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Re: Identifying some rare tubes... 2nd
Even located in the adjacent room I can still hear an arc if were to occur. The 3x6 I’m building now will have a spark gap on the c1 and c2 , grid overload , plate overload , cathode return fuse , grid current fuse , plate b+ fuse , series glitch plate b+, fuse in series with one side of the plate secondary , blower pressure interlock. Should be pretty bullet proof.
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On 2024-02-25 15:51, Steve wrote:
On 2/25/2024 1:28 PM, Amp Guy Llc wrote:But the real question is why would you want a noisy pa in the sameBecause you wear headphones, and external noise doesn't bother you?? |
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Headphones yeah I almost said that , but one of the main reasons a pa comes in for repair. Person has an open on the output , way outa tune or sone sort of other issue and they don’t hear a component arcing away. In a standard multi pa usually ends up being the plate tune air variable cap and or the band switch.
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On 2024-02-25 15:51, Steve wrote:
On 2/25/2024 1:28 PM, Amp Guy Llc wrote:But the real question is why would you want a noisy pa in the sameBecause you wear headphones, and external noise doesn't bother you?? |
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Yes they will convert to a hi mu
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Price last time I asked was roughly 2400 minus shipping to rebuild a 3cx15k . Not sure on the 3cx10k Econco changed their warranty , now 1 year / 3000 filament hours whichever comes first. Used to be 3000 hr filament and no limit on time to achieve. On 2024-02-25 15:34, Tim Fern wrote:
"rebuilt by econco, and they will replace the grid with a high mu |
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Steve nobody puts a 3x3 or any other big tube into a desktop unit.? ?They all go into a standard 19"/ 24" rack.? Typ the blower hangs below the bottom of the chassis.? ?Putting a 100 lb box on a desk is nuts.? My racks all sit in the shop next door.... 4 in total...all in a row.?? |
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WB4VVI(SK) always told me when building/designing a transmitter or amp to use a tube that was pretty flat emission wise. No sense in screwing up a good tube on a miss-wired endeavor and/or a parasitic that may have unwittingly found itself into the construction!
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Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y)/W3SLK -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Amp Guy Llc Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 4:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Identifying some rare tubes... Agreed, Don't start any amp project, unless you have at LEAST TWO known good tubes. And don't build any amp with more than one tube....pita. You will have a helluva time trying to play...'match up'. It's kinda hard to fit a 3x3 into a desktop cabinet. Good point jim. Also not good practice to build a pa around a tube that is near unobtanium. As for fitting a 3000 in a desk top cabinet, just make the plate supply separate and stick it under the desk. Presto Piece of cake. But the real question is why would you want a noisy pa in the same room with you. On 2024-02-25 13:40, Steve wrote: On 2/25/2024 10:52 AM, Jim VE7RF wrote:Agreed, Don't start any amp project, unless you have at LEAST TWOIt's kinda hard to fit a 3x3 into a desktop cabinet. |
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"rebuilt? by econco, and they will replace the grid with a high mu grid"?I suppose that is only possible with the 3X15 because a hi mu grid component is available? Does anyone know the cost of a 3CX10/15 rebuild $?? ballpark, I've never done it.
