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Econco now rebuilding Svetlana tubes !

 

? Econco is? now re-building Svetlana? tubes.? ? In the past, every tube rebuilder on the planet has tried,?

(including econco)... and failed to? re-build? Svetlana tubes.? ?


Apparently,? Econco removes the entire guts? from the? Svetlana? tubes.....and replaces em with 'econco'? guts.

Only the anode remains as oem.? ?


Econco is desperate for? 'duds'.? ?I suspect that Econco? knew how to rebuild? Svetlana tubes? all? along.? ?BTW,? Eimac also rebuilt tubes.... until? they bought out? Econco.??



I? don't get tube? prices at all.? ?Chinese 8877? from? Ameritron is? >? $1000.00? ? ? ?Eimac? 8877? from Ameritron is? >? $2800.00? ? ? ?Greenstone? (chinese) 3CX-3000A7? is still? $725.00? ? ? Henry? radio? switched to greenstone brand tubes.... 7 years before they stopped selling? ?hf? amps.? ?You can still? buy? ?3x3's? ?for? $725? from? henry radio for? $725.00? ?or any? other? greenstone? dealer.?


Jim? ?VE7RF




Re: Hsu

 


<IMD is ridiculous...even at 1500W.

<Screen voltage is well regulated so i am thinking IMD is from tube.? 4CX1500B swap will be possible but very <expensive ...? much more better amp is around and make here with full service support.

<Dont waste a buck on this.

<This is my opinion..

<Guillaume VA2NA

##? Nothing wrong with the pair of? chinese? FU-728's.? ?The? OM-4000? also uses a pair? of FU-728's, and when used with an ANAN- 8000,? IMD is? -70dbc? ? for? imd? ?3-5-7-9-11-13 .... and that's at? 4+ kw pep out.? ?But that is when .....' pure signal'? is? being used.... and the? sample is? derived from the linear .? ?KA0KA has the anan 7000 /? om-4000? setup. On the waterfall display,? on ssb / essb .... it drops off over the cliff asap.?

## But? really,? if? you want to run? 4+ kw pep? out, use a real tube, like a 3CX-3000A7.??

Jim? ?VE7RF


Re: Hsu

 

My friend VA3AQB. Alan, has one. ?He¡¯s had his share of problems wit it. ?If you email him at his call. Yahoo.ca he can tell you much about it. ?I know he had issues. ?He fixed everything himself. ?Might want to think twice about one of them.

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On?Wednesday, June 26, 2019,?va2na@... [ham_amplifiers]??wrote:

?

To be honest with you guy... stay away from it.


i Know 4 owner of LA-4000, 3 got home for major repair + modification.? The last one i dont know i never spoke with the owner but i bet is power board will fry very soon.

YU Lang the owner of AMPTEC, is not listen at all...not very helpfull ...he not came back to my email as i told him all the bad design he do on this piece of junk :)

The way he keep the amp running using power divider on 240 volt is getting hot very fast and blow very quick.

Glitch resistor value is to low and not limit often current when flashover occur...the board trace goes in smoke each time.

IMD is ridiculous...even at 1500W.

Screen voltage is well regulated so i am thinking IMD is from tube.? 4CX1500B swap will be possible but very expensive ...? much more better amp is around and make here with full service support.

Dont waste a buck on this.

This is my opinion..

Guillaume VA2NA


Series DC Blocking cap.

 

Slightly off topic,


I am using an old Heathkit antenna switch that has the control voltages riding on the coax.? The series DC blocking capacitor in the outside box has a piece chipped out of it.? Maybe lighting, maybe power did it.? It¡¯s an .02 uf ?1.6 KV disk.

?

I bought a .02uf ?3 KV disk Vishay and installed it.? If I run a 1500 watt carrier through it for about 15 seconds, it gets warmer than lukewarm.?? Warmest on 10 meters as I would expect.

?

Would one expect the cap to be warm to hot after that amount of time??? Any suggestions on what I should put in there??? Curiously, the inside control box uses two of the .02 caps in parallel, not one as the? outside box does.

?

