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Re: Limits tracks to 45¡ã
A pic says a thousand words. :-)
That's the interactive router getting in the way. There used to be a way to switch to free routing, but that looks like it's gone. The legacy toolset works, but remember to turn off limit to 45 / 90 etc in preference. Another way to get around this in the modern toolset , and it's an awkward kludge... On one of the pads create a sort stub of track, then end the track function. Place the curson on the end of the stub and from the right click menu select drag (free angle) Andy On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:49:28 +0100 "jpgendner" <jean-paul.gendner@...> wrote: Thank you so much for your answer Andy, |
Re: Limits tracks to 45¡ã
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:49:28 +0100
"jpgendner" <jean-paul.gendner@...> wrote: ??? I would like to connect the two "2" pads by an unbroken straightWhy? I would do it exactly as the picture shows. There would be an extremely short straight bit within the as yet unconnected pad, and I would prefer the track coming off the corner of the pad to prevent an angle of less than 90 degrees between the track and pad to stop etch solution inclusion in the angle. Any high reliability application will require that this situation be avoided. |
Re: Limits tracks to 45¡ã
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThank you so much for your answer Andy,??? I do not think that this may be the problem. ??? Here a picture from what happens : ??? I would like to connect the two "2" pads by an unbroken straight line ? ??? Regards, ??? Jean-Paul **** Jean-Paul Gendner Site : Le 2021-12-15 ¨¤ 18:36, Andy a ¨¦crit?:
Check your clearances very carefully. If two clearance zones "just" touch then a track will not route. Tracks at 0,45 and 90 tend to (but not always) have better chances of not infringing on clearances Andy On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:17:56 +0100 "jpgendner" <jean-paul.gendner@...> wrote:Hello, ??? I have unchecked "Limits Tracks to 45¡ã" but using "Route Tracks" I am not able to create a track in an other direction that 0, 45 or 90¡ã. ??? I am using Pcbnew version 5.1.8 under Win10. ??? Any help is welcome. ??? Regards, ??? Jean-Paul, F5BU **** Jean-Paul Gendner Site : f5bu.fr |
Re: Limits tracks to 45¡ã
Check your clearances very carefully. If two clearance zones "just"
touch then a track will not route. Tracks at 0,45 and 90 tend to (but not always) have better chances of not infringing on clearances Andy On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 18:17:56 +0100 "jpgendner" <jean-paul.gendner@...> wrote: Hello, |
Limits tracks to 45¡ã
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHello,??? I have unchecked "Limits Tracks to 45¡ã" but using "Route Tracks" I am not able to create a track in an other direction that 0, 45 or 90¡ã. ??? I am using Pcbnew version 5.1.8 under Win10. ??? Any help is welcome. ??? Regards, ??? Jean-Paul, F5BU **** Jean-Paul Gendner Site : |
Re: drl file warning
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI answer to myself : the error came from an oval hole instead of a round one!Hello, ??? I had several printed circuits made at JLCPCB, and I just had a warning "xxx-Edge_Cuts.gbr (Board Outline Layer): Gerber file with a board outline" which seems trivial to me and did not pose a problem. ??? Now, I work on another circuit and get a new warning "-PTH.drl (null): Unrecognized Gerber file" which pains me. ??? I am using Kicad version 5.1.8 in the same way as before (Excellon, Gerber). Rebuilding an older circuit do not generate this warning, so I attach the .drl file. ??? Any help is welcome. ??? Regards, ??? Jean-Paul, F5BU **** Jean-Paul Gendner Site : |
drl file warning
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHello,??? I had several printed circuits made at JLCPCB, and I just had a warning "xxx-Edge_Cuts.gbr (Board Outline Layer): Gerber file with a board outline" which seems trivial to me and did not pose a problem. ??? Now, I work on another circuit and get a new warning "-PTH.drl (null): Unrecognized Gerber file" which pains me. ??? I am using Kicad version 5.1.8 in the same way as before (Excellon, Gerber). Rebuilding an older circuit do not generate this warning, so I attach the .drl file. ??? Any help is welcome. ??? Regards, ??? Jean-Paul, F5BU **** Jean-Paul Gendner Site : |
Re: KiCAD newbie... what is involved for upgrade from 5.10 to 5.12 ?
