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Re: 8410/9500 Wattmeter Failure
There is an Alpha group here on "Groups.io", rather specific to the 9500, but I've seen inquiries regarding other Alpha models. In addition, Glenn Pladsen (AE0Q) often posts replies to issues posted there, and sometimes will email you direct regarding things posted on the forum.
The Alpha 9500 group is HERE: /g/Alpha9500 Good luck. -- 73, ~Alan
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Inductive EHT filtering
I've built many EHT supplies over decades but have always used capacitive only, ripple-filtering.
Sitting below my desk for many years, is an inductor rated 7,500V, 0.85A CCS, 10 Henries. It came from an industrial RF heater. I've never seen one used in an EHT ham amplifier supply...has anyone experience of this? 10H, even with just 1uF after it, has a -3dB frequency of 50Hz, so it would be pretty effective at 300Hz (3-phase, full-wave ripple). But how would the inductive ripple filter respond with an SSB load? What happens if the tube flashes over? Are some extra protections required? Thanks Tim |
Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýRFP will not sell 3-500Z tubes to overseas buyers but I bought 4
of them through their Ebay store, no problem. They will send them
anywhere in the world. Go figure. 73, Alek VK6APK On 19/02/2024 3:34 am, Dave w6de wrote:
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Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThere are? Russian 4?H roller inductors.. They are available at Dr. Alex, UR4LL: ?
? 73 Peter, DJ7WW ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim VE7RF via groups.io ## merrit Arnold's wife and son now run RF parts.? One of the girls who works there tells me arnolds wife is a ...'real piece of work'.? ?I know other folks who wanted to buy 4x10 tubes..and that was another item they would not ship overseas.? Bonny has some bug up her rear end, about some items that should not be shipped outside of the usa...siting....'only should be sold in america'.? The small 0-4.4 uh roller coil ( 8 ga wire) was originally made by multronics.? ?Then Cardwell condenser co? bought out multronics...and the same roller coils in the RF parts site were indeed stamped...'Cardwell condenser Corp'.? ?Cardwell sold out to 'Viking'? ?( who owns the custom clothing line).? ?I just ordered 2 of the rollers? directly from Viking, no fuss, shipped fast.? ?
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Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThank you for this write up. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From: [email protected]
<[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim VE7RF via groups.io
Sent: 18 February, 2024 17:22 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes ? On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:39 PM, Dave w6de wrote:
##? No they don't.? I just recently bought 2 x of the ameritron chokes from? RF parts. ( 2-3 yrs ago).? ?ONLY on some selected items, ( and that choke is NOT one of em, as of 5 mins ago) will they refuse to ship outside the USA.? I had also ordered a pair of 0-4.4 uh roller coils. RF parts would not export em.? I couldn't even get em shipped to a friend in the usa.? ?The only work around was to have a friend in the usa pay for em, and have em shipped to his usa address..... then re-send em to my address via USPS. ..( that advice came from the girl in the office, not the owner, bonny) ? ## merrit Arnold's wife and son now run RF parts.? One of the girls who works there tells me arnolds wife is a ...'real piece of work'.? ?I know other folks who wanted to buy 4x10 tubes..and that was another item they would not ship overseas.? Bonny has some bug up her rear end, about some items that should not be shipped outside of the usa...siting....'only should be sold in america'.? The small 0-4.4 uh roller coil ( 8 ga wire) was originally made by multronics.? ?Then Cardwell condenser co? bought out multronics...and the same roller coils in the RF parts site were indeed stamped...'Cardwell condenser Corp'.? ?Cardwell sold out to 'Viking'? ?( who owns the custom clothing line).? ?I just ordered 2 of the rollers? directly from Viking, no fuss, shipped fast.? ? ## never had any issues, ordering anything from the usa, never.? ?And ZERO issues with customs...items sail right to my front door.? Only the 'select items'? on RF parts site.? ?IMO, just another goofball outfit that I can't throw money at.? ? ##? I just tested both ameritron chokes on my VNA last week.? ?They resonate at? ?12.332 mhz....and also? 16.247 mhz.? ?They will not blow up on any of the 9 x ham bands.? ?They won't blow up on 60m band, and also 11 m.?? They will blow up on those 2 x freqs I stated,? +/-? 750 khz.? ? ## However, I know of at least 12 of em now, that have blown up in the last few years..... typ on 17m.? ##? W8JI sez he used to hand wind em on his machine, in his own shop...for use in all the Ameritron amps.? ?They have to be carefully wound, and using the same magnet wire, and correct placement of gaps, correct turns count on all 3 x windings, and also
