned that they might be part of an already assembled list of literary biggies to try? Checking for length would get them a shorter list of quotes, titles or cultural references to try.
Do you combine your phrase with some other element to throw it off?
Jonathan
On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Lee Larson via Groups.Io <leelarson@...> wrote:
On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ed Wiser <ewiser@...> wrote:
What I hate is sites where that demand and make you keep with in a range of letters in numbers and Characters.
On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:
?Good article about the FBI¡¯s recommendations about passwords:
The method I¡¯ve been using for a long time is to use a line of poetry or the title of a book; e.g.,
TheMoonisaHarshMistress
or
Beware_the_frumious_bandersnatch!
L^2
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On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Beth Phillips <beth.phillips@...> wrote:
Out of curiosity, what is it exactly that Apple does to lock down the computer so you can¡¯t go back to an older OS? For example, if I bought an iMac in Sept. 2019 I would have received it with Mojave installed, however, if I purchased that same iMac in Oct., it would have shipped with Catalina. It¡¯s the same hardware, so what is Apple doing to lock them down and prohibit rolling back?
There are at least two things that may keep you from rolling back.
First, on newer computers there may be newer hardware for things like graphics and networking. Older operating systems may not have the drivers to talk to the newer components.
Second, many operating system upgrades also update the firmware on a computer. This firmware update may be incompatible with an older operating system.?
Thanks Jonathan! I think I will have a hard time convincing management to outfit our entire shop with refurbished computers. It may also be difficult to find enough of the same model/specs to do so. I have bought refurb Apple products before with no problems for personal use though.
Out of curiosity, what is it exactly that Apple does to lock down the computer so you can¡¯t go back to an older OS? For example, if I bought an iMac in Sept. 2019 I would have received it with Mojave installed, however, if I purchased that same iMac in Oct., it would have shipped with Catalina. It¡¯s the same hardware, so what is Apple doing to lock them down and prohibit rolling back?
Jane, It¡¯s my understanding that if you upgrade an older Mac to a newer OS, you could still roll back to the older OS if you need to. However, you can¡¯t roll back if you purchased a Mac with Catalina pre-installed. (I¡¯m assuming this is still true even if you upgrade to Catalina.) I know I have upgraded computers to a newer OS in the past and then rolled them back to an older version with no trouble. For instance, when we bought new computers several years ago we had upgraded our old computers several times, but since we were getting rid of them, I wiped the hard drives and went back and installed the original OS that came with them. So maybe rolling back is still a possibility for you?
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I looked into one of the refurbs on the site. I am assumeing that they will ship with the OS that they had when they were new, the listing does not say what OS it is currently running?
On February 17, 2020 at 12:56 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:
That is correct. Most Macs that I know of are locked to at least the OS they come with.
Easy solution: buy a Mac that is a version or two back off of Apple¡¯s refurbs list. They are just like brand new as far as appearance and warranty. I frequently buy off this list and have never been disappointed. You also get to save a bit of money.
Jonathan
On Feb 17, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Beth Phillips <beth.phillips@...> wrote:
So according to some info I found on the web it says you cannot downgrade a new Mac that ships with OS Catalina to an earlier version of OS. Has anyone tried this? I¡¯m specifically looking at the 21 and 27-inch iMacs.
My company is wanting to upgrade computers, but one piece of software we currently use is not 64-bit compatible, so it can¡¯t run under Catalina and the developer can offer no release date for a compatible version. The latest version of the software will run on Mojave and I had hoped to wipe the new computers and install Mojave instead of the pre-installed Catalina. We try to perform system updates during our slow times and we don¡¯t want to put that off for too much longer. I found where Mojave is still available in the App Store for those who cannot yet update to Catalina, but wasn¡¯t clear on why it couldn¡¯t be installed on a computer pre-installed with Catalina. I was under the impression the current iMac models hadn¡¯t changed in the last few years and if they could run Mojave before why they couldn¡¯t now, even if they shipped with Catalina.