Jim ¨C KR9U



Re: International shipping of Amplifier question L4B and a NIB HF-2500 Commander

 

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PS: I'd love the Commander but I already have one. :-)

On 26/06/2019 9:17 PM, k9uwa@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I need to ship a Drake L4B to a ham in VK6 land. The quotes I found from FedEx DHL etc are totally nuts. The buyer isn't in a hurry but somehow we have to get the shipping to something reasonable. So I thought where better to find out than from the Ham Amplifier group? So where do we get reasonable deals.

One other question. I also have a brand new in the box Commander HF-2500 with a serial number on it of 0475. It has never had a plug connected to the power cord. Yes I am selling off a local SK's ham equipment for the widow. SK is Jule Franke W9TQA

link to the sales AD on QRZ.com


All help appreciated. Email to me k9uwa@...?

thanks
73
John k9uwa

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Smart Design Electrical. 
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Re: International shipping of Amplifier question L4B and a NIB HF-2500 Commander

 

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G'day John.

USPS? Pack and Send?

The latter uses the same courier companies but they have big accounts, so the prices are often vastly cheaper.

I don't know why it costs so much to get stuff out of North America. The same weight as a L4 amp and supply, sent from China, via DHL, etc, costs around US$80.00. I know this because I get HV transformers custom built there and they are shipped to me here in rural VK6.

The VK6 ham is my good friend. He lives 9 miles from me. I suggested the L4 for him. You will not have any troubles dealing with him.

He had one organised and paid for from a ham in YV but because of the political situation there, it was impounded by authorities. My mate got his money back and the last I heard, the owner is trying hard to get his amp back.

73, Alek.
VK6APK

On 26/06/2019 9:17 PM, k9uwa@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I need to ship a Drake L4B to a ham in VK6 land. The quotes I found from FedEx DHL etc are totally nuts. The buyer isn't in a hurry but somehow we have to get the shipping to something reasonable. So I thought where better to find out than from the Ham Amplifier group? So where do we get reasonable deals.

One other question. I also have a brand new in the box Commander HF-2500 with a serial number on it of 0475. It has never had a plug connected to the power cord. Yes I am selling off a local SK's ham equipment for the widow. SK is Jule Franke W9TQA

link to the sales AD on QRZ.com


All help appreciated. Email to me k9uwa@...?

thanks
73
John k9uwa

-- 
From sunny Binningup



Family Businesses:
SP Electrical. 
The Velvet Fox. 
Smart Design Electrical. 
Perth Interiors. 


Re: Hsu

 

To be honest with you guy... stay away from it.

i Know 4 owner of LA-4000, 3 got home for major repair + modification.? The last one i dont know i never spoke with the owner but i bet is power board will fry very soon.

YU Lang the owner of AMPTEC, is not listen at all...not very helpfull ...he not came back to my email as i told him all the bad design he do on this piece of junk :)

The way he keep the amp running using power divider on 240 volt is getting hot very fast and blow very quick.

Glitch resistor value is to low and not limit often current when flashover occur...the board trace goes in smoke each time.

IMD is ridiculous...even at 1500W.

Screen voltage is well regulated so i am thinking IMD is from tube.? 4CX1500B swap will be possible but very expensive ...? much more better amp is around and make here with full service support.

Dont waste a buck on this.

This is my opinion..

Guillaume VA2NA


International shipping of Amplifier question L4B and a NIB HF-2500 Commander

 

I need to ship a Drake L4B to a ham in VK6 land. The quotes I found from FedEx DHL etc are totally nuts. The buyer isn't in a hurry but somehow we have to get the shipping to something reasonable. So I thought where better to find out than from the Ham Amplifier group? So where do we get reasonable deals.

One other question. I also have a brand new in the box Commander HF-2500 with a serial number on it of 0475. It has never had a plug connected to the power cord. Yes I am selling off a local SK's ham equipment for the widow. SK is Jule Franke W9TQA

link to the sales AD on QRZ.com


All help appreciated. Email to me k9uwa@...?

thanks
73
John k9uwa


Re: Hsu

 

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Thanks Lou.

Hsu was a great contact. He helped me out on many occasions, when it came to sourcing good quality stuff from China.

Not only that, I reckon he is a very decent and honest person. As I mentioned, I had a question for him the other week and the email has gone unanswered, so far.

I hope everything is ok with him.

Cheers, Alek.



