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Re: Cannot install Kicad 2012-01-19 on Ubuntu 12.04
Andy Thanks for your answer, when i do a 'whereis' on kicad after installing the version in software center i get kicad: /usr/bin/kicad /usr/lib/kicad /usr/bin/X11/kicad /usr/share/kicad /usr/share/man/man1/kicad.1.gz So a whole bunch of directories but no /usr/local/kicad I tried before to overwrite all of those files manually and that's when i got the error saying something about libjpeg.so.62 Synaptics tells me libjpeg8 is installed so it should work, right? Thanks! Karl Fr?n: Andy Eskelson Till: kicad-users@... Skickat: m?ndag, 16 juli 2012 17:25 ?mne: Re: [kicad-users] Cannot install Kicad 2012-01-19 on Ubuntu 12.04
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Ubuntu has been known to make the odd mess-up from time to time, so
that might be a possibility. For an install, this is what I do: (on SUSE) ** You MUST be root ** Kicad lives in usr/local there is a kicad directory I rename that to kicad-old I then use a root file manager to open the kicad archive. Then I drag the kicad directory into /usr/local Enter the kicad directory and as you surmise it's the bin directory rather than linux and check the permissions there, do a chmod 755 * if necessary That's it all done. Switching between the two versions is then a simple matter of renaming the directories If you get problems after that then you may have to install some other list that ubuntu has left out, but see how things go first. It's also worth running from a shell so that you can see any error messages as well. (Just looking for a few more clues) Andy On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:31:13 -0000 "elektrodwarf" <elektrodwarf@...> wrote: > Tried multiple things; first off INSTALL.TXT refers to a non-existant "linux" directory which i assume to be the BIN directory. Nevertheless none of the files will execute after changing permissions; nautilus does nothing and the terminal simply says kicad isn't installed. > > Tried installing the version of kicad found in Ubuntu Software Center and then overwrite all those (old) files with the new ones in the .tgz but to no avail, kicad reports a problem with libjpeg.so.62 in that case. > > The whole reason i want the latest version is because the one found in the software center won't let me change track width even tho i've edited the design rules... > > Any help appreciated! > > Karl > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. > Please visit for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. > For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at ! Groups Links > > > |
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Re: How to copy a PCB
On 07/14/2012 09:20 PM, Mitch Davis wrote:
The idea is to make a patent required to employ the excess of lawyers in the USA. Some here will remember Don Lancaster ( used to have columns in many electronicss magazines ) who has written the definitive advise on this subject. see: Patent Avoidance Patent when? Patent why? Note my tag line... It isn't a joke. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Schmidt EMail Karl@... Transtronics, Inc. WEB 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 A patent provides one a license to enrich his lawyer. -kps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Re: Cannot install Kicad 2012-01-19 on Ubuntu 12.04
Andy Eskelson
Ubuntu has been known to make the odd mess-up from time to time, so
that might be a possibility. For an install, this is what I do: (on SUSE) ** You MUST be root ** Kicad lives in usr/local there is a kicad directory I rename that to kicad-old I then use a root file manager to open the kicad archive. Then I drag the kicad directory into /usr/local Enter the kicad directory and as you surmise it's the bin directory rather than linux and check the permissions there, do a chmod 755 * if necessary That's it all done. Switching between the two versions is then a simple matter of renaming the directories If you get problems after that then you may have to install some other list that ubuntu has left out, but see how things go first. It's also worth running from a shell so that you can see any error messages as well. (Just looking for a few more clues) Andy On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:31:13 -0000 "elektrodwarf" <elektrodwarf@...> wrote: Tried multiple things; first off INSTALL.TXT refers to a non-existant "linux" directory which i assume to be the BIN directory. Nevertheless none of the files will execute after changing permissions; nautilus does nothing and the terminal simply says kicad isn't installed. |
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Cannot install Kicad 2012-01-19 on Ubuntu 12.04
Tried multiple things; first off INSTALL.TXT refers to a non-existant "linux" directory which i assume to be the BIN directory. Nevertheless none of the files will execute after changing permissions; nautilus does nothing and the terminal simply says kicad isn't installed.
Tried installing the version of kicad found in Ubuntu Software Center and then overwrite all those (old) files with the new ones in the .tgz but to no avail, kicad reports a problem with libjpeg.so.62 in that case. The whole reason i want the latest version is because the one found in the software center won't let me change track width even tho i've edited the design rules... Any help appreciated! Karl |
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Re: PCB calculator and Library editor "lost"
I know you already fixed it, but in case it happens again, even easier is to select "move" from the pop-up menu, press & release one of the cursor keys, then just move the mouse - the window will spring to whereever the mouse pointer is. On Windows 7, you need to right-click the small preview window that appears when you hover the mouse over the icon in the taskbar to get to the pop-up menu.
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Re: PCB calculator and Library editor "lost"
Thanks, that worked!
