Re: Downgrading a new computer

Jonathan,

I looked into one of the refurbs on the site. I am assumeing that they will ship with the OS that they had when they were new, the listing does not say what OS it is currently running?

Thanks

Mike

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On February 17, 2020 at 12:56 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:

That is correct. Most Macs that I know of are locked to at least the OS they come with.

Easy solution: buy a Mac that is a version or two back off of Apple’s refurbs list. They are just like brand new as far as appearance and warranty. I frequently buy off this list and have never been disappointed. You also get to save a bit of money.

Jonathan

On Feb 17, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Beth Phillips <beth.phillips@...> wrote:

So according to some info I found on the web it says you cannot downgrade a new Mac that ships with OS Catalina to an earlier version of OS. Has anyone tried this? I’m specifically looking at the 21 and 27-inch iMacs.

My company is wanting to upgrade computers, but one piece of software we currently use is not 64-bit compatible, so it can’t run under Catalina and the developer can offer no release date for a compatible version. The latest version of the software will run on Mojave and I had hoped to wipe the new computers and install Mojave instead of the pre-installed Catalina. We try to perform system updates during our slow times and we don’t want to put that off for too much longer. I found where Mojave is still available in the App Store for those who cannot yet update to Catalina, but wasn’t clear on why it couldn’t be installed on a computer pre-installed with Catalina. I was under the impression the current iMac models hadn’t changed in the last few years and if they could run Mojave before why they couldn’t now, even if they shipped with Catalina.

Any input is appreciated.
Thanks!

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Re: Downgrading a new computer

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Thanks Jonathan! I think I will have a hard time convincing management to outfit our entire shop with refurbished computers. It may also be difficult to find enough of the same model/specs to do so. I have bought refurb Apple products before with no problems for personal use though.

Out of curiosity, what is it exactly that Apple does to lock down the computer so you can’t go back to an older OS? For example, if I bought an iMac in Sept. 2019 I would have received it with Mojave installed, however, if I purchased that same iMac in Oct., it would have shipped with Catalina. It’s the same hardware, so what is Apple doing to lock them down and prohibit rolling back?

Jane, It’s my understanding that if you upgrade an older Mac to a newer OS, you could still roll back to the older OS if you need to. However, you can’t roll back if you purchased a Mac with Catalina pre-installed. (I’m assuming this is still true even if you upgrade to Catalina.) I know I have upgraded computers to a newer OS in the past and then rolled them back to an older version with no trouble. For instance, when we bought new computers several years ago we had upgraded our old computers several times, but since we were getting rid of them, I wiped the hard drives and went back and installed the original OS that came with them. So maybe rolling back is still a possibility for you?



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Re: Downgrading a new computer

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On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Beth Phillips <beth.phillips@...> wrote:

Out of curiosity, what is it exactly that Apple does to lock down the computer so you can’t go back to an older OS? For example, if I bought an iMac in Sept. 2019 I would have received it with Mojave installed, however, if I purchased that same iMac in Oct., it would have shipped with Catalina. It’s the same hardware, so what is Apple doing to lock them down and prohibit rolling back?

There are at least two things that may keep you from rolling back.

First, on newer computers there may be newer hardware for things like graphics and networking. Older operating systems may not have the drivers to talk to the newer components.

Second, many operating system upgrades also update the firmware on a computer. This firmware update may be incompatible with an older operating system.?

L^2

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Never open this kind of email. A pdf can be dangerous. ?

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Passwords: Longer is better than complicated

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Good article about the FBI’s recommendations about passwords:

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Re: Passwords: Longer is better than complicated

Ed Wiser

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What I hate is sites where that demand and make you keep with in a range of letters in numbers and Characters.

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On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:

?Good article about the FBI’s recommendations about passwords:

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Re: Passwords: Longer is better than complicated

#68

Yeah. You’d like to tell them that the 20th century called and they’d like their passwords back!

::-)

Jonathan

On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ed Wiser <ewiser@...> wrote:

What I hate is sites where that demand and make you keep with in a range of letters in numbers and Characters. 
On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:

?Good article about the FBI’s recommendations about passwords:

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Re: Passwords: Longer is better than complicated

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On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ed Wiser <ewiser@...> wrote:

What I hate is sites where that demand and make you keep with in a range of letters in numbers and Characters.
On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:

?Good article about the FBI’s recommendations about passwords:

The method I’ve been using for a long time is to use a line of poetry or the title of a book; e.g.,

TheMoonisaHarshMistress

or

Beware_the_frumious_bandersnatch!