On 25/06/2019 6:55 PM, Gudguyham@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
Hsu and his partner who sold the HF 2013 amplifier back in 2013 had broken off the partnership and his partner went on to start the Amptech company. ?Hsu was supposed to come to Dayton in 2013 to show off the HF2013 manual and auto tune amps. ?About a week before the Dayton show Hsu ?gas bypass surgery and couldn¡¯t make Dayton. ?The amps were here in the US waiting for him. ?The manual tune was to go to a friend of mine as he had already paid for it. ?Subsequently my friend finally got the amp some months later. ?The amp had issues that I had worked on and at the time I was in contact with Hsu as he shipped me parts. ?Since that time I haven¡¯t heard from him. ?Far as I know after the split with his partner he hadn¡¯t done much with amps. ?I have to admit that he was very good at supplying parts needed to get that amp working again. ?

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On?Tuesday, June 25, 2019,?Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]??wrote:

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Anybody seen or heard anything from our friend Hsu lately.

I sent him an email a few weeks ago and have heard nothing back from him.

73, Alek.
VK6APK.

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The Velvet Fox.
Smart Design Electrical.
Perth Interiors.


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From sunny Binningup



Family Businesses:
SP Electrical. 
The Velvet Fox. 
Smart Design Electrical. 
Perth Interiors. 


Re: Hsu

 

VA2NA? did an? extensive IMD? write up on the Amptec? LA4000,? back? on Oct 22, 2017.? ? It's Item #15, under
'files'? on this site.? Uses? 2 x FU-728's....and? runs? 4 kw output.? ?Appears? to be a clone of a manual tune?
OM-4000.? ? ?Amptec? version? is? $3.5 K.... vs $6.1 K? for the OM-4000? version.

AFAIK,? amptec? is? still? HSU's? company..... but perhaps? VA2NA? can comment.?

Jim? VE7RF?


Re: Hsu

 

Hsu and his partner who sold the HF 2013 amplifier back in 2013 had broken off the partnership and his partner went on to start the Amptech company. ?Hsu was supposed to come to Dayton in 2013 to show off the HF2013 manual and auto tune amps. ?About a week before the Dayton show Hsu ?gas bypass surgery and couldn¡¯t make Dayton. ?The amps were here in the US waiting for him. ?The manual tune was to go to a friend of mine as he had already paid for it. ?Subsequently my friend finally got the amp some months later. ?The amp had issues that I had worked on and at the time I was in contact with Hsu as he shipped me parts. ?Since that time I haven¡¯t heard from him. ?Far as I know after the split with his partner he hadn¡¯t done much with amps. ?I have to admit that he was very good at supplying parts needed to get that amp working again. ?

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On?Tuesday, June 25, 2019,?Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]??wrote:

?

Anybody seen or heard anything from our friend Hsu lately.

I sent him an email a few weeks ago and have heard nothing back from him.

73, Alek.
VK6APK.

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Hsu

 

Anybody seen or heard anything from our friend Hsu lately.

I sent him an email a few weeks ago and have heard nothing back from him.

73, Alek.
VK6APK.

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Family Businesses:
SP Electrical. www.spelectrical.net.au
The Velvet Fox.
Smart Design Electrical.
Perth Interiors.


Re: W6WRT SK

 

I talked with Bill a few times and even bought some of the stuff he no longer had the time for.
I hated to see he's gone.

There are fewer and fewer of the knowledgeable left and few with any knowledge joining.
I know we all had to start somewhere, but I still say my Novice exam required more theory than the present Extra exam.

73, Roger (K8RI)

On 6/21/2019 1:21 AM, Randy randy@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

Well, shit.

Another good one gone.

RIP Bill.

73

Randy

KZ4RV

On 6/20/2019 5:31 PM, jim.thom@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
??

Saw this on.... 'amps'...posted?? by?? Rob,?? K5UJ.??


"Saddened to see Bill Turner,?? W6WRT listed in July QST Silent Keys."



##?? Bill was a nice fellow, and provided some good insight + ideas / fixes on a lot of topics.??


Later...?? Jim?? ??VE7RF
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Re: W6WRT SK

 

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Well, shit.

Another good one gone.

RIP Bill.

73

Randy

KZ4RV

On 6/20/2019 5:31 PM, jim.thom@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

??

Saw this on.... 'amps'...posted?? by?? Rob,?? K5UJ.??