correct amount of? that clear...'goop'? they slop on the sides, to keep the winding intact.? Magnet wire comes in 4 x different thickness's of enamel / formvar / nyclad? etc...and for each gauge.? You can also buy magnet wire in 1/2 gauges.? You can also buy
magnet wire in several different temp ratings...and also several different V ratings.? ?Depending on type of insulation used, and thickness,? that alone will change the dielectric constant.? ## JI sez he left ameritron in 2019. ( KM1H said JI got fired, but u know carl). After JI left, ameritron started? winding their own chokes....and it's a disaster.? JI said he had a ham ship? him an ameritron amp in for repair, ( made after 2019)? and? immediately saw that the plate choke is a? screwed up dog's breakfast.? He said he has seen that several times now.? He also said the gap between bottom winding,...and the chassis is way too close? vs his original version.? ? ## watch out.? Alpha copied the ameritron choke, and make their own version, which looks identical.... and works.? ?RF parts used to sell the alpha version, then switched to only the ameritron version, which is still screwed up.? How the hell they got the? 16.247 mhz? up higher towards the 17m band is beyond me.? ? ## W8JI now refuses to work on ANY ameritron amp, tube or ss.? ?He does sell the original version of the plate choke, built and tested to correct specs.? ?He makes the chokes in his shop, same as before 2019.? ? ## These days, I would check any plate choke on the vna, since they are so cheap (vna).? |
Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 11:39 PM, Dave w6de wrote:
What are the issues with Ameritron Plate Chokes? ##? No they don't.? I just recently bought 2 x of the ameritron chokes from? RF parts. ( 2-3 yrs ago).? ?ONLY on some selected items, ( and that choke is NOT one of em, as of 5 mins ago) will they refuse to ship outside the USA.? I had also ordered a pair of 0-4.4 uh roller coils. RF parts would not export em.? I couldn't even get em shipped to a friend in the usa.? ?The only work around was to have a friend in the usa pay for em, and have em shipped to his usa address..... then re-send em to my address via USPS. ..( that advice came from the girl in the office, not the owner, bonny) ? ## merrit Arnold's wife and son now run RF parts.? One of the girls who works there tells me arnolds wife is a ...'real piece of work'.? ?I know other folks who wanted to buy 4x10 tubes..and that was another item they would not ship overseas.? Bonny has some bug up her rear end, about some items that should not be shipped outside of the usa...siting....'only should be sold in america'.? The small 0-4.4 uh roller coil ( 8 ga wire) was originally made by multronics.? ?Then Cardwell condenser co? bought out multronics...and the same roller coils in the RF parts site were indeed stamped...'Cardwell condenser Corp'.? ?Cardwell sold out to 'Viking'? ?( who owns the custom clothing line).? ?I just ordered 2 of the rollers? directly from Viking, no fuss, shipped fast.? ? ## never had any issues, ordering anything from the usa, never.? ?And ZERO issues with customs...items sail right to my front door.? Only the 'select items'? on RF parts site.? ?IMO, just another goofball outfit that I can't throw money at.? ? ##? I just tested both ameritron chokes on my VNA last week.? ?They resonate at? ?12.332 mhz....and also? 16.247 mhz.? ?They will not blow up on any of the 9 x ham bands.? ?They won't blow up on 60m band, and also 11 m.?? They will blow up on those 2 x freqs I stated,? +/-? 750 khz.? ? ## However, I know of at least 12 of em now, that have blown up in the last few years..... typ on 17m.? ##? W8JI sez he used to hand wind em on his machine, in his own shop...for use in all the Ameritron amps.? ?They have to be carefully wound, and using the same magnet wire, and correct placement of gaps, correct turns count on all 3 x windings, and also correct amount of? that clear...'goop'? they slop on the sides, to keep the winding intact.? Magnet wire comes in 4 x different thickness's of enamel / formvar / nyclad? etc...and for each gauge.? You can also buy magnet wire in 1/2 gauges.? You can also buy magnet wire in several different temp ratings...and also several different V ratings.? ?Depending on type of insulation