Funny, I was just looking into this today, because I upgraded to Catalina, before I realized my Dreamweaver 5.5 wouldn't run on it. Right now, I'm under the gun to produce a Website for my little enterprise, and I don't have time to learn a whole new form of Dreamweaver CC. So, from what I could learn today doing research is you can install a earlier form of Mac OS on an emulator and then run earlier software. That's as far as I've gotten with it, so if you work out how to do it and decide on which emulator to use, I'd appreciate your letting me know. Right now, I'm hooked up to my newer IMac computer with my older MacBook Air which is running High Sierra and my Dreamweaver 5.5 software. It's not an ideal situation, but for now, it works okay.
So according to some info I found on the web it says you cannot downgrade a new Mac that ships with OS Catalina to an earlier version of OS. Has anyone tried this? I¡¯m specifically looking at the 21 and 27-inch iMacs.
My company is wanting to upgrade computers, but one piece of software we currently use is not 64-bit compatible, so it can¡¯t run under Catalina and the developer can offer no release date for a compatible version. The latest version of the software will run on Mojave and I had hoped to wipe the new computers and install Mojave instead of the pre-installed Catalina. We try to perform system updates during our slow times and we don¡¯t want to put that off for too much longer. I found where Mojave is still available in the App Store for those who cannot yet update to Catalina, but wasn¡¯t clear on why it couldn¡¯t be installed on a computer pre-installed with Catalina. I was under the impression the current iMac models hadn¡¯t changed in the last few years and if they could run Mojave before why they couldn¡¯t now, even if they shipped with Catalina.
Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
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That is correct. Most Macs that I know of are locked to at least the OS they come with.
Easy solution: buy a Mac that is a version or two back off of Apple¡¯s refurbs list. They are just like brand new as far as appearance and warranty. I frequently buy off this list and have never been disappointed. You also get to save a bit of money.
Jonathan
On Feb 17, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Beth Phillips <beth.phillips@...> wrote:
So according to some info I found on the web it says you cannot downgrade a new Mac that ships with OS Catalina to an earlier version of OS. Has anyone tried this? I¡¯m specifically looking at the 21 and 27-inch iMacs.
My company is wanting to upgrade computers, but one piece of software we currently use is not 64-bit compatible, so it can¡¯t run under Catalina and the developer can offer no release date for a compatible version. The latest version of the software will run on Mojave and I had hoped to wipe the new computers and install Mojave instead of the pre-installed Catalina. We try to perform system updates during our slow times and we don¡¯t want to put that off for too much longer. I found where Mojave is still available in the App Store for those who cannot yet update to Catalina, but wasn¡¯t clear on why it couldn¡¯t be installed on a computer pre-installed with Catalina. I was under the impression the current iMac models hadn¡¯t changed in the last few years and if they could run Mojave before why they couldn¡¯t now, even if they shipped with Catalina.
Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
Beth Phillips IT Associate PHONE | 800-626-6409 x8385 DIRECT | 502-222-8385 EMAIL | beth.phillips@...<mailto:beth.phillips@...> WEBSITE | www.FastlineMediaGroup.com<> ADDRESS | PO Box 248 Buckner, KY 40010
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So according to some info I found on the web it says you cannot downgrade a new Mac that ships with OS Catalina to an earlier version of OS. Has anyone tried this? I¡¯m specifically looking at the 21 and 27-inch iMacs.
My company is wanting to upgrade computers, but one piece of software we currently use is not 64-bit compatible, so it can¡¯t run under Catalina and the developer can offer no release date for a compatible version. The latest version of the software will run on Mojave and I had hoped to wipe the new computers and install Mojave instead of the pre-installed Catalina. We try to perform system updates during our slow times and we don¡¯t want to put that off for too much longer. I found where Mojave is still available in the App Store for those who cannot yet update to Catalina, but wasn¡¯t clear on why it couldn¡¯t be installed on a computer pre-installed with Catalina. I was under the impression the current iMac models hadn¡¯t changed in the last few years and if they could run Mojave before why they couldn¡¯t now, even if they shipped with Catalina.
Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
Beth Phillips IT Associate PHONE | 800-626-6409 x8385 DIRECT | 502-222-8385 EMAIL | beth.phillips@...<mailto:beth.phillips@...> WEBSITE | www.FastlineMediaGroup.com<> ADDRESS | PO Box 248 Buckner, KY 40010
Thought some of you might find you had more of a Nest Egg than you thought. ?I have two of the original iPod Classics but they aren¡¯t one of the?¡°Special Ones"
John
Check the attic! These 8 old tech items could be worth a lot of money
True collectors are fascinating people; they¡¯re smart and persistent. As time goes on, everyday objects fall out of fashion and then, years later, clever collectors swoop in. Example: A one-cent postage stamp from British Guiana worth about $10 million.
Scouring the auction sites is a good way to find valuables and evaluate treasures. eBay is the big dog, but be smart.
When you¡¯re ready to look beyond eBay, I have you covered with links to government, law enforcement and Department of Treasury auctions.?
Pore through your home, and you may be grateful you never unloaded certain game consoles. That old computer may have stored only 100 kilobytes of data, but it may fetch an astonishing price. For vintage technologies from a bygone age, they sure are hot commodities. See how much the best-sellers are going for.
1. Factory-sealed gaming cartridges
Because they were mass-produced back in the 1980s, most people didn¡¯t know Nintendo cartridges would be worth much in the future. Recently, a collector sold a copy of the original Nintendo Mega Man video game for $75,000. A rare Super Mario Bros. game was also purchased for more than $100,000.
If you have a Nintendo game sitting in your attic that¡¯s never been opened or another gaming console, you may be in luck.
2. Atari games
The Atari 2600 videogame system launched in 1977 and was a huge hit. It sold millions of units over the years, and you probably had one if you were growing up at the time.
The game console isn¡¯t a rare item that fetches tons of money ¨C unless of course, it¡¯s still factory-sealed. And certain copies of games can bring in thousands of dollars.
Keep looking:?
Make your own Android emoji:
More money ideas:
?is Red Sea Crossing, and it was recently valued at more than $10,000. Most people didn¡¯t even know it existed until it turned up at a garage sale in 2007.
Check more than garage sales and Craigslist for collectibles.?
3. PlayStation 2
The Snow White PlayStation 2 looked a lot like the standard white classic edition, but this version has a glossy, pure white finish. There were fewer than 700 consoles made to be sold in each region.
If you¡¯re lucky enough to have one on hand, now might be the time to sell. They¡¯re going for around $1,000 on popular auction sites.
4. Apple Mac
Apple released the first Macintosh computer back in 1984. It happened to be the first commercially successful personal computer to feature a mouse and a graphical user interface.
If you have one that still works, you may be able to sell it for $2,000.
5. Apple iPhone
Most people froth over the latest iPhone, but collectors are already pursuing older models: a used 4GB iPhone with the original box recently sold on eBay for more than $1,000. Even better, an unopened 8GB iPhone 2G with a 2007 launch day bag sold for over $4,500.
Do you stockpile Apple products??
6. iPod Classic
Apple introduced the first-generation iPod back in 2001 and it changed the way we listen to music. Who could forget that slick click wheel making it easy to navigate?
You can find iPod classics for sale online for a few hundred bucks these days. But those are just the regular, used versions. If you happen to have a special edition model in your collection, it could be worth thousands. For example, a U2 edition 30GB iPod sold for nearly $90,000 not long ago.
7. Commodore 64
Commodore Business Machines debuted its Commodore 64 back in 1982. It ended up being the best-selling computer in the company¡¯s history. Today, one in mint condition could sell for nearly $1,200.
What's old is new again:
Use eBay??
8. Vinyl records
While not exactly tech, vinyl has made a big comeback and people have started collecting records all over again. A few rare vinyl records are selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
One example is the only known pressing of ¡°My Happiness¡± from Elvis Presley. Jack White bought it a few years ago at auction for $300,000. Even though you don¡¯t have that rare Elvis record, you might have others that are still worth good money.
