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Re: Amp modification
I cut my teeth bringing an old Johnson Thunderbolt back from the grave.
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(2) 4-400A tetrodes in parallel....learned a lot. Key to that whole applicaiton is the neutralization....and the fact if the gains of the tubes are so far off theres not really a perfect way to neutralize, merely adjust the cap for "best effect" so there is no self osc, and max power out. I believe ALL the RF transmitting tubes on the market are now made in Chyna, and they always mass produce with sub-par materials from a "copied" sample to cut their expenses as much as possible. They seem to be also renumbering some tubes as "High performance", merely giving the same tube a different part number with higher price meanwhile theres no history of that part number tube or a datasheet. -- Steve Hearns [ KA2PTE ] Technotronic Dimensions, VT [USA] WWW.TECHNOTRONIC-DIMENSIONS.COM E-Mail: Steve@... ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Midgett via groups.io" <RobinK4IDC@...> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Amp modification Hi Billy, I'm not an amplifier guru. I've studied & repaired a few. There's a notion in the RF amplifier camp that says "if your amplifier needs more than one tube, you need a different design." I agree with that line of thinking. If you're going to make the leap from triode to tetrode at the 400 watt /tube dissipation level, consider the 4CX400 or Russian GS-36b. They can be had for ~$100 each. Look into the mods online for the AM-6154 / AM-6155 FAA amplifiers as a starting point. Thanks, Robin Midgett K4IDC On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 8:03?PM Billy Pickering via groups.io <pickeringw= [email protected]> wrote: Well, I was lucky enough to pick up a Henry Tempo 2006 that did not have |
Re: Amp modification
I would get the 3CX800 checked out and if good go with that. Socket is the same, filament voltage would need changed and maybe the bias. That should be it. Look at all the Alpha amps that have been changed from 400 to the 800 tubes. Must be a good reason.
On Saturday, December 28, 2024 at 10:21:49 AM EST, Robin Midgett via groups.io <robink4idc@...> wrote:
Hi Billy, I'm not an amplifier guru. I've studied & repaired a few. There's a notion in the RF amplifier camp that says "if your amplifier needs more than one tube, you need a different design." I agree with that line of thinking.? If you're going to make the leap from triode to tetrode at the 400 watt /tube?dissipation?level, consider the 4CX400 or Russian GS-36b. They can be had for ~$100 each. Look into the mods online for the AM-6154 / AM-6155 FAA amplifiers as a starting point. Thanks, Robin Midgett K4IDC On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 8:03?PM Billy Pickering via <pickeringw=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Amp modification
Hi Billy, I'm not an amplifier guru. I've studied & repaired a few. There's a notion in the RF amplifier camp that says "if your amplifier needs more than one tube, you need a different design." I agree with that line of thinking.? If you're going to make the leap from triode to tetrode at the 400 watt /tube?dissipation?level, consider the 4CX400 or Russian GS-36b. They can be had for ~$100 each. Look into the mods online for the AM-6154 / AM-6155 FAA amplifiers as a starting point. Thanks, Robin Midgett K4IDC On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 8:03?PM Billy Pickering via <pickeringw=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: TL-922 tube filament voltage.
You can buy many decent RMS multimeters like the Brymen BM857 that is a fully safety rated and protected meter that is much cheaper than the Fluke. There are others.? There is a Multimeter comparison Spreadsheet on the EEVBlog? forum.
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Fluke is manufacturing many of its products in China and sometimes even buying a genuine Fluke product you never be sure if you getting crap from China, its a crap shoot buying Fluke products with the many fake "from same factory" products on the market. now.? In some tests that I have seen even their fuses are crap and not the proper? multimeter rated fuses that are made in Europe. Sad to see such a good brand name going "cheap made in china"
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Amp modification
Well, I was lucky enough to pick up a Henry Tempo 2006 that did not have any tubes. Yes, 3CX400A7 tubes are expensive so we were looking into modifying it to run 2 or 3 4CX250B tubes instead. I know we need to have screen power for these tubes, and was wondering if anyone was currently making the GM3SEK tetrode control boards. I guess we could come up with something from scratch, but those boards are really nice.
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I guess if it really come down to it, we could modify to run the single 3CX800A7 we have, but not sure if the tube is any good as it was pulled from a commercial unit. |
Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
I located? a spare Johnson #247 socket (8877). Never been soldered on.? Make offer.. Dennis, w8nw On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:34?PM Kim Herron via <w8zv=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 06:34 PM, Kim Herron wrote:
###? ?If I remember correctly, the 1st DTR-2000L's had this mickey mouse fan in there for cooling.? Local dealer had the 1st one in stock.? ? We all laughed when we saw the small fan...that killed sales asap.? Later units had a squirrel cage blower.? Also, I believe the fil V was on the high side on both versions.? That high fil V issue has to be addressed asap, or ur 8877 won't last.? There was no grid over current protection either..... which can save the (megabuck tube).? There was no glitch resistor in the B+....and no step start for the B+.? This is all stuff that can be sorted out... and has to be sorted out asap.? ? The HV filter caps? should probably be replaced...with 330 uf caps, or bigger.? Once that is all done, it should last.? |
Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAh. OK. I have gold plated ones here that I got from Mableaudio
many years ago. I know that they do silver as well. I can add that the sockets have nice spring tension on the pins. That goes for the 3-500Z, 811A/572B and 807 types as well. Cheers, Alek. On 20/12/2024 6:00 am, mike repinski
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Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
Add says silver plated but yes very nice looking product.