used, and thickness,? that alone will change the dielectric constant.? ## JI sez he left ameritron in 2019. ( KM1H said JI got fired, but u know carl). After JI left, ameritron started? winding their own chokes....and it's a disaster.? JI said he had a ham ship? him an ameritron amp in for repair, ( made after 2019)? and? immediately saw that the plate choke is a? screwed up dog's breakfast.? He said he has seen that several times now.? He also said the gap between bottom winding,...and the chassis is way too close? vs his original version.? ? ## watch out.? Alpha copied the ameritron choke, and make their own version, which looks identical.... and works.? ?RF parts used to sell the alpha version, then switched to only the ameritron version, which is still screwed up.? How the hell they got the? 16.247 mhz? up higher towards the 17m band is beyond me.? ? ## W8JI now refuses to work on ANY ameritron amp, tube or ss.? ?He does sell the original version of the plate choke, built and tested to correct specs.? ?He makes the chokes in his shop, same as before 2019.? ? ## These days, I would check any plate choke on the vna, since they are so cheap (vna).? |
Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
Almost every plate choke I see in an ameritron that comes in for repair is not wound properly. I always ask if they had used on 17 meters when I see a fried one , answer is always yes.
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I tell everyone to stay of 17 , some listen and some don¡¯t. Ones that don¡¯t listen say they don¡¯t see anything online about issues on 17 meters. The plate choke issue with 17 used to be posted in numerous places, but now seems to have vanished. On 2024-02-17 18:22, Alek Petkovic via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Robert. There are numerous reports that a batch of the chokes |
Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDunno mate. we're pretty much accustomed to paying double for everything in this part of the world, so we don't worry too much about it. Guess I'll hear from Tom when he fronts for work this week. Cheers, Alek.
On 18/02/2024 1:11 pm, Bob wrote:
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Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
Alek, How much will it be for them to be shipped to you? Bob W4JFA? On Sat, Feb 17, 2024, 8:22 PM Alek Petkovic via <vk6apk=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
Merrit Arnold¡¯s wife took over and lots changed. I send my customers to penta now have for months. If ever a tube issue replacement is quick.
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Nothing against rf parts , my customers get the whole sale price on tubes and east warranty replacement . Win win for my customers. I what¡¯s best for my customers On 2024-02-17 17:41, Dave w6de wrote:
It is probably because of the paperwork blizzard to send something when customs are involved. It appears to be different for each country. I personally have only sent things to Canada and Australia. Canada was easy via the postal service. But it was a mountain of paperwork to send a collector car to Australia (via ship). And, then just to send a spare set of keys and car history paperwork via the post/mail for the car, it was amazing how much paperwork was required--besides the amazing cost for just a large envelope. |
Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThanks Robert. There are numerous reports that a batch of the chokes were burning up on 17m. Anyway, problem solved, I have emailed W8JI with a view of purchasing a few of his. 73, Alek VK6APK On 18/02/2024 9:02 am, Robert W5AJ
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Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
Interesting I've installed the RFC3 in AL82, RFParts 3-500 with 1600w out into Navy surplus dummy load.? Tested ALL bands including warc.? Never noticed an issue.? ?Solid. Same with Alpha 89 with RFC3 replacement.? Worked great, sold the Alpha. I plan on using RFC3 in next HF homebrew. Robert W5AJ? On Sat, Feb 17, 2024, 3:39 PM Dave w6de <w6de@...> wrote: What are the issues with Ameritron Plate Chokes? |
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It is probably because of the paperwork blizzard to send something when customs are involved. It appears to be different for each country. I personally have only sent things to Canada and Australia. Canada was easy via the postal service. But it was a mountain of paperwork to send a collector car to Australia (via ship). And, then just to send a spare set of keys and car history paperwork via the post/mail for the car, it was amazing how much paperwork was required--besides the amazing cost for just a large envelope.