"Saddened to see Bill Turner,?? W6WRT listed in July QST Silent Keys."



##?? Bill was a nice fellow, and provided some good insight + ideas / fixes on a lot of topics.??


Later...?? Jim?? ??VE7RF


Re: W6WRT SK

 

I?m sorry to see this. Did have a number of
QSO?s with Bill.

RIP OM de Jim SM2EKM


Den 2019-06-20 kl. 23:31, skrev jim.thom@... [ham_amplifiers]:

Saw this on.... 'amps'...posted? by? Rob,? K5UJ.
"Saddened to see Bill Turner,? W6WRT listed in July QST Silent Keys."
##? Bill was a nice fellow, and provided some good insight + ideas / fixes on a lot of topics.
Later...? Jim? ?VE7RF


W6WRT SK

 

Saw this on.... 'amps'...posted? by? Rob,? K5UJ.?


"Saddened to see Bill Turner,? W6WRT listed in July QST Silent Keys."



##? Bill was a nice fellow, and provided some good insight + ideas / fixes on a lot of topics.?


Later...? Jim? ?VE7RF


Re: True RMS AC Ammeters ?

 

Trus? rms? voltmeters work really good with? ratty waveforms.? ?They will handle anything you throw at em...including? sawtooth, square waves, and loads of harmonics.??

True? rms? ac? ammeters, good ones, have? 1%? accuracy? > 100Amps.......and? 2% accuracy? for? <100 Amps.
I still have not heard? back? from Wilbac..who makes my various panel meters.?

Jim? ?VE7RF.? ??


Re: True RMS AC Ammeters ?

 

What precision do you want?
For what you probably want, I would think a true RMS volt meter of a known accuracy within a couple % and a known resistance should suffice as measuring the calibration, but.the problem with true RMS volt meters is how do they handle a not so clean wave form.

The problem with the moving vane current meters, as I understand it, is accuracy and I believe they are also the cheapest
I don't know where they stand as far as repeatability.
I use a 3KVA line conditioner that develops a clean and regulated, true sin wave for the 120 VAC stuff in the shack. (2 computers and two transceivers) They could be calibrated against a precision Power Supply or in series with a precision A meter using clean DC.
OTOH I don't remember any inexpensive way to measure how well they do against a ratty RMS wave form.
It's been a very long time since I did measurements traceable to the NBS
After 33 years I'm not sure if I can remember how I did all of that.

73, Roger (K8RI)

On 6/13/2019 9:52 AM, jim.thom@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:


<The garbage coming off the power line, as well as "in house" appliance
<generated trash doesn't give us much better.? The old Amp meters can
<give us effective amps based on heat and those don't care what the
<waveform looks like.

<73, Roger (K8RI)

##? apparently, the only type of? AC? AMMETER? ?that? indicates? true rms? current (regardless of? wave form)? is the Moving Iron type.? ? ?Dunno if my 3 x panel meters? are moving iron? type..or not.? I'll? try and dig up info from the meter? maker.

##? Mine all use a 5:1? current xfmr torrid....? ?with one conductor passing through the torroid? hole.
I use a 0-75A? for the? fil of the? 3cx3000a7.? ? ?And a? 0-100? A? ?for the fil of the 3x6? fil.? The 3rd is a 0-150A,
used for the pri of the plate xmfr.

## 2 wires? from current xfmr..... over to the respective panel meter.

##? I'll? test this all out.? ?Current on both? fi? xfmr? sec? are resistive of course.? ? Its the plate xfmr pri? ?I'm concerned about.

Jim? ?VERF


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The garbage coming off the power line, as well as "in house" appliance
generated trash doesn't give us much better.? The old Amp meters can
give us effective amps based on heat and those don't care what the
waveform looks like.