On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 04:53:32 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:
Yep. Sure is. Superb quality. Gold plated contacts and all. Alek On 19/12/2024 8:09 pm, mike repinski
via groups.io wrote:
Is this socket a copy of the
Johnson socket with the same mounting hole locations? Mike
On Wednesday,
December 18, 2024 at 06:13:13 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via
groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:
Yes. Go for it. They are good. 73, Alek VK6APK. On
19/12/2024 1:34 am, Kim Herron wrote:
Sorry to be a pest guys!!
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I've become the proud owner of a Dentron
DTR-2000L amp with a broken tube socket and a
missing cooling fan.
This came from an estate and I'm sure that the SK
was not using this amp.?
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I could use a suggestion on a fan, as I
understand that the muffin fan was NOT a good choice
for a fan.
The other question is if any one here has had
experience with the Chinese sockets on E-Bay.?
Here's the auction number.
184967626094.?
$38.50 a great price, if the thing is any good.?
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Any thoughts would be appreciated!
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Thanks!!!
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Kim Herron W8ZV
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Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYep. Sure is. Superb quality. Gold plated contacts and all. Alek On 19/12/2024 8:09 pm, mike repinski
via groups.io wrote:
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Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
The porcelain part of the socket are cheap at hamfest, Johnson 273 I believe. ?It gets expensive with the copper grid tabs.
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On Thursday, December 19, 2024, 7:09 AM, mike repinski via groups.io <mikflathead@...> wrote:
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Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
Is this socket a copy of the Johnson socket with the same mounting hole locations? Mike
On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 06:13:13 PM EST, Alek Petkovic via groups.io <vk6apk@...> wrote:
Yes. Go for it. They are good. 73, Alek VK6APK. On 19/12/2024 1:34 am, Kim Herron
wrote:
Sorry to be a pest guys!!
?
I've become the proud owner of a Dentron DTR-2000L amp with a
broken tube socket and a missing cooling fan.
This came from an estate and I'm sure that the SK was not
using this amp.?
?
I could use a suggestion on a fan, as I understand that the
muffin fan was NOT a good choice for a fan.
The other question is if any one here has had experience with
the Chinese sockets on E-Bay.? Here's the auction number.
184967626094.?
$38.50 a great price, if the thing is any good.?
?
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
?
Thanks!!!
--
Kim Herron W8ZV
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Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
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Re: TL-922 tube filament voltage.
Kim Herron
Fluke 87's and 88's fall in to that class. Kim Herron W8ZV kim.herron@... 1-616-677-3706
On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 04:28:48 PM EST, Walter via groups.io <kr4hv@...> wrote:
The meter one uses for AC mains or any AC measurements should be a TRUE RMS reading meter to be accurate.? ? Many of the higher quality Fluke ?meters (read higher priced ones) are True RMS reading AC meters but not all Flukes are. ? There are other brands that are as well.? If they are the spec will say so. ? 73, ? Walter ? ? ? From: [email protected]
<[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob via groups.io
Sent: 18 December, 2024 8:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] TL-922 tube filament voltage. ? Lou, That's pretty lucky. I should check mine. The transformer for my house is on the pole at the street in front of my house ,about 100 feet away from the house. Bob W4JFA ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 5:22?AM Louis Parascondola via <Gudguyham=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
Kim Herron
I've heard that saying somewhat modified:? "A waist is a terrible thing to mind".? That's for? those of us who've had a couple cold 807's too many.? It's OK.? You're in good company.? Me done same ting. Kim Herron W8ZV kim.herron@... 1-616-677-3706
On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 04:12:24 PM EST, Mike Sawyer via groups.io <w3slk@...> wrote:
Yeah, ????????? Nothing like making a complete fool of yourself! I stand corrected. It was doing a google search and scanned at the specs of the DTR-1200L. ????????? A mind is a terrible thing when it is wasted! ? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y)/W3SLK ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kim Herron
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 3:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken ? According to the manual the DTR-2000L has one 3CX1500A7.? Are you thinking of the DTR-1000L? ? Kim Herron W8ZV kimherron@... 1-616-677-3706 ? ? On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 12:54:42 PM EST, Mike Sawyer via groups.io <w3slk@...> wrote: ? ? Excuse me for asking but I thought the DTR-2000L had 572B¡¯s and not an 8877? ? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y)/W3SLK ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kim Herron ? Sorry to be a pest guys!! ? I've become the proud owner of a Dentron DTR-2000L amp with a broken tube socket and a missing cooling fan. This came from an estate and I'm sure that the SK was not using this amp.? ? I could use a suggestion on a fan, as I understand that the muffin fan was NOT a good choice for a fan. The other question is if any one here has had experience with the Chinese sockets on E-Bay.? Here's the auction number. 184967626094.? $38.50 a great price, if the thing is any good.? ? Any thoughts would be appreciated! ? Thanks!!! -- Kim Herron W8ZV w8zv@... |
Re: TL-922 tube filament voltage.
