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Re: Tuned input
I see a quantity on Ebay but they are a small fortune. Not what I expected.
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:37:28 PM EST, W7WRX <clark@...> wrote:
Mike.? I ordered the board from Fred at FAR.? He did not have relays or the trimmers. I found the relays and have ordered them.?? |
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Re: Tuned input
Arco was the big name in variable caps at one time. Not sure if they are still around. I wonder if there are any articles on that board? I see the original designer has passed. Mike
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 12:37:28 PM EST, W7WRX <clark@...> wrote:
Mike.? I ordered the board from Fred at FAR.? He did not have relays or the trimmers. I found the relays and have ordered them.?? |
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Re: Tuned input
Mike.? I ordered the board from Fred at FAR.? He did not have relays or the trimmers. I found the relays and have ordered them.?? |
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Re: AL-80B fan
You guy's guess was about right! No beer but "fireball"! Bob W4JFA? On Fri, Dec 29, 2023, 8:45 PM Steve <k0xp@...> wrote:
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Re: Tuned input
开云体育
I have tried this in the past. It's a huge KLUDGE and would not recommend it.? That tuner is going to try to tune while you are transmitting, You're constantly showing your radio a bad match every time you change frequency as it has to retune.?
Unless you can somehow make it stop with hard ware or software it never works.??
The old LDG amplifier version had special code that made it work for an amplifier and it had board changes as we only need a small change to work with cathode drive.
Then, The biggest issue, Is the Q is never correct.? The Q is important here for properly function and flywheel effect.? The antenna tuner is never going to match the correct Q.? It's super narrow and will have to retune even with slight changes in frequency.?
If you jump from 14.100 to 14.250 its gonna ratchet away as you try to make a contact OR if its disabled, the SWR on the input will be 6 to 1.
What people end up doing is to remove the AUTO portion and just hard wire the relays for each band.? At that point, Just build a board and tune it.
C
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Brian Moran via groups.io <brian.moran@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 7:17 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Tuned input ?
Yes, you would mount the tuner inside your amplifier somewhere; the output of the input network should be close to the tube. Controls for the tuner, and potentially the display, would be on the front panel. ? |
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Re: Tuned input
Yes, you would mount the tuner inside your amplifier somewhere; the output of the input network should be close to the tube. Controls for the tuner, and potentially the display, would be on the front panel. ? |
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Re: Tuned input
开云体育
I guess I don't understand. Your suggesting to install this tuner inside the RF deck?? How will you control it?? How will you switch it to difference bands?How will you prevent it from tuning as you transmit??? on a Grounded grid amplifier, the impedance changes
drastically as you add drive and adjust the output power.? ? On this particular map it could be 1.5 to 3 to 1 depending on drive and tuning.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Brian Moran via groups.io <brian.moran@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2023 9:35 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Tuned input ?
Here's a late entry to your options: Get one of the ATU kits that are readily available online, running the software from N7DDC.? Modify the HW, and/or the SW. But you have all of the pieces you need in the kits.
software: hardware: just one of MANY available from AMZN:? Or from AliExpress:? I've ordered and built the ATU-100's in the past, they work quite well -- I've used them with QRP radios (e.g. QDX from QRP-labs), as well as a k3 with no tuner.? -Brian N9ADG |
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Re: Tuned input
Here's a late entry to your options: Get one of the ATU kits that are readily available online, running the software from N7DDC.? Modify the HW, and/or the SW. But you have all of the pieces you need in the kits.
software: hardware: just one of MANY available from AMZN:? Or from AliExpress:? I've ordered and built the ATU-100's in the past, they work quite well -- I've used them with QRP radios (e.g. QDX from QRP-labs), as well as a k3 with no tuner.? -Brian N9ADG |
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Re: Tuned input
I really like this option:?
? ?- code is available -? ? ?- parts kits are orderable from a number of sources, including amazon (get it in maybe two days!), aliexpress, etc. search for AT-100. Could be as low as 21.xx from Aliexpress ? ?- testable outside of the amp (put varying loads representing your amplifier input on the output of the ATU100 to see how well they're matched) ? ?- I *think* some models actually show the values of L and C used to match so... you could make a fixed network if you like. Consider the price of the kit a "test instrument" for determining values for your manually switched network. -Brian N9ADG |
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of mike repinski via groups.io <mikflathead@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2023 7:52 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Tuned input ?
Far circuit boards makes the circuit board for a tuned input. It uses relays and comes in 6 band thru 8 band modules. Check with them. It looks like W4ZT was the designer. Mike
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 09:43:40 AM EST, W7WRX <clark@...> wrote:
You don't. They don't make it anymore. They only sell the regular auto tuner.? It's a major kludge. Hence me wanting to install a real tuned input.
