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line of track disappeared. The point was this only occurs with this
supplier. I have used many others in China and the UK and never had
this issue. Well they are just doing what your Gerbers call for, which sounds like a positive thing to me. What if you /wanted/ the outline on all layers, but found the manufacturer was removing it? I've never plotted the outline on all layers, because I don't want it on all layers. Regards, Robert. * Plain text email - safe, readable, inclusive. * -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
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I don't want to make a big thing of this - as I said it was easy to work around. However, the? board outline?is supposed to have zero thickness - it is just a bounding box not a physical thing. The reason for plotting it on all layers is it helps the manufacturer visualize the overall shape of the board no matter what layer they are looking at which is important for assessing manufacturability e.g track to edge clearances. But as I say it is not a big thing, it only occurs with Aisler and it is easy to work round.
The more serious issue was them not properly finishing the sides of the PCBs. For boards that do not have to plug in it is not an issue but most of my boards need to plug into Eurorack card guides and it is a serious PITA to have to do this manual operation on every one. As I said, only Aisler has this problem and even after discussion they were not prepared to do anything about it. Seems to me they were not what I would call "beautiful boards" which is what they claim to provide. I was really disappointed because I really wanted to move away from Chinese production and Aisler were by far the best value in Europe.
Cheers
Ian
On Fri, 13 Sept 2024 at 12:54, Robert via <birmingham_spider= [email protected]> wrote: ?> line of track disappeared. The point was this only occurs with this
?> supplier. I have used many others in China and the UK and never had
?> this issue.
Well they are just doing what your Gerbers call for, which sounds like a
positive thing to me.? ?What if you /wanted/ the outline on all layers,
but found the manufacturer was removing it?? ?I've never plotted the
outline on all layers, because I don't want it on all layers.
Regards,
Robert.
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A few years ago I was using PCB Pool for my hobby boards. They did a great job of finishing the edges of the boards. Basically a clean routed edge on all sides.
I then switched to OSH Park because I'm in the US and that helped avoid overseas credit card payments. OSH Park does a great job, but they do leave those little spikes on the edges of the boards, so I have to manually sand them off. Not a big deal for the quantities I do, but it would be nicer if they did the trimming at their shop.
Anyway, you might look at PCB Pool - they were great at trimming the edges.
BTW, OSH Park says not to put the board outline in every gerber - they only want it in its own file.
Steve
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On 9/13/24 11:00 AM, Ian Bell via groups.io wrote: I don't want to make a big thing of this - as I said it was easy to work around. However, the? board *outline*?is supposed to have zero thickness - it is just a bounding box not a physical thing. The reason for plotting it on all layers is it helps the manufacturer visualize the overall shape of the board no matter what layer they are looking at which is important for assessing manufacturability e.g track to edge clearances. But as I say it is not a big thing, it only occurs with Aisler and it is easy to work round.
The more serious issue was them not properly finishing the sides of the PCBs. For boards that do not have to plug in it is not an issue but most of my boards need to plug into Eurorack card guides and it is a serious PITA to have to do this manual operation on every one. As I said, only Aisler has this problem and even after discussion they were not prepared to do anything about it. Seems to me they were not what I would call "beautiful boards" which is what they claim to provide. I was really disappointed because I really wanted to move away from Chinese production and Aisler were by far the best value in Europe.
Cheers
Ian
On Fri, 13 Sept 2024 at 12:54, Robert via groups.io <> <birmingham_spider@... <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
?> line of track disappeared. The point was this only occurs with this
?> supplier. I have used many others in China and the UK and never had
?> this issue.
Well they are just doing what your Gerbers call for, which sounds like a
positive thing to me.? ?What if you /wanted/ the outline on all layers,
but found the manufacturer was removing it?? ?I've never plotted the
outline on all layers, because I don't want it on all layers.
Regards,
Robert.
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Can you please suggest a good PCB supplier for prototypes? 2 layer, through-hole, 3.5 by 2.5 inches? Speed rather more important than cost. I am in England.
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I used to use Beta LAYOUT () but, since my KiCAD has the "PCB-WAY" button I have used them as it is so easy. I have been happy with the services of both companies.
Even on small runs they land in the UK within eight days, often less.
?
I have also used their SM assembly service too and the boards were 100% correct. In fact, once I am past the prototype stage, I convert all of my PCBs to SM now and that pays for itself as I don't have to stock the parts or get the head magnifier out to solder them!
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I second that. U use them, fast and cheap and good
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I am trying to use the PCB-WAY button. When I
try to 'install' I get 'install pending' but nothing more
happens. Please advise.
On 2024-09-23 01:56, David Goadby
wrote:
I used to use Beta LAYOUT ()
but, since my KiCAD has the "PCB-WAY" button I have used them as
it is so easy. I have been happy with the services of both
companies.
Even on small runs they land in the UK within eight days, often
less.
