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A100 Pedal Draw bar tone stuck


Steven Mason
 

Hi, Im new to posting here.? I have a 1964 A100 and the two drawbars for the pedals are continuously operating, e.g. generating a tone unless I push them all the way in (off).? Any hints on how to trouble shoot? I am guessing its a not uncommon problem.? Thanks.


 

There are many folks here with much more knowledge than myself, but if your pedals are in place one of them may be stuck down and this could be found by playing each pedal one at a time. If however your pedals are not on the organ it could be one of the plungers is stuck down...jmho
Regards,
John


 

I had this problem often on my old Hammond. The kids in church stand on the pedals... And the some of the small boards making contact broke. Unscrew the pedal, cut from plastic the same size as the boards and the problem is fixed. I first tried to glue the boards back together with some plastic strips but that would not hold long. Plastic replacement works great for the next 50 years...?


On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, 20:50 john alluneedtoknow via , <keysnleslie122=[email protected]> wrote:
There are many folks here with much more knowledge than myself, but if your pedals are in place one of them may be stuck down and this could be found by playing each pedal one at a time. If however your pedals are not on the organ it could be one of the plungers is stuck down...jmho
Regards,
John


Steven Mason
 

Thanks John.?? I tried all the pedals and they all work.? E.g., each one produces a tone as long as its pressed so none are 'stuck'.? Im pretty sure its the tone generator.? Something to do with the contacts?


Steven Mason
 

Thanks Al I dont think its the pedals. I tried them all and they work.


 

But how do you know none of them are stuck and still you hear a sound (of one pedal?)
What sound do you hear? Which note is it??

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022, 18:37 Steven Mason via , <barrilles=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks John.?? I tried all the pedals and they all work.? E.g., each one produces a tone as long as its pressed so none are 'stuck'.? Im pretty sure its the tone generator.? Something to do with the contacts?


 

Steven,
At this point I could make a few guesses relative to busbars etc. but that's all they would be, so I graciously request that Chris and Scott "tone in" with their incredible expertise, and maybe the rest of us can learn something.
Regards to all,
John


 

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Hi!

Not sure if this helps but I remember a similar problem with my A100 which Chris fixed for me. If one of the metal contacts at the end of on of the pedals is slightly bent out of shape, it can be making constant contact and will therefore sound that particular note on both 16¡¯ and 8¡¯ pedal drawbars.

Chris corrected the contacts that were out of shape and just as importantly he replaced all the felt for the pedals.

Works like a dream!

Seems that you need to determine whether the sound is a real ¡¯note¡¯ or not (not sure if this was mentioned in a previous thread so forgive me if I am repeating it).

I¡¯m not very technical - the expert is Chris!

On 18 Apr 2022, at 18:47, john alluneedtoknow via <keysnleslie122@...> wrote:

Steven,
At this point I could make a few guesses relative to busbars etc. but that's all they would be, so I graciously request that Chris and Scott "tone in" with their incredible expertise, and maybe the rest of us can learn something.
Regards to all,
John



 

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Probability is that a pedal note is sounding perhaps only some harmonics, not the full tone. I would remove the pedal board from the organ as my first step. Just lift the "toe" end of the board and slide it out backwards. Chances are, the stuck note will stop sounding. Often a pedal board not correctly aligned or tilted by an uneven floor will have the effect of slightly depressing one of the contact plungers. If pulling the pedal board out stops the stuck note sounding. First check that all the steel springs on the end of the pedals that push the plungers down are level. If one is slightly bent downwards, this may have the same effect as pressing the pedal down slightly. After checking the springs, refit the pedal board with the organ switched on and pedal drawbars pulled out. You may find that you have to juggle the pedal board around a bit to get it to sit right on the frame.

More often than not, you will find that the stuck note disappears when the pedal board is removed. If it doesn't, then there must be a problem with the key contact assembly. Under the black felt on top of the pedal contact box, there are a series of plungers, one for each pedal that operate the pedal contacts. Pressing one of these should cause the relevant pedal note to sound (at least one pedal drawbar out of course), and the plunger should spring up promptly when released. If one of these is sticking down, then at least some of the harmonics of that pedal note may sound without a pedal being pressed. It's quite rare for the problem to be in the contact box though. I can't recall one instance of this happening in nearly 50 years of servicing Hammond organs.

On 18/04/2022 18:47, john alluneedtoknow via groups.io wrote:
Steven,
At this point I could make a few guesses relative to busbars etc. but that's all they would be, so I graciously request that Chris and Scott "tone in" with their incredible expertise, and maybe the rest of us can learn something.
Regards to all,
John


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Steven Mason
 

Chris - you are a wizard!

As soon as I pulled the pedals out the tone stopped.?? I cleaned the pedals (as long as they were out), reinserted and the tones were gone.

Many thanks!!!!

Steve