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Re: Passwords: Longer is better than complicated

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Haha, Lee! Two great lines! Literary masterpieces and cultural touchstones, both. 

But aren’t you concerned that they might be part of an already assembled list of literary biggies to try? Checking for length would get them a shorter list of quotes, titles or cultural references to try. 

Do you combine your phrase with some other element to throw it off? 

Jonathan

On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Lee Larson via Groups.Io <leelarson@...> wrote:

On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ed Wiser <ewiser@...> wrote:

What I hate is sites where that demand and make you keep with in a range of letters in numbers and Characters. 
On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:

?Good article about the FBI’s recommendations about passwords:

The method I’ve been using for a long time is to use a line of poetry or the title of a book; e.g.,

TheMoonisaHarshMistress

or

Beware_the_frumious_bandersnatch!

L^2

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Re: Passwords: Longer is better than complicated

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On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:

But aren’t you concerned that they might be part of an already assembled list of literary biggies to try? Checking for length would get them a shorter list of?quotes, titles or cultural references to try.?

Do you combine your phrase with some other element to throw it off?

I don’t usually do anything else. My logic is this: The raw text of passwords is not stored, only a hashed version. The hashed passwords are usually something like 12 or 16 characters long?and are unrecognizable. In order to recover a password from its hash you’d have to know both the hashing method and guess the actual password in its entirety. There are lots of book?titles and lines of poetry, so guessing a 20 character string is nearly impossible. How long do you suppose someone would have to work to come up with?"And_the_silken_sad_uncertain_rustling_of_each_purple_curtain”?

That being said, I expect passwords to start going the way of the dodo. I’ve long not used passwords for ssh remote access to Linux and Mac machines because ssh provides the capability of?. There are several other passwordless authentication methods bubbling up, such as?.

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Re: Passwords: Longer is better than complicated

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Always an education. Thanks, Lee!

Jonathan

On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Lee Larson via Groups.Io <leelarson@...> wrote:

On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <lists@...> wrote:

But aren’t you concerned that they might be part of an already assembled list of literary biggies to try? Checking for length would get them a shorter list of quotes, titles or cultural references to try. 

Do you combine your phrase with some other element to throw it off?I don’t usually do anything else. My logic is this: The raw text of passwords is not stored, only a hashed version. The hashed passwords are usually something like 12 or 16 characters long and are unrecognizable. In order to recover a password from its hash you’d have to know both the hashing method and guess the actual password in its entirety. There are lots of book titles and lines of poetry, so guessing a 20 character string is nearly impossible. How long do you suppose someone would have to work to come up with "And_the_silken_sad_uncertain_rustling_of_each_purple_curtain”?

That being said, I expect passwords to start going the way of the dodo. I’ve long not used passwords for ssh remote access to Linux and Mac machines because ssh provides the capability of secure passwordless login. There are several other passwordless authentication methods bubbling up, such as SQRL.

L^2

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iPhone Tops List

#73

A lot of great stories on this site, but this one caught my eye…

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Dropbox vs. iCloud

#74

DropBox is upgrading my plan (not my choice) and giving me 200tb of space and charging me $130 a year (up from $100 a year). that is my only option.

I only have about 105gb of data on dropbox and less than 50gb of data on iCloud so I am going to up my iCloud storage to 200GB for $3.00 a month and move my data from Dropbox to iCloud.

Does anyone know of any reason why I shouldn’t do this?

Thanks.

Harry

Re: Dropbox vs. iCloud

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Harry,

I’ve used iCloud as my primary web backup for years, it’s always worked perfectly.  I use just enough on on Dropbox for important data files that it’s free.

John

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On Mar 3, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote:

?DropBox is upgrading my plan (not my choice) and giving me 200tb of space and charging me $130 a year (up from $100 a year). that is my only option.

I only have about 105gb of data on dropbox and less than 50gb of data on iCloud so I am going to up my iCloud storage to 200GB for $3.00 a month and move my data from Dropbox to iCloud.

Does anyone know of any reason why I shouldn’t do this?

Thanks.