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73, Dave, w6de -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Sparkes via groups.io Sent: 17 February, 2024 23:59 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes Is it because you just can't see us from up there...? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Santas Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2024 7:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes Dave, I don't think it's an ITAR issue...... 73 Mike N2LYM -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave w6de Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 5:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes What are the issues with Ameritron Plate Chokes? I have used an RF Parts look alike for several amplifier projects. More chokes here Unfortunately, RF-Parts now lists these parts as "No longer available for export." When I worked for a US Defense Contractor, I found that Great Britain, Australia, and New Zealand were exempt from these restrictions. It may be worth an inquiry to see if RF-Parts will recognize this. Note: the RFC3 plate choke resonates at 10 MHz, and the Ameritron High Power Tube Amplifiers are not specified to run on the 10 MHz (30 Meters) band. 73, Dave, w6de -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alek Petkovic via groups.io Sent: 17 February, 2024 02:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes Does anyone know if Ameritron have resolved the issues with their spare parts plate chokes? I would be interested in purchasing a couple if they are not going to burn up. 73, Alek VK6APK. |
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Is it because you just can't see us from up there...?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Santas Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2024 7:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes Dave, I don't think it's an ITAR issue...... 73 Mike N2LYM -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave w6de Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 5:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes What are the issues with Ameritron Plate Chokes? I have used an RF Parts look alike for several amplifier projects. More chokes here Unfortunately, RF-Parts now lists these parts as "No longer available for export." When I worked for a US Defense Contractor, I found that Great Britain, Australia, and New Zealand were exempt from these restrictions. It may be worth an inquiry to see if RF-Parts will recognize this. Note: the RFC3 plate choke resonates at 10 MHz, and the Ameritron High Power Tube Amplifiers are not specified to run on the 10 MHz (30 Meters) band. 73, Dave, w6de -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alek Petkovic via groups.io Sent: 17 February, 2024 02:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes Does anyone know if Ameritron have resolved the issues with their spare parts plate chokes? I would be interested in purchasing a couple if they are not going to burn up. 73, Alek VK6APK. |
Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
Dave,
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I don't think it's an ITAR issue...... 73 Mike N2LYM -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave w6de Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 5:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes What are the issues with Ameritron Plate Chokes? I have used an RF Parts look alike for several amplifier projects. More chokes here Unfortunately, RF-Parts now lists these parts as "No longer available for export." When I worked for a US Defense Contractor, I found that Great Britain, Australia, and New Zealand were exempt from these restrictions. It may be worth an inquiry to see if RF-Parts will recognize this. Note: the RFC3 plate choke resonates at 10 MHz, and the Ameritron High Power Tube Amplifiers are not specified to run on the 10 MHz (30 Meters) band. 73, Dave, w6de -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alek Petkovic via groups.io Sent: 17 February, 2024 02:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes Does anyone know if Ameritron have resolved the issues with their spare parts plate chokes? I would be interested in purchasing a couple if they are not going to burn up. 73, Alek VK6APK. |
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What are the issues with Ameritron Plate Chokes?
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I have used an RF Parts look alike for several amplifier projects. More chokes here Unfortunately, RF-Parts now lists these parts as "No longer available for export." When I worked for a US Defense Contractor, I found that Great Britain, Australia, and New Zealand were exempt from these restrictions. It may be worth an inquiry to see if RF-Parts will recognize this. Note: the RFC3 plate choke resonates at 10 MHz, and the Ameritron High Power Tube Amplifiers are not specified to run on the 10 MHz (30 Meters) band. 73, Dave, w6de -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alek Petkovic via groups.io Sent: 17 February, 2024 02:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes Does anyone know if Ameritron have resolved the issues with their spare parts plate chokes? I would be interested in purchasing a couple if they are not going to burn up. 73, Alek VK6APK. |
Re: Loaded Plate chokes...again
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThis one: ? ? 73 Peter ? ? ? -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Loaded Plate chokes...again Datum: 2024-02-16T16:34:06+0100 Von: "Jim VE7RF" <jim.thom@...> An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> ? ? ? Where is the? 88 uh...down at the bottom ???
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