73, Roger (K8RI)

On 6/12/2019 9:46 AM, jim.thom@... <mailto:jim.thom@...>
[ham_amplifiers] wrote:
>
> ? If? you look? at the? distorted waveform coming out of the FWB,
> FWCT, FWD, it typ consists of high, peak pulsed? currents....
when a C
> filter is used.? ? Like 15-24A on peaks....and only? 1.5? to? 1.7
> msecs in duration? at the bottom....as? seen on a scope.? ?Same
deal
> on both the sec..and pri? of the? plate xfmr.
>
>
> To measure primary? AC current on the? plate xfmr, ?you really
require
> an? TRUE RMS? AC? Ammeter.? ? I hadn't? even thought of that
anomaly,
> when? installing a? 0-150A? panel mount? ? AC AMMETER.
>
>
> Did some research, and if using a NON rms ammeter on the primary
of a
> single phase plate xfmr...with a FWB / FWD / FWCT rectifier? and C
> filter, the non rms meter? can indicate as much as 40%? on the
low side !
>
>
> The plan is to compare the panel meter to a Fluke true rms clamp
on ac
> ammeter.
>
>
> Even with all that, you still have the issue of Power factor.
True rms
> ?Volts? X? true RMS? amps = True ?VA power, not true watts. One of
> the ham fellows sent me a pix of his? spectrum analyzer display,
> depicting the odd? harmonics of the? 60 hz input...of a plate
xfmr and
> FWB +? high? C? filter.? ?The? 3rd and also 5th (180 hz + 300 hz)
> harmonic is the worse, then the 7/9/11+? drops like a rock.? ? With
> full? wave rectification, the harmonics are always odd.? A half
wave
> rectifier produces only even ?harmonics.
>
>
> What? would be interesting is to measure peak AC current on the
pri.
> ?Then? compare to software results.
>
>
> Jim? ?VE7RF
>
>


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Re: True RMS AC Ammeters ?

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A thermocouple meter will measure true RMS regardless of the waveform. Old school stuff. ?


On Jun 12, 2019, at 9:46 AM, jim.thom@... [ham_amplifiers] <ham_amplifiers@...> wrote:

?

? If? you look? at the? distorted waveform coming out of the FWB, FWCT, FWD, it typ consists of high, peak pulsed? currents.... when a C filter is used.? ? Like? 15-24A on peaks....and only? 1.5? to? 1.7 msecs in duration? at the bottom....as? seen on a scope.? ?Same deal on both the sec..and pri? of the? plate xfmr.?


To measure primary? AC current on the? plate xfmr,? ?you really require an? TRUE RMS? AC? Ammeter.? ? I hadn't? even thought of that anomaly, when? installing a? 0-150A? panel mount? ? AC? AMMETER.? ?


Did some research, and if using a NON rms ammeter? on the primary of a? single phase plate xfmr...with a FWB / FWD /? FWCT rectifier? and C?? filter, the non rms meter? can indicate as much as 40%? on the low side !


The plan is to compare the panel meter to a Fluke true rms clamp on ac?ammeter.?


Even with all that, you still have the issue of Power factor. True rms??Volts? X? true RMS? amps?=?True??VA power,? not??true?watts.??One of the ham fellows sent me a pix of his? spectrum analyzer display, depicting the odd! ? harmonics of the? 60 hz input...of a plate xfmr and FWB +? high? C? filter.? ?The? 3rd and also 5th? (180 hz + 300 hz) harmonic is the worse, then the 7/9/11+? drops like a rock.? ? With? full? wave rectification, the harmonics are always odd.? A half wave rectifier produces only even??harmonics.?


What? would be interesting is to measure peak AC current on the pri.? ? ?Then? compare to software results.?


Jim? ?VE7RF


Re: True RMS AC Ammeters ?

 

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A few years back, on some FB group I belonged to at the time, I forget which, somebody posted a picture of a large industrial transformer, I'll guess it was maybe 10' square and 8' tall, I really don't remember, but YUGE compared to a residential pole pig. It was old, and had definite discoloration of the paint in some areas, not in others.

I didn't follow his point of posting, so I asked him why an old xfmr would discolor in some areas, not in others, and many years after installation. He said that, being in an industrial area, there were lots of machines using solid-state switching at high power levels, creating all sorts of transients and weird currents that the design of the old xfrm never anticipated.

Obviously, some of that garbage would escape back out into the neighborhood HV lines. And back into our homes. So, yeah, no. Not gonna be easy to get the RMS value of garbage.


73

Randy

KZ4RV

On 6/13/2019 4:10 AM, 'Roger (K8RI)' k8ri@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

??

The garbage coming off the power line, as well as "in house" appliance
generated trash doesn't give us much better.?? The old Amp meters can
give us effective amps based on heat and those don't care what the
waveform looks like.

73, Roger (K8RI)