C
On Dec 29, 2023 10:33 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 7:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
Dang... they actually designed it so screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...? 8-/ Actually, that makes sense since these aren't latching relays. So instead, you somehow have to whet it's desire to go retune when the SWR goes too high... how to do that, I wonder? Steve, K0XP
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.
I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job.... Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive. Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units. Steve, K0XP --
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Re: Tuned input
Far circuit boards makes the circuit board for a tuned input. It uses relays and comes in 6 band thru 8 band modules. Check with them. It looks like W4ZT was the designer. Mike
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 09:43:40 AM EST, W7WRX <clark@...> wrote:
You don't. They don't make it anymore. They only sell the regular auto tuner.? It's a major kludge. Hence me wanting to install a real tuned input.
C
On Dec 29, 2023 10:33 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 7:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
Dang... they actually designed it so screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...? 8-/ Actually, that makes sense since these aren't latching relays. So instead, you somehow have to whet it's desire to go retune when the SWR goes too high... how to do that, I wonder? Steve, K0XP
They stopped making that unit years ago.? I tried using the at100 remote ldg.? It decided to tune while I was transmitting. That was it. Smoked.
I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job.... Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive. Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units. Steve, K0XP --
See my QRZ.com page at |
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Re: Tuned input
开云体育You don't. They don't make it anymore. They only sell the regular auto tuner.? It's a major kludge. Hence me wanting to install a real tuned input.
C
On Dec 29, 2023 10:33 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 7:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
Dang... they actually designed it so screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...? 8-/ Actually, that makes sense since these aren't latching relays. So instead, you somehow have to whet it's desire to go retune when the SWR goes too high... how to do that, I wonder? Steve, K0XP
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Re: Tuned input
That's the one. Are they still made?
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 07:58:57 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:
Sorry. I forgot the link.
On 30/12/2023 8:57 am, Alek Petkovic
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Re: AL80-B tuned input
开云体育I forgot to mention that the capacitor values quoted in the user manual bear no resmblance to the ones mounted on the board. I bought a complete new board from Ameritron and same thing. Completely different to the manual. Alek VK6APK On 30/12/2023 9:43 am, NI5L wrote:
The 2 prior posts are a perfect segue into my question. My input SWR on 30 is over 3 to 1 and 12 meters is about 2 to 1. The rest seem ok.? |
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Re: Tuned input
I wonder if one of these cheap china atu's could be made to work.
They also sell the setup outside if it's box for 40bucks worth a try?? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166521005922?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=Ec92ZeF4TSa&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=z3n9lCyhQEC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=SMS In case the link doesn't work, search atu 100 on eBay or similar.? |
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Re: Tuned input
开云体育On 12/29/2023 7:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
Dang... they actually designed it so screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...? 8-/ Actually, that makes sense since these aren't latching relays. So instead, you somehow have to whet it's desire to go retune
when the SWR goes too high... how to do that, I wonder? Steve, K0XP
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Re: Tuned input
开云体育They actually made that unit to be powered up.? If you turn off power, relays unlatch and radio sees no load and or super high swr.
If ya want to blow your radio up follow Steve's advice :)
C
On Dec 29, 2023 4:52 PM, "Steve via groups.io" <k0xp@...> wrote:
On 12/29/2023 3:45 PM, W7WRX wrote:
I suppose the answer to that would be to disconnect power to the tuner after it's done its job.... Or rewire it so it only tunes when power is applied, then you remove power to keep it from self-destructing-under-drive. Yeah, I know: VERY inconvenient! Perhaps that's why they quit making such units. Steve, K0XP |
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Re: AL80-B tuned input
开云体育Here's the secret for 30m. 20m and 30m share the same slug and they are far apart in
frequency. The advice I got from Ameritron is that you can tune
for 20m OR tune for 30m. You can't have both. Make your choice and
live with it. Given the legal constraints on 30m, it is most logical to set it
for 20m but I ain't gonna judge anyone. 10m and 12m are similar, to a certain extent. You may just need to live with the 2:1 on 12m. If you are a CW man only, you will need to insert additional slugs in the 160m and 80m coil formers.? The cores are all but impossible to move or get out. A good thing to assist is to use locksmiths graphite powder and liberally puff it down into the coil tubes from each end before you start trying to move them.
On 30/12/2023 9:43 am, NI5L wrote:
The 2 prior posts are a perfect segue into my question. My input SWR on 30 is over 3 to 1 and 12 meters is about 2 to 1. The rest seem ok.? |
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Re: AL-80B fan
开云体育Including the beer, count on four. If he only has coffee, it'll probly be just two? 8-) Steve, K0XP
On 12/29/2023 5:41 PM, Bob wrote:
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