Agreed. Have used the nightlies for ages. No problems, not going back.
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Re: KiCAD newbie... what is involved for upgrade from 5.10 to 5.12 ?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi, On 21/11/2021 10:27, Mike Willis wrote:
And a steep learning curve towards version 6.0 which is just about to be released. I'm curious: What exactly did you find difficult in the transition between 5.x and 6.0? Pretty much everything that works in 5.x still works in 6.0 in almost the same way. The only "problems" that I encountered were:
Everything else in my opinion is just more intuitive, much more flexible and easier to use. You don't have to use the new features if you don't want to, but I promise you will want to once you played with them... ;-) I have been using 6.0 (5.99) exclusively for several months now
and I don't look back. The nightly builds were surprisingly
stable.
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Re: KiCAD newbie... what is involved for upgrade from 5.10 to 5.12 ?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýNo need to uninstall 5.10 first, just run the new installer. Old files will be overwritten, but your project settings will not. After installation, I still have the right paths to my own custom libraries. I see no difference in 5.10 or 5.12 and I never observed any problem in 5.10. This will probably be my last update, waiting for 6.0 now.Op 20-11-2021 om 14:06 schreef bob:
Similar to similar upgrade query but not so drastic...??was running 5.10 from last february, and now have another project i need to work on. |
KiCAD newbie... what is involved for upgrade from 5.10 to 5.12 ?
Similar to similar upgrade query but not so drastic...??was running 5.10 from last february, and now have another project i need to work on.
BUT.. .i have never upgraded KiCAD before as I am a newbie to it.? what is involved, can i just run the installer over the top of the existing?? ?for this "point" release, will it do this safely?? i have been searching the web for release/upgrade instructions to no avail?? ?is there any dox on upgrading ???? please tell me i dont have to completely re-install or have side by side parallel installs like Eagle pushed me into...? |
Re: Problem editing schematic in an existing project ...
I ran into this problem years ago, and found that the whole schematic had become offset by a very small amount, in both the X and Y directions.? I set the grid to smaller, and smaller sizes, until I was able to lock onto the pins of parts, and wrote down the offsets from the standard 50mil grid.? I then selected the entire schematic, and moved it to correct the offset, correcting the error.
In another instance, somehow different parts became offset, and I did basically the same thing, except I had to measure the offset, and used the "DRAG" function to move each component to the correct to the 50mil grid, which kept the schematic whole. |
Re: Problem editing schematic in an existing project ...
On 17/11/2021 00:14, David Slipper wrote:
After a little play with this again I have found that setting the grid size so that it intercepts the pins helps a lot ;-) Little hint: all Symbols are laid out so that pins are aligned on a grid of 1.27mm (1/20th inch, 50mils), usually even 2.54mm (1/10th inch, 100mils) is sufficient. So you should set your grid to something related in eeschema. The default is 50mils. The 1/10th inch figure is for historical (hysterical?) reasons. A lot of components also use a related kind of spacing: 2.54mm, 1.27mm or 0.65mm pin spacing. Especially older components (most THT stuff has 2.54mm spacing). I didn't even think about that possibility because I never change the default grid in eeschema - if you don't have enough space you either want a bigger piece of paper or you want to split things into multiple sheets. But in my (extremely limited) experience there is usually not a really good reason to change the grid. In pcbnew grid selection gets more complicated, since modern components tend to be 50% imperial, 40% metric, and 10% just weird (0.45mm QFN anyone?). So you want a grid that is fine enough that you can get to any of the pads, even the ones at an unusual angle, and route through them occasionally. ??? Konrad |
Re: Problem editing schematic in an existing project ...
After a little play with this again I have found that setting the grid size so that it intercepts the pins helps a lot ;-)
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I think I understand a bit better now. Thanks all Dave On 16/11/2021 23:10, David Slipper wrote:
"... point exactly at the little circle at the outer end of the pin" |
Re: Problem editing schematic in an existing project ...
