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Bug report/request - failure of various RsID/Lk operations fldigi V3 to V4


 

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Wonder if you would review this again Dave. Same behaviour in 4.2.06.19 (yeah I am slow...)

What I didn't make clear in my OP was with "Retain tx freq lock" enabled, the operational expectation is that the RX freq would shift to meet the RSID centre, but leave the TX frequency where it is. If "Retain tx freq lock" is disabled I expect the TX and RX to shift together. (which is what it does)

Note there us differing action too if the modem changes vs not. Please try a few RSID's of the same modem, then try changing the modem.

Cheers Bob


On 19/8/24 20:22, w1hkj wrote:

Bob,

This is on 4.2.05.25



The transmit stays locked at 7071.0 and the Rx is at 7071.3.

Dave

On 8/14/24 21:54, Bob Gypay wrote:

Crossposted? to both fldigi-devel and linuxham

Tested on v4.2.04.11 and 4.2.04.24 against 3.23.21 (By John VK2ETA)

Using PSK250RC7, PSK500RC3, PSK125RC10 and PSK63RCx (ie not all modems checked)

With "Retain tx freq lock" enabled in RsID configuration plus Lk set, V4 no longer enables Lk operation nor splits the wfall TX/RX for the PSK125RC &? PSK63RC modems. The PSK250RC and PSK500RC modems act in the same way as 8PSKx and OFDMx modems, shifting TX/RX together, ignoring the RsID config setting and also not responding to Lk.

It might also be a good idea to force Lk operation when setting this RsID config parameter and update the tooltip to explain what is happening.

As it currently stands a mode such as PSK63RC5 is quite troublesome to RsID tune as disabling TX lock can cause TX/RX "walking" if any RIT is in play.

And since it is in the same "auto" tuning area it might be a good idea to modify the AFC button tooltip to grey out on unsupported modes. ie only single carrier PSK.

Cheers Bob VK2YQA



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Bob,

I am investigating.

David

On 1/10/25 01:23, Bob Cameron, VK2YQA via groups.io wrote:

Wonder if you would review this again Dave. Same behaviour in 4.2.06.19 (yeah I am slow...)

What I didn't make clear in my OP was with "Retain tx freq lock" enabled, the operational expectation is that the RX freq would shift to meet the RSID centre, but leave the TX frequency where it is. If "Retain tx freq lock" is disabled I expect the TX and RX to shift together. (which is what it does)

Note there us differing action too if the modem changes vs not. Please try a few RSID's of the same modem, then try changing the modem.

Cheers Bob


On 19/8/24 20:22, w1hkj wrote:
Bob,

This is on 4.2.05.25



The transmit stays locked at 7071.0 and the Rx is at 7071.3.

Dave

On 8/14/24 21:54, Bob Gypay wrote:

Crossposted? to both fldigi-devel and linuxham

Tested on v4.2.04.11 and 4.2.04.24 against 3.23.21 (By John VK2ETA)

Using PSK250RC7, PSK500RC3, PSK125RC10 and PSK63RCx (ie not all modems checked)

With "Retain tx freq lock" enabled in RsID configuration plus Lk set, V4 no longer enables Lk operation nor splits the wfall TX/RX for the PSK125RC &? PSK63RC modems. The PSK250RC and PSK500RC modems act in the same way as 8PSKx and OFDMx modems, shifting TX/RX together, ignoring the RsID config setting and also not responding to Lk.

It might also be a good idea to force Lk operation when setting this RsID config parameter and update the tooltip to explain what is happening.

As it currently stands a mode such as PSK63RC5 is quite troublesome to RsID tune as disabling TX lock can cause TX/RX "walking" if any RIT is in play.

And since it is in the same "auto" tuning area it might be a good idea to modify the AFC button tooltip to grey out on unsupported modes. ie only single carrier PSK.

Cheers Bob VK2YQA



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Bob,

Please download, install, and test fldigi-4.2.06.20

posted at

commit 62c2e6ca9566f04035a9c9bb5258348be369c3a4
Author: dave-w1hkj <w1hkj@...>
Date:   Fri Jan 10 08:59:28 2025 -0600

    RSID squelch
    
      * correct RsID detection behavior

commit 33c741533ee618b10b405815abcbcccefbebc185
Author: dave-w1hkj <w1hkj@...>
Date:   Thu Jan 2 18:41:09 2025 -0600

    t
    
      * reverted interleave depth to 25 ( 1 sec )
      * reverted flush length to 20.


Those users testing THOR-25, please note that all testers should be on the same fldigi revision.

73, David
W1HKJ

On 1/10/25 01:23, Bob Cameron, VK2YQA via groups.io wrote:

Wonder if you would review this again Dave. Same behaviour in 4.2.06.19 (yeah I am slow...)

What I didn't make clear in my OP was with "Retain tx freq lock" enabled, the operational expectation is that the RX freq would shift to meet the RSID centre, but leave the TX frequency where it is. If "Retain tx freq lock" is disabled I expect the TX and RX to shift together. (which is what it does)

Note there us differing action too if the modem changes vs not. Please try a few RSID's of the same modem, then try changing the modem.