A couple of those tubes with flex leads are Thales ITL9-1's (low mu oscillator tubes) I guess there is unlikely to be a hi mu grid for them :-( https://soudeuse-haute-frequence.com/nos_produits/triode/ITL9-1.pdf Tim |
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Agreed, Don't start any amp project, unless you have at LEAST TWO
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known good tubes. And don't build any amp with more than one tube....pita. You will have a helluva time trying to play...'match up'. It's kinda hard to fit a 3x3 into a desktop cabinet. Good point jim. Also not good practice to build a pa around a tube that is near unobtanium. As for fitting a 3000 in a desk top cabinet, just make the plate supply separate and stick it under the desk. Presto Piece of cake. But the real question is why would you want a noisy pa in the same room with you. On 2024-02-25 13:40, Steve wrote:
On 2/25/2024 10:52 AM, Jim VE7RF wrote:Agreed,? Don't start any amp project, unless you have at LEAST TWOIt's kinda hard to fit a 3x3 into a desktop cabinet. |
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On 2/25/2024 10:52 AM, Jim VE7RF wrote:
Agreed,? Don't start any amp project, unless you have at LEAST TWOIt's kinda hard to fit a 3x3 into a desktop cabinet. ... with a high 3-digit, maybe low 4-digit electric bill... |
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On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 11:40 PM, Steve wrote:
That 3x15 triode with the flex leads is the H3 version.? ?Those are low mu...and useless? for cathode driven / GG amplifier service.? ?However, it can be rebuilt? by econco, and they will replace the grid with a high mu grid. It's done all the time.? Then it becomes the ultimate tube, since no socket required.? ?Just bolt the grid flange to the chassis.? Apply 1.5 kw of drive....and blast away with 30 kw pep out.? As a bonus, you can heat the home in winter, with...'free heat'. ? We have the fil choke for those 160 amp and lower down to a fine art.? It's just a simple matter of sliding a mess of fair-rite type 43 oval beads over a pair of 1-0 power cables....done..... in abt 20 secs flat.? |
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开云体育Regardless, with just one unknown-condition example of either, you'd be foolhardy to design anything around one... Steve, K0XP
On 2/24/2024 2:29 PM, Mike Sawyer via
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开云体育Strange. On the link you sent on one photo it shows the 6T51 as a glass tube but on another photo it shows it as an external anode. Even on evilbay they show a 6T51 as an external anode as a FU-605. ? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y)/W3SLK ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Fern ? Indeed, but sadly the only other pictures I have: |
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I agree. The pattern on the background makes it a little confusing.
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 11:52:41 AM EST, Joe - W7RKN <w7rkn.7@...> wrote:
Just a thought…perhaps putting the items on a white, non-patterned background, might make 滨顿’颈苍驳 them a might easier! ? Just sayin’! ? Joe – W7RKN ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Fern ? I've been offered this job lot from a SK sale... _._,_ |
Re: Identifying some rare tubes...
开云体育Just a thought…perhaps putting the items on a white, non-patterned background, might make 滨顿’颈苍驳 them a might easier! ? Just sayin’! ? Joe – W7RKN ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Fern ? I've been offered this job lot from a SK sale... _._,_ |
Re: Kudos to Digi Key and Hammond Mfg.
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Like Steve said, Digi Key is the only way to order them. The original in my amp was a Magnelab. They are poorly built and according to Glenn, all of the Magnelab transformers have failed. Alpha was replacing them as late as 2009 under warranty, if I recall what he told me correctly.?
Anyway, my 99 is good to go and I am loving busting pileups again.? :) |
Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
开云体育Atr 50Hz 1.2A will be permitted when winding a transformer with that wire. At free air 14A will be maximum. ? 73 Peter, DJ7WW ? ? ? -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Ameritron Plate Chokes Datum: 2024-02-22T17:36:36+0100 Von: "Jim VE7RF" <jim.thom@...> ? ? I measured the OD of the magnet wire, and it's .028".? It's 22 ga all right.? (.028" OD on the enamel).? Started at 5 amps CCS for 20 mins, then increased the current.? Stone cold at 7 amps. Started to warm up at 9 amps, and I could definitely feel the heat with supply maxed out at 11 amps CCS.? That was an eye opener.? That's open air. Wind a plate choke with it, and the max CCS DC current rating drops like a rock.? |
Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
开云体育Oopsie... I didn't notice earlier that you mentioned the 8K's choke is wound on teflon... Steve, K0XP On 2/22/2024 8:52 AM, Steve wrote:
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Re: Ameritron Plate Chokes
开云体育Yup; PTFE's a pretty good thermal insulator at low temperatures (i.e.: below its melting or burning point), especially compared to ceramic. Moreover, the ceramic can take a couple thousand degrees before it'll suddenly fail (likely by shattering); not so with that PTFE rod. Also, consider just how long you're letting that current heat up
the wire and ceramic rod; it'll take more current when cold
compared to after it's been warmed up. A glazed ceramic rod would probly suck up more heat since its surface is smooth and thus makes good thermal contact with the wire, compared to the unglazed ceramic rod. I would expect that if you ran the same thermal runaway test using an equivalent glazed ceramic rod, it would probly allow higher current (and thus higher temperature), but then once the rubicon is crossed, it might also show a faster thermal runaway characteristic. If the 8K's choke is wound on a glazed ceramic rod, that's likely why it takes off so quickly. Or perhaps its wire isn't making as good contact to the coil form. It's all Thermodynamics? 8-) Steve, K0XP On 2/22/2024 8:36 AM, Jim VE7RF wrote:
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