"... point exactly at the little circle at the outer end of the pin"
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I suspect that my problem is that I am not accurately hitting the right spot on the end if the pin (at my age your hands develop a mind of their own) - is it possible to increase the size of the target area at all ?? Other programs highlight the pin when you are in the correct position (though not a lot of help with shaky hands). Or even if the circle were to disappear when in the correct spot. I'm sure I didn't have this much trouble when I created these boards a month ago ! Dave On 16/11/2021 20:30, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote:
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Re: Problem editing schematic in an existing project ...
Hi,
On 16/11/2021 18:58, David Slipper wrote: Sorry re highlighting - getting confused with DipTrace ;-) Just a stab in the dark: I tried to prevent connecting wires, I found two ways. (On Debian/Linux with 5.1.9 though.) One: if the Ctrl and Shift keys are pressed while you are working the wires are unable to make connection. This happens to me sometimes if I have my keyboard stuffed away in a corner because I want all the space for the mouse - inevitably something accidentally presses some keys... Two: if I accidentally press the middle mouse button instead of the left one the program does not register this as a valid click. On some models there are so many buttons that it is easy to click the wrong one or two by accident. So: Check your keyboard is okay and you don't accidentally press Ctrl+Shift or some other keys. Do other programs misbehave too? If so your keyboard may need replacing because of faulty keys. Sometimes switching between a host system and a virtual machine makes the VM miss key-press or key-release events and the VM believes some key is still pressed: press all 6 Meta Keys (Ctrl, Shift, Alt) to give it an update on the keyboard state. Connecting to a system via remote desktop can also confuse the heck out of keyboard and mouse events - I regularly scream at my screen because remote systems have the wrong keyboard layout... Check you are really clicking the left button and your mouse is not making your life more difficult than it needs to be. Sometimes additional input devices can confuse the system. Like a graphics tablet with its pen lying idly on the surface or an over-sensitive laptop touch pad reacting to your typing on the keyboard. Or some multi-media gadget acting as if it was a crazy keyboard. Talking about multimedia: using the second monitor to watch videos with VLC (or other players) does not help either - they intermittently create a Shift- or Ctrl-Key-Event to prevent the screen from switching off. Sometimes screen grabbers and conference software can have weird effects too. There is an alternative to ending the wire with a left click: go to where it should end and press the RIGHT button, the context menu offers an "End Wire" option. Just to make sure: to lay a wire you select the wire (green line without a letter) from the tool bar on the right, then you single click the start position, pull without continuing to click, and single-click the end position. If you want the wire to end in the "air" without a pin you double click. Also: to connect a wire to a pin you have to point exactly at the little circle at the outer end of the pin, otherwise it does not connect. Enlarge the target symbol before pointing at it. You can use the mouse scroll wheel to change zoom level (as well as Shift-Wheel and Ctrl-Wheel to move about the sheet) while you are dragging a wire without losing the wire. If the little circle at the end of the pin does not disappear then you may have a wire, but no connection. If you are using a graphics tablet or laptop pad as mouse you have to remember to only tap the pen/pad to start a wire and then tap again for ending it. You don't "paint" the wire like a line in a graphics program. I hope that helps to narrow it down. ??? Konrad |
Re: Problem editing schematic in an existing project ...
Sorry re highlighting - getting confused with DipTrace ;-)
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Using 5.1.10, but upgrading to 5.1.12 made no difference. Yes editing in schematic editor (as per subject line). Dave On 16/11/2021 17:06, Konrad Rosenbaum wrote:
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Re: Problem editing schematic in an existing project ...
Hi,
On 16/11/2021 17:09, David Slipper wrote: I have several projects that I created under Kicad v5.1.10 under Win 7 Pro x64.what version of KiCad are you using to edit those files now? I need to go back and change some stuff and while I can add new components and change net labels it will not let me place new wires - it draws the wire but it doesn't highlight pins or let me link a wire to them.I don't know, my crystal ball is broken. Sorry. Are you trying to draw new wires in eeschema (the symbolic Schema editor) or in pcbnew (PCB layout tool)? If the former: that's very weird. I wasn't even aware it highlighted pins? If the latter: of course! You need to change the schema first and then update the PCB from it before you can add traces to the PCB! The PCB editor does not allow you to place traces willy-nilly that would create short circuits between nets that it is convinced must not meet. ??? Konrad |