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Re: Diodes in standard library - square pin??
shelmichaels
Yeah, I see what you both mean about shape not really mattering - thanks! I suspect numbering does matter, though - else how would pick-and-place machines know which end is which?? Oh, well, that's not exactly a problem in my future. 8^)
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Re: Diodes in standard library - square pin??
Yes Protel sometimes was Prohell because of it (weird library stuff). (LOL)
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PCAD isn't too much better but Protel did have some nice editing features in the schematic which KiCAD lacks. One of which was too use the enter key like a right mouse button click when you used the keyboard for positioning components as well as editing the library side of things. The windowed zoom was handy as well. That was for eeschema haven't spent much time with the PCB side of things in KiCAD as yet. Stephen ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Bennett <peterbb@...> To: kicad-users@... Cc: shelmichaels <yahooshel@...> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Diodes in standard library - square pin?? I don't care about the pad shape, but I do want a bar across the component body outline at the cathode end - matching the marking on the real component (although I do see that the diode footprint I used does have a square pad for the cathode). I used to use Protel at work, and I recall problems with the schematic diode pins "numbered" A and K, while the footprint pins were 1 and 2, until I changed them to A and K.? (Protel apparently didn't allow the schematic library designers to talk to the PCB library designers - they also had things like DIP-14 in the schematic library, and 14DIP in PCB...) On 7/14/2012 8:49 PM, shelmichaels wrote: Hi... -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI? ? Vancouver, B.C., Canada GPS and NMEA info: Vancouver Power Squadron: ------------------------------------ Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at ! Groups Links |
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Re: Diodes in standard library - square pin??
Peter Bennett
I don't care about the pad shape, but I do want a bar across the component body outline at the cathode end - matching the marking on the real component (although I do see that the diode footprint I used does have a square pad for the cathode).
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I used to use Protel at work, and I recall problems with the schematic diode pins "numbered" A and K, while the footprint pins were 1 and 2, until I changed them to A and K. (Protel apparently didn't allow the schematic library designers to talk to the PCB library designers - they also had things like DIP-14 in the schematic library, and 14DIP in PCB...) On 7/14/2012 8:49 PM, shelmichaels wrote:
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Re: Diodes in standard library - square pin??
Hi,
I always check pin1 and pin2, or pinA and pinB wth all components, and I change module or component numbering to fit what I need. This way I have made my own library. See that diode footprints are very different: through hole or smd, larger or smaller, with two or three pins... Don't worry about changing your footprints numbers since they are only a matching convention between eeschema component and pcbnew module. Regards, Pedro. Hi...8^) presented in the standard library. In the library version that I got when installing KiCad just a few weeks ago, the anode is marked as pin 1, and the cathode as pin 2. Good. But, the square pin shape is on pin 2. Not good?? that is supposed to get the square shape? Would I be painting myself into some kind of corner if I change all diode modules to have square shapes for pin 1?
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Re: PCB calculator and Library editor "lost"
Try right-clicking the icon that indicates the application is active and select "Move" (as long as W7 is similar to older versions), then use the keypad arrows to move the invisible image back onto your screen.
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HTH, Donald. -- *Plain Text* email -- it's an accessibility issue () no proprietary attachments; no html mail /\ ascii ribbon campaign - <www.asciiribbon.org> ----- Original Message -----
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PCB calculator and Library editor "lost"
Hi. I am not sure if this is a HW, Win7 (64 bit) or Kicad problem, however I have only observed the problem in Kicad.
I have a laptop that I sometimes connect to an external monitor. I often disconnect from the external monitor without shutting down the computer. Usually this works fine, but then I "lost" the PCB calculator. The program seems to start and is available in the task bar, but the actual program is "invisible". At first I believed it was on my external disconnected monitor, but after reconnecting the monitor, the program was still "invisible". Even after rebooting the PC the program was "invisible". As long as it was only the PCB calculator that was lost it wasn't that important, but now the same thing has happened with the Library editor, and thats a lot worse. Anyone that have an idea of how to fix this? I have not tried to reinstall Kicad yet. |
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Re: Diodes in standard library - square pin??