?
I have also used their SM assembly service too and the boards
were 100% correct. In fact, once I am past the prototype stage,
I convert all of my PCBs to SM now and
that pays for itself as I don't have to stock the parts or get
the head magnifier out to solder them!
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I usually get swift responses to my questions,
but I didn't see a response to this one. Has the link to PCB-WAY
been discontinued?
On 2024-09-30 12:03, John Woodgate
wrote:
I am trying to use the PCB-WAY button. When
I try to 'install' I get 'install pending' but nothing more
happens. Please advise.
On 2024-09-23 01:56, David Goadby
wrote:
I used to use Beta LAYOUT ()
but, since my KiCAD has the "PCB-WAY" button I have used them
as it is so easy. I have been happy with the services of both
companies.
Even on small runs they land in the UK within eight days,
often less.
?
I have also used their SM assembly service too and the
boards were 100% correct. In fact, once I am past the
prototype stage, I convert all of my PCBs
to SM now and that pays for itself as I don't have to stock
the parts or get the head magnifier out to solder them!
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Sorry, but I do not understand what you?mean for "PC-WAY install".? Just visit the site at this link: and you'll find everything you need for producing a pcb. Regards
Il giorno mer 2 ott 2024 alle ore 12:23 John Woodgate < jmw@...> ha scritto:
I usually get swift responses to my questions,
but I didn't see a response to this one. Has the link to PCB-WAY
been discontinued?
On 2024-09-30 12:03, John Woodgate
wrote:
I am trying to use the PCB-WAY button. When
I try to 'install' I get 'install pending' but nothing more
happens. Please advise.
On 2024-09-23 01:56, David Goadby
wrote:
I used to use Beta LAYOUT ()
but, since my KiCAD has the "PCB-WAY" button I have used them
as it is so easy. I have been happy with the services of both
companies.
Even on small runs they land in the UK within eight days,
often less.
?
I have also used their SM assembly service too and the
boards were 100% correct. In fact, once I am past the
prototype stage, I convert all of my PCBs
to SM now and that pays for itself as I don't have to stock
the parts or get the head magnifier out to solder them!
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No. It still works.
Did you forget to press the [Apply Pending Changes] button?
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In KiCad 'Plug in and content manager', there
is a plug in link to PCB-WAY, but it seems not to work.
On 2024-10-02 11:41, Angelo Adamo - QSD
wrote:
Sorry, but I do not understand what you?mean for "PC-WAY
install".?
Just visit the site at this link:
and you'll find everything you need for producing a pcb.
Regards
Il giorno mer 2 ott 2024 alle
ore 12:23 John Woodgate < jmw@...>
ha scritto:
I usually get swift responses to my
questions, but I didn't see a response to this one. Has
the link to PCB-WAY been discontinued?
On 2024-09-30 12:03, John Woodgate wrote:
I am trying to use the PCB-WAY
button. When I try to 'install' I get 'install
pending' but nothing more happens. Please advise.
On 2024-09-23 01:56, David Goadby wrote:
I used to use Beta LAYOUT ()
but, since my KiCAD has the "PCB-WAY" button I have
used them as it is so easy. I have been happy with the
services of both companies.
Even on small runs they land in the UK within eight
days, often less.
?
I have also used their SM assembly service too and
the boards were 100% correct. In fact, once I am past
the prototype stage, I convert all of my PCBs to SM now and that
pays for itself as I don't have to stock the parts or
get the head magnifier out to solder them!
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Thanks, Tony. Who would guess to do that? I
will try again.
On 2024-10-02 11:43, Tony Casey wrote:
No. It still works.
Did you forget to press the [Apply Pending Changes] button?
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On 02/10/2024 12:21, John Woodgate
wrote:
I
usually get swift responses to my questions, but I didn't see a
response to this one. Has the link to PCB-WAY been discontinued?
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Well, I tried again, and it installed. Now
what? I have the Gerbers and drill file in a ZIP, but no
information about how to send it to PCB-New to get a quote.
On 2024-10-02 11:47, John Woodgate
wrote:
Thanks, Tony. Who would guess to do that? I
will try again.
On 2024-10-02 11:43, Tony Casey
wrote:
No. It still works.
Did you forget to press the [Apply Pending Changes] button?
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On 02/10/2024 12:21, John Woodgate
wrote:
I
usually get swift responses to my questions, but I didn't see
a response to this one. Has the link to PCB-WAY been
discontinued?
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When the add-in is installed, a new button appears in the toolbar in
pcbnew. When you press that button, it produces the Gerbers and
Excellon files, zips them up and uploads the zip to PCBWay and opens
your browser at the quote page.
You probably don't have to plot anything yourself.
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On 03/10/2024 11:57, John Woodgate
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Well, I tried again, and it installed. Now
what? I have the Gerbers and drill file in a ZIP, but no
information about how to send it to PCB-New to get a quote.