Cheers Bob


On 19/8/24 20:22, w1hkj wrote:
Bob,

This is on 4.2.05.25



The transmit stays locked at 7071.0 and the Rx is at 7071.3.

Dave

On 8/14/24 21:54, Bob Gypay wrote:

Crossposted? to both fldigi-devel and linuxham

Tested on v4.2.04.11 and 4.2.04.24 against 3.23.21 (By John VK2ETA)

Using PSK250RC7, PSK500RC3, PSK125RC10 and PSK63RCx (ie not all modems checked)

With "Retain tx freq lock" enabled in RsID configuration plus Lk set, V4 no longer enables Lk operation nor splits the wfall TX/RX for the PSK125RC &? PSK63RC modems. The PSK250RC and PSK500RC modems act in the same way as 8PSKx and OFDMx modems, shifting TX/RX together, ignoring the RsID config setting and also not responding to Lk.

It might also be a good idea to force Lk operation when setting this RsID config parameter and update the tooltip to explain what is happening.

As it currently stands a mode such as PSK63RC5 is quite troublesome to RsID tune as disabling TX lock can cause TX/RX "walking" if any RIT is in play.

And since it is in the same "auto" tuning area it might be a good idea to modify the AFC button tooltip to grey out on unsupported modes. ie only single carrier PSK.

Cheers Bob VK2YQA



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Hi David,?

tnx for looking into this. I have not run down every permutation yet, but looking good.

- I don't know if it is a good idea to clear the Lk mode on a modem change. The operators may just be continuing a QSO at a different data rate. Difficult of course to differentiate between just staying in the current bandpass vs doing a major QSY.
- When the Lk state is cleared by a modem change (as above), its LED/indicator stays on. Clicking on it twice brings back the Lk state.
- I notice the Lk state clears on RSID receipt when "Retain TX Freq Lock" is disabled (a good thing). It might of course confuse an operator that has Lk set for another reason and RSID use was infrequent. One of those "read the manual" situations..?
- Thinking now in terms of NBEMS use (which I know little about, so just thinking out aloud), I wonder if there is any point trying to get away from any "pre session netting requirement", by the setting of Lk and "Retain TX Freq Lock" operationally. Not of course an issue with an IFK mode, but (say) switching to a wide PSKR modem for a flamp transfer, then back to the the messaging modem might be worth a discussion. Also means that operators can arrive and leave with less setup/config time. Handy if the traffic has a higher urgency. Would of course need more RSID use.

Cheers Bob

On 12/1/25 02:28, Dave, W1HKJ wrote:

Bob,

Please download, install, and test fldigi-4.2.06.20

posted at

commit 62c2e6ca9566f04035a9c9bb5258348be369c3a4
Author: dave-w1hkj <w1hkj@...>
Date:   Fri Jan 10 08:59:28 2025 -0600

    RSID squelch
    
      * correct RsID detection behavior

commit 33c741533ee618b10b405815abcbcccefbebc185
Author: dave-w1hkj <w1hkj@...>
Date:   Thu Jan 2 18:41:09 2025 -0600

    t
    
      * reverted interleave depth to 25 ( 1 sec )
      * reverted flush length to 20.


Those users testing THOR-25, please note that all testers should be on the same fldigi revision.

73, David
W1HKJ
On 1/10/25 01:23, Bob Cameron, VK2YQA via groups.io wrote:

Wonder if you would review this again Dave. Same behaviour in 4.2.06.19 (yeah I am slow...)

What I didn't make clear in my OP was with "Retain tx freq lock" enabled, the operational expectation is that the RX freq would shift to meet the RSID centre, but leave the TX frequency where it is. If "Retain tx freq lock" is disabled I expect the TX and RX to shift together. (which is what it does)

Note there us differing action too if the modem changes vs not. Please try a few RSID's of the same modem, then try changing the modem.

Cheers Bob


On 19/8/24 20:22, w1hkj wrote:
Bob,

This is on 4.2.05.25



The transmit stays locked at 7071.0 and the Rx is at 7071.3.

Dave

On 8/14/24 21:54, Bob Gypay wrote:

Crossposted? to both fldigi-devel and linuxham

Tested on v4.2.04.11 and 4.2.04.24 against 3.23.21 (By John VK2ETA)

Using PSK250RC7, PSK500RC3, PSK125RC10 and PSK63RCx (ie not all modems checked)

With "Retain tx freq lock" enabled in RsID configuration plus Lk set, V4 no longer enables Lk operation nor splits the wfall TX/RX for the PSK125RC &? PSK63RC modems. The PSK250RC and PSK500RC modems act in the same way as 8PSKx and OFDMx modems, shifting TX/RX together, ignoring the RsID config setting and also not responding to Lk.

It might also be a good idea to force Lk operation when setting this RsID config parameter and update the tooltip to explain what is happening.

As it currently stands a mode such as PSK63RC5 is quite troublesome to RsID tune as disabling TX lock can cause TX/RX "walking" if any RIT is in play.

And since it is in the same "auto" tuning area it might be a good idea to modify the AFC button tooltip to grey out on unsupported modes. ie only single carrier PSK.

Cheers Bob VK2YQA



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