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe meter one uses for AC mains or any AC measurements should be a TRUE RMS reading meter to be accurate.? ? Many of the higher quality Fluke ?meters (read higher priced ones) are True RMS reading AC meters but not all Flukes are. ? There are other brands that are as well.? If they are the spec will say so. ? 73, ? Walter ? ? ? From: [email protected]
<[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob via groups.io
Sent: 18 December, 2024 8:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] TL-922 tube filament voltage. ? Lou, That's pretty lucky. I should check mine. The transformer for my house is on the pole at the street in front of my house ,about 100 feet away from the house. Bob W4JFA ? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 5:22?AM Louis Parascondola via <Gudguyham=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Smoker contamination removal
When I worked at a office equipment repair department, we used simple green (a common cleaner here in the mid-west), to clean the copiers and fax machines with. sprayed it on and the smoke residue ran of in streams. The cases of the machines were made of plastic and cleaned up nicely. I would recommend you try it on a small out of the way spot first.
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Good luck,
N0NC
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Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYeah, ????????? Nothing like making a complete fool of yourself! I stand corrected. It was doing a google search and scanned at the specs of the DTR-1200L. ????????? A mind is a terrible thing when it is wasted! ? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y)/W3SLK ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kim Herron
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 3:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken ? According to the manual the DTR-2000L has one 3CX1500A7.? Are you thinking of the DTR-1000L? ? Kim Herron W8ZV kimherron@... 1-616-677-3706 ? ? On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 12:54:42 PM EST, Mike Sawyer via groups.io <w3slk@...> wrote: ? ? Excuse me for asking but I thought the DTR-2000L had 572B¡¯s and not an 8877? ? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y)/W3SLK ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kim Herron ? Sorry to be a pest guys!! ? I've become the proud owner of a Dentron DTR-2000L amp with a broken tube socket and a missing cooling fan. This came from an estate and I'm sure that the SK was not using this amp.? ? I could use a suggestion on a fan, as I understand that the muffin fan was NOT a good choice for a fan. The other question is if any one here has had experience with the Chinese sockets on E-Bay.? Here's the auction number. 184967626094.? $38.50 a great price, if the thing is any good.? ? Any thoughts would be appreciated! ? Thanks!!! -- Kim Herron W8ZV w8zv@... |
Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
Kim Herron
According to the manual the DTR-2000L has one 3CX1500A7.? Are you thinking of the DTR-1000L? Kim Herron W8ZV kim.herron@... 1-616-677-3706
On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 12:54:42 PM EST, Mike Sawyer via groups.io <w3slk@...> wrote:
Excuse me for asking but I thought the DTR-2000L had 572B¡¯s and not an 8877? ? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y)/W3SLK ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kim Herron ? Sorry to be a pest guys!! ? I've become the proud owner of a Dentron DTR-2000L amp with a broken tube socket and a missing cooling fan. This came from an estate and I'm sure that the SK was not using this amp.? ? I could use a suggestion on a fan, as I understand that the muffin fan was NOT a good choice for a fan. The other question is if any one here has had experience with the Chinese sockets on E-Bay.? Here's the auction number. 184967626094.? $38.50 a great price, if the thing is any good.? ? Any thoughts would be appreciated! ? Thanks!!! -- Kim Herron W8ZV w8zv@... |
Re: Tube socket for 3CX1500A7 tube-socket broken
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýExcuse me for asking but I thought the DTR-2000L had 572B¡¯s and not an 8877? ? Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y)/W3SLK ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kim Herron ? Sorry to be a pest guys!! ? I've become the proud owner of a Dentron DTR-2000L amp with a broken tube socket and a missing cooling fan. This came from an estate and I'm sure that the SK was not using this amp.? ? I could use a suggestion on a fan, as I understand that the muffin fan was NOT a good choice for a fan. The other question is if any one here has had experience with the Chinese sockets on E-Bay.? Here's the auction number. 184967626094.? $38.50 a great price, if the thing is any good.? ? Any thoughts would be appreciated! ? Thanks!!! -- Kim Herron W8ZV w8zv@... |