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Folks, ? I installed VM370/CE on my computer and was able log into system on Hercules emulator. ? I learned many things because it provides HELP facility with long list of commands.? I have a few questions here. ? How do I get to continue at ¡°MORE¡¡± displayed?? What key do I have to press to continue on my Vista TN3270 terminal app? ? How did I create minidisk? How do I add user accounts? ? I did learned how to use ACCESS and XLIST with HELP facility command. ? I think that they need to provide getting started guide manual comes with VM370 CE package.? Also, I can¡¯t find any ¡°getting started¡± manuals on VM370.org, etc. ? Look at MVS TK4- package comes with getting started manual. ? Thanks, Tim ?
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On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 01:48 PM, Timothy Stark wrote:
Folks,
I installed VM370/CE on my computer and was able log into system on Hercules
emulator.
I learned many things because it provides HELP facility with long list of
commands. I have a few questions here.
How do I get to continue at "MORE." displayed? What key do I have to press
to continue on my Vista TN3270 terminal app?
You press whatever it mapped to "PA2". Often "Page Down" but can be Alt+F2 or others How did I create minidisk? How do I add user accounts? You edit the user directory, and put it online with the DIRECT command but its non-trivial and requires knowledge of disk cylinder usage so I suggest using the CMSUSER account. It has multiple large mini disks. Not the sort of thing we would put in an introductory manual. Later systems usually have a tool called DIRMAINT but we don't have anything like this.
I did learned how to use ACCESS and XLIST with HELP facility command.
I think that they need to provide getting started guide manual comes with
VM370 CE package. Also, I can't find any "getting started" manuals on
VM370.org, etc.
Its on my to-do list but at 69 years old not sure it will be finished before my time here ends... ... for most general user tasks we expect the help to suffice. After all when delivered VM/370 had no help.
Look at MVS TK4- package comes with getting started manual.
It does but we are not MVSers. As a VMer I always refer to MVS as "Man Versus System" ..
Thanks,
Tim Dave
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On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 05:48 AM, Timothy Stark wrote:
I think that they need to provide getting started guide manual comes with VM370 CE package.? Also, I can¡¯t find any ¡°getting started¡± manuals on VM370.org, etc.
Take a look at this manual: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/370/VM_370/Release_6/GC20-1819-2_IBM_Virtual_Machine_Facility_370_CMS_Users_Guide_Rel_6_PLC_17_Apr81.pdf It is not exactly a getting started manual, but I found it very much worth reading. Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal P.S. -- Maybe you already know but, after the IPL of VM/370 CE, don't forget to enter /start at the Hercules console, to start your "real" unit record devices. Otherwise, you won't get anything printed or punched.
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On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 01:21 PM, Ren¨¦ Ferland wrote:
It is not exactly a getting started manual, but I found it very much worth reading.
Another "tutorial" can be found at: ?... Mark S.
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Dave Wade wrote: Timothy Stark wrote: [...] How do I get to continue at "MORE." displayed? What key
do I have to press to continue on my Vista TN3270 terminal
app? You press whatever it mapped to "PA2". Often "Page Down"
but can be Alt+F2 or others
I'm not sure what the default is, but I use Vista TN3270 too, and for me, it's mapped to the Page Up key. Page Down is PA1. Vista's user interface is very nice regarding keyboard mapping (Options --> Keyboard edit). To discover (query) which keyboard key is mapped to a particular action, simply select the Action (left side of dialog, where the "Action", "Edit", "Char", "Oper" and "Macro" tabs are), and click the "Find" button. Vista will then highlight the keyboard key that that action is currently assigned to (and show you the mapping in the center part of the dialog). If Vista doesn't highlight and key, then it's not assigned. To assign a specific keyboard key to an action, you basically do the opposite: you click the keyboard key you want to assign, and Vista shows you (again, in the center part of the dialog) what that particular keyboard key is mapped to. To change it to something else, select the new action on the left side ("Action" tab), and then click the appropriate button in the middle part of the dialog: "Normal", "Shift", "Ctl" or "Alt". Vista comes with a comprehensive Help file that explains how to use the product. I'm guessing however that you already know how to use Vista, but simply didn't know what keystroke that VM370/CE was expecting the user to press on their terminal. Right? As Dave said, it's usually the PA2 key (which, as I said, on my Vista is the Page Up key), although the Clear Screen key also works (which on my Vista is mapped to the Pause/Break key). Clear as mud, right? Welcome to VM! :) -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Usually "MORE.." just indicates that there is more information to be displayed, so you can either press
ENTER: to put the terminal into a "HOLD" state
Or press
CLEAR to clear the screen and go to the next page.