Harry

Re: Dropbox vs. iCloud

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On 3Mar 2020, at 7:47 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote:

I only have about 105gb of data on dropbox and less than 50gb of data on iCloud so I am going to up my iCloud storage to 200GB for $3.00 a month and move my data from Dropbox to iCloud.

Does anyone know of any reason why I shouldn’t do this?

I use both. They both seem solid, but DropBox appears to update more quickly when you change a file.

L^2

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Wunderlist

#77

For the last 6 years I have used a great application - Wanderlust. 

It is a todo list that syncs on my two macs and my iPhone and my iPad. Today I received a message from the Wunderlist team. They are ceasing support for Wanderlust and have created a new product called Microsoft ToDo.

I use Wunderlist daily and hate to lose it and I am not sure I want to migrate to a product with Microsoft in its name.

Do any of you use a todo list on your computer - one that syncs across platforms?

What do you recommend?

Thanks.

Harry

Re: Dropbox vs. iCloud

#78

Lee,
Do you pay for the dropbox 2TB or do you just use their free 2gb option?

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On Mar 3, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Lee Larson via Groups.Io <leelarson@...> wrote:

On 3Mar 2020, at 7:47 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote:

I only have about 105gb of data on dropbox and less than 50gb of data on iCloud so I am going to up my iCloud storage to 200GB for $3.00 a month and move my data from Dropbox to iCloud.

Does anyone know of any reason why I shouldn’t do this?I use both. They both seem solid, but DropBox appears to update more quickly when you change a file.

L^2

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Re: Wunderlist

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Harry, I’ve never used Wanderlust, I’m clueless about it’s features.

To organize my mess I use all Apple products, (I imagine that surprises you).

All of them sync between every devise, updates are provided by Apple and not a third party to add features and plug holes are completed on the entire stable of products all at once.

Calendar, Notes, and Reminders are all I need to keep myself upright. ?On the last screenshot you can see that Reminders allows you to attach items to the reminder.

You are right, this Wanderlust is now in the stable of Microsoft, and like you I would now not have anything to do with it.

John

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On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote:

For the last 6 years I have used a great application - Wanderlust.

It is a todo list that syncs on my two macs and my iPhone and my iPad. Today I received a message from the Wunderlist team. They are ceasing support for Wanderlust and have created a new product called Microsoft ToDo.

I use Wunderlist daily and hate to lose it and I am not sure I want to migrate to a product with Microsoft in its name.

Do any of you use a todo list on your computer - one that syncs across platforms?

What do you recommend?

Thanks.

Harry

Re: Wunderlist

#80

Thanks John, I’ll check out reminders.

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On Mar 4, 2020, at 8:19 PM, John Robinson via Groups.Io <profilecovenant@...> wrote:

Harry, I’ve never used Wanderlust, I’m clueless about it’s features.

To organize my mess I use all Apple products, (I imagine that surprises you).

All of them sync between every devise, updates are provided by Apple and not a third party to add features and plug holes are completed on the entire stable of products all at once.

Calendar, Notes, and Reminders are all I need to keep myself upright.  On the last screenshot you can see that Reminders allows you to attach items to the reminder.

You are right, this Wanderlust is now in the stable of Microsoft, and like you I would now not have anything to do with it.

John

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On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote:

For the last 6 years I have used a great application - Wanderlust. 

It is a todo list that syncs on my two macs and my iPhone and my iPad. Today I received a message from the Wunderlist team. They are ceasing support for Wanderlust and have created a new product called Microsoft ToDo.

I use Wunderlist daily and hate to lose it and I am not sure I want to migrate to a product with Microsoft in its name.

Do any of you use a todo list on your computer - one that syncs across platforms?

What do you recommend?

Thanks.

Harry

Re: Dropbox vs. iCloud

#81

Did you mean 200 terabytes (tb)? Or gigabytes?

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On Mar 3, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <hejb44@...> wrote:

DropBox is upgrading my plan (not my choice) and giving me 200tb of space and charging me $130 a year (up from $100 a year). that is my only option.

I only have about 105gb of data on dropbox and less than 50gb of data on iCloud so I am going to up my iCloud storage to 200GB for $3.00 a month and move my data from Dropbox to iCloud.

Does anyone know of any reason why I shouldn’t do this?

Thanks.

Harry