On 2024-10-02 11:47, John Woodgate
wrote:
Thanks, Tony. Who would guess to do that?
I will try again.
On 2024-10-02 11:43, Tony Casey
wrote:
No. It still works.
Did you forget to press the [Apply Pending Changes] button?
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Thanks, Tony. I actually discovered the way,
but I'm stuck on the PCB-way site at the Order Review page, and
I've contacted the sales person for help.
On 2024-10-03 11:31, Tony Casey wrote:
When the add-in is installed, a new button appears in the toolbar
in pcbnew. When you press that button, it produces the Gerbers and
Excellon files, zips them up and uploads the zip to PCBWay and
opens your browser at the quote page.
You probably don't have to plot anything yourself.
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Tony
On 03/10/2024 11:57, John Woodgate
wrote:
Well, I tried again, and it installed. Now
what? I have the Gerbers and drill file in a ZIP, but no
information about how to send it to PCB-New to get a quote.
On 2024-10-02 11:47, John Woodgate
wrote:
Thanks, Tony. Who would guess to do
that? I will try again.
On 2024-10-02 11:43, Tony Casey
wrote:
No. It still works.
Did you forget to press the [Apply Pending Changes] button?
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Be aware, most Chinese factories are closed down at the moment for
Chinese New Year public holidays.
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On 03/10/2024 12:41, John Woodgate
wrote:
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Thanks, Tony. I actually discovered the way,
but I'm stuck on the PCB-way site at the Order Review page,
and I've contacted the sales person for help.
On 2024-10-03 11:31, Tony Casey
wrote:
When the add-in is installed, a new button appears in the
toolbar in pcbnew. When you press that button, it produces the
Gerbers and Excellon files, zips them up and uploads the zip to
PCBWay and opens your browser at the quote page.
You probably don't have to plot anything yourself.
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Tony
On 03/10/2024 11:57, John Woodgate
wrote:
Well, I tried again, and it installed.
Now what? I have the Gerbers and drill file in a ZIP, but
no information about how to send it to PCB-New to get a
quote.
On 2024-10-02 11:47, John
Woodgate wrote:
Thanks, Tony. Who would guess to do
that? I will try again.
On 2024-10-02 11:43, Tony Casey
wrote:
No. It
still works.
Did you forget to press the [Apply Pending Changes]
button?
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You just create a zip file of the layers you want - check the naming convention that the PCB house needs - I assume that is what the plug-in does, but personally I just do this manually - Then you drop the zip file onto the PCB house upload page It will then automatically unzip the file and create a 3D view for you to check. For PCB way this is the next page after the get quote page where you select the PCB options. Maybe the plugin is supposed to do this for you as well, but as I said I never bother with plugins.. All the PCB houses work in much the same way. I've never used PCB Way they turned out to be a bit expensive when I first looked at them so I went with JLCPCB and stuck with them, their site works in almost exactly the same way. The whole process is almost too easy! Andy On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:57:18 +0100 "John Woodgate" <jmw@...> wrote: Well, I tried again, and it installed. Now what? I have the Gerbers and
drill file in a ZIP, but no information about how to send it to PCB-New
to get a quote.
On 2024-10-02 11:47, John Woodgate wrote:
Thanks, Tony. Who would guess to do that? I will try again.
On 2024-10-02 11:43, Tony Casey wrote:
No. It still works.
Did you forget to press the [Apply Pending Changes] button?
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Tony
On 02/10/2024 12:21, John Woodgate wrote:
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Thank you.
On 2024-10-03 12:02, Andy wrote:
You just create a zip file of the layers you want - check the naming
convention that the PCB house needs - I assume that is what the plug-in
does, but personally I just do this manually -
Then you drop the zip file onto the PCB house upload page
It will then automatically unzip the file and create a 3D view for you
to check.
For PCB way this is the next page after the get quote page where you
select the PCB options. Maybe the plugin is supposed to do this for you
as well, but as I said I never bother with plugins..
All the PCB houses work in much the same way. I've never used PCB Way
they turned out to be a bit expensive when I first looked at them so I
went with JLCPCB and stuck with them, their site works in almost exactly
the same way.
The whole process is almost too easy!
Andy
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:57:18 +0100
"John Woodgate" <jmw@...> wrote:
Well, I tried again, and it installed. Now what? I have the Gerbers and
drill file in a ZIP, but no information about how to send it to PCB-New
to get a quote.
On 2024-10-02 11:47, John Woodgate wrote:
Thanks, Tony. Who would guess to do that? I will try again.
On 2024-10-02 11:43, Tony Casey wrote:
No. It still works.
Did you forget to press the [Apply Pending Changes] button?
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Tony
On 02/10/2024 12:21, John Woodgate wrote:
I usually get swift responses to my questions, but I didn't see a
response to this one. Has the link to PCB-WAY been discontinued?
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