Andy Eskelson
It's only a convention, you don't have to follow it. It's one that I
never use if I am designing my own modules I just use the same shape throughout. When I was laying out PCB's with pad and tape you had a choice of round or if you were very posh oval, and that was it :-)) When CAD type PCB came into the industry, it was fairly common to use a different shaped pad to identify the the same pin that was identified on an IC, usually pin 1 Square pads can be a problem because the corners can prevent other tracks routing near them, so I have seen octagonal p[ads in some cases. The practise crept into other components in some cases. However there are SO many different components that it does not work for everything. Some big stud rectifiers had opposite connections where the stud could be the anode of cathode depending on the device. Some people use a square pad to identify the positive end of a cap, but if you lok and a lot of caps, the case identifies the negative pin. Over the past couple of decades SMT has taken over most of the commercial electronic world and so the pad shape is a moot point, it has to be a rectangular shape everywhere. Another point, you will also find some components that are identified as A, K -- e,b,c -- d,s,g1,g2 and so on - I've see them all. For hobby use you just get on with it and use whatever convention suits you, for commercial use the silkscreen is the place for identifiers generally. Also don't forget that many commercial units are built with pick and place technology, and the robots don't care about pad shapes :-)) Andy On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:49:52 -0000 "shelmichaels" <yahooshel@...> wrote: Hi... |
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Re: How to copy a PCB
Mitch Davis
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM, mithat_konar <mithat_konar@...> wrote:
Protection? <laughs> There is only one law in China: "Don't challenge the Party". If you remember that, you can do pretty much anything else. If you sell your project into the Chinese market, don't be surprised that someone has copied it and brought it to market inside of 10 days. There is no effective legal protection, and to use Bob's words, there's no protection in the moral dimension either, as that's a total vacuum here. Deng Xiaoping said "to get rich is glorious", and to the majority of people here, that's all they care about. Yes you can make money with products in the Chinese market, and the way to do it is to sell in conjunction with a service. If you're giving someone a service, or an experience, and you can develop a brand around it, it's much harder to copy. A post from my blog: Mitch. |
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Re: How to copy a PCB
Mitch,
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This is fascinating. Can you tell us anything about protection of the circuit design itself (i.e., the "schematic") in China? -Mithat --- In kicad-users@..., Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:
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Diodes in standard library - square pin??
shelmichaels
Hi...
I'm trying to get up to speed with KiCad, and it's going pretty well. 8^) One thing that bothers me, though, is the footprint/module for diodes as presented in the standard library. In the library version that I got when installing KiCad just a few weeks ago, the anode is marked as pin 1, and the cathode as pin 2. Good. But, the square pin shape is on pin 2. Not good?? Doesn't this violate conventions on pin shapes? Isn't it always pin 1 that is supposed to get the square shape? Would I be painting myself into some kind of corner if I change all diode modules to have square shapes for pin 1? Thanks for your time in looking at this. Best regards, ...Shel |
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Re: How to copy a PCB
Mitch Davis
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 3:44 AM, bobcousins34
<bobcousins42@...> wrote: Hello Bob, I did some reading to try and find the answer, and well, I'm quite surprised. It appears that in the USA at least, copyright on PCB layout is very weak, existing only in the artistic side of a design. The part of the design that exists because of utility (which is what Sudipta wants with the board's RF characteristics) isn't protected. See response 6: In a very strange twist, it seems that PCB layout *is* protected in China: Like so many laws in China however, it's not enforced. Here in Shenzhen, one can go down the street and get a PCB scanned and converted back into design files for under USD20. Strange world. Thanks for bringing this up Bob! Mitch. |
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Re: How to copy a PCB
--- In kicad-users@..., Mitch Davis <mjd@...> wrote:
I think you raise a good point in the moral dimension, but in the legal dimension there is no copyright protection on PCBs. |
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Re: CvPCB - Can't find custom footprints to associate with eeschema
Andy Eskelson
Make sure that you ADD ypur module library to cvpcb AND pcbnew.
One or the other is prob missing. Andy On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:51:33 -0000 "tmortus" <tom_mort@...> wrote: I have a circuit board layout in eeschema and pcbnew that was just about complete. When I went to use free router as I was importing and exporting the file I got some errors that I thought were the resuld of some one pad modules that were in pcbnew that I didn't have in eeschema since they were simply for holes. |
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CvPCB - Can't find custom footprints to associate with eeschema
I have a circuit board layout in eeschema and pcbnew that was just about complete. When I went to use free router as I was importing and exporting the file I got some errors that I thought were the resuld of some one pad modules that were in pcbnew that I didn't have in eeschema since they were simply for holes.
I added addes some components in eeschema to correspond with the one pad modules that were for the holes. I have saved the hole modules in a directory I have to to hold the libraries for components and modules I have created. If I navigate to this directory I see: I go back to eeschema and make sure that the path to the dirctory where I have my custom components and modules in included. I then run annotate, erc, build a netlist, save it and then go to CvPCB. After I start CvPCB I select the netlist I just made, then do save netlist and footprint files and then make sure the path to my custom components are stored is present. When I see the list of footprints in CvPCB I don't see the footprint for the hole module I just saved. In fact this last time around as I did this for this post I no longer see any of the custome modules/footprints I have made. Prior to this time I could see all but the holes I have just added. If I go to the directory where I have the custom modules, components and footprints stored I can see the .mod file for the hole module I have just stored but there isn't a .dcm footprint file stored for it. However there are both .mod and .dcm files for all the other custom modules and footprints I have made. I have checked and the path to them is listed. I have pressed automatic file association and f5 to refresh the screen and I still don't see my custom files??? Anyone have any idea what I am doing or not doing that is causing this? |
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