Buddy Holly¡¯s ¡°That¡¯ll Be the Day¡± original pressing was released in 1958 by Decca Records. If you have a copy in mint condition, it could be worth around $1,500. Used copies that have slight imperfections are selling on eBay for $35 to $200.
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Yeah, I use and love Zelle a lot myself. Its only downside is that it doesn¡¯t work everywhere and with everybody.
Banking laws suck. How am I going to launder all my drug money if the gov¡¯t and the banks keep getting in the way?
[Dear NSA: that was a joke.]
Jonathan
On Feb 14, 2020, at 9:48 PM, Jeff @ SLYN Systems <slynsystems1985@...> wrote:
If I can throw in my 2 cents briefly...my fave is Zelle. It is (or isn't) offered by your bank. Immediate transfer and never a charge of any kind. Only disadvantage I can think of is that it isn't supposed to work with an account that is considered to be a "business". Only personal accounts. Happy rest of V. Day y'all.
Jeff Slyn
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---------- Original Message ---------- From: "John Robinson via Groups.Io" <profilecovenant@...> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [macgroup] Venom - first real question to the new listserve Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 16:12:40 -0500
> On Feb 13, 2020, at 4:11 PM, John Robinson <profilecovenant@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > I do the same with ApplePay, only drawback is both parties have to have an iPhone? ??I¡¯m not sure but I¡¯m guessing? ?I¡¯ve never paid or shared an expense with someone with an Android. > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:19 PM, William Micou via Groups.Io <derbywiz@...> wrote: >> >> Harry- >> I use Venmo with people I know, such as family members (¡®hey Dad, send me some money¡¯), and friends on tennis team (¡®I¡¯ll pick up the lunch tab, you can Venmo me your share¡¯). It has settings to allow the transaction to be public - in the sense that any one you deal with can see your transactions and vice versa. My settings are always set as private, but the younger crowd likes it the other way. I¡¯ve heard a few stories of customer service not helping but to me it¡¯s a convenient service. >> Bill >> >> Sent from my micro sub meson electronic component >> >>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks John. >>> >>> >>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 1:32 PM, John Robinson via Groups.Io <profilecovenant@...> wrote: >>>> Harry, lots of folks use it, a search brought up the following. >>>> John >>>> Venmo has been repeatedly criticized for security breaches of user accounts and painfully slow customer service. ... After gaining access to a user's account, hackers can easily change passwords, linked email addresses and bank accounts unbeknownst to the legitimate user. >>>>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote: >>>>> Will someone explain Venmo to me? I know it¡¯s a part of PayPal. >>>>> Why, if I have a PayPal account do I want or need a Venmo Account? >>>>> Is it secure? >>>>> Will it be useful. >>>>> My eBay maven wonderful wife uses PayPal to receive payment for items she has sold and to pay for items she buys. Will Venmo be useful on eBay? >>>>> As always your expertise and help will be greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Harry Jacobson-Beyer >>>>> hejb44@... >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>
First test post. But I do have some questions since upgrading to Catalina. I will ask them once this is posted. Thanks for setting this up, I have been reading and sometimes posting since the early 90's. I have found it to be very helpful.
On Feb 15, 2020, at 8:07 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote:
?Hi Lee, I cleared cookies on my browser and changed the city where I connect (twice) and still can¡¯t connect to ticketmaster.
Thanks for your help.
Harry
On Feb 13, 2020, at 8:14 PM, Lee Larson via Groups.Io <leelarson@...> wrote:
On Feb 13, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote:
I just tried to logon to a ticketmaster concert site and received this message:
<Screen Shot 2020-02-13 at 1.30.24 PM.png> I turned PIA off and had no problems accessing the site.
I am going to keep track of all the web sites that block PIA
Every VPN provider only has a finite number of exit IPs. Since many people doing scams use VPNs to hide their real identities, some sites have started blocking some of those IP numbers to protect themselves. I can usually get around this by connecting to another PIA node with a different exit IP and then trying to connect again. (It also wouldn¡¯t hurt to purge your cookies.)
L^2
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?The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis, preserved their neutrality. ¡ª ?Dante Alighieri ?The Divine Comedy?