On most terminals PA1 would bring you to the underlying CP.
Most terminal emulators are very flexible in assigning keys.
The CMS Terminal Users Guide describes that nicely.
"The CLEAR key performs the same function as the PA2 key."
Current version:
Best regards
Mike
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Fish Fish Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2023 21:08 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [h390-vm] vm370 ce - "MORE..." and some questions - Where are getting started manuals?! Dave Wade wrote: Timothy Stark wrote: [...] How do I get to continue at "MORE." displayed? What key do I have
to press to continue on my Vista TN3270 terminal app? You press whatever it mapped to "PA2". Often "Page Down"
but can be Alt+F2 or others
I'm not sure what the default is, but I use Vista TN3270 too, and for me, it's mapped to the Page Up key. Page Down is PA1. Vista's user interface is very nice regarding keyboard mapping (Options --> Keyboard edit). To discover (query) which keyboard key is mapped to a particular action, simply select the Action (left side of dialog, where the "Action", "Edit", "Char", "Oper" and "Macro" tabs are), and click the "Find" button. Vista will then highlight the keyboard key that that action is currently assigned to (and show you the mapping in the center part of the dialog). If Vista doesn't highlight and key, then it's not assigned. To assign a specific keyboard key to an action, you basically do the opposite: you click the keyboard key you want to assign, and Vista shows you (again, in the center part of the dialog) what that particular keyboard key is mapped to. To change it to something else, select the new action on the left side ("Action" tab), and then click the appropriate button in the middle part of the dialog: "Normal", "Shift", "Ctl" or "Alt". Vista comes with a comprehensive Help file that explains how to use the product. I'm guessing however that you already know how to use Vista, but simply didn't know what keystroke that VM370/CE was expecting the user to press on their terminal. Right? As Dave said, it's usually the PA2 key (which, as I said, on my Vista is the Page Up key), although the Clear Screen key also works (which on my Vista is mapped to the Pause/Break key). Clear as mud, right? Welcome to VM! :) -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Beer
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2023 8:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] vm370 ce - "MORE..." and some questions - Where are
getting started manuals?!
Usually "MORE.." just indicates that there is more information to be displayed,
so you can either press
ENTER: to put the terminal into a "HOLD" state Or press CLEAR to clear the
screen and go to the next page.
On most terminals PA1 would bring you to the underlying CP.
Most terminal emulators are very flexible in assigning keys.
The CMS Terminal Users Guide describes that nicely.
"The CLEAR key performs the same function as the PA2 key." It does not in VM/370. "Clear" clears the entire screen, "PA2" only clears the output area. Anything typed in the input area is untouched... Current version:
40.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc0302a.nsf/pages/zVMV7R2sc246266/$file/
dmsb3_v7r2.pdf Probably not useful on VM/370
Best regards
Mike
Dave
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On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 07:48 AM, Timothy Stark wrote:
I installed VM370/CE on my computer and was able log into system on Hercules emulator.
It would help us, to help you, if we knew what OS you were running Hercules on, and what 3270 terminal emulator you are using. ?... Mark S.
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On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 07:48 AM, Timothy Stark wrote:
How did I create minidisk? How do I add user accounts?
I placed a file in this discussion group's Files area, (see earlier notice about USER DIRECT HELP). Read it, and if you have questions, feel free to ask me here, or privately. ?... Mark S.
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Timothy, You might want to look at the VM/CMS section of . It does talk about the options to get past "MORE" Chris -- <cjar1950@...> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 18 May 2023 08:48:11 -0400 "Timothy Stark" <fsword007@...> wrote: Folks,
I installed VM370/CE on my computer and was able log into system on Hercules
emulator.
I learned many things because it provides HELP facility with long list of
commands. I have a few questions here.
How do I get to continue at "MORE." displayed? What key do I have to press
to continue on my Vista TN3270 terminal app?
How did I create minidisk? How do I add user accounts?
I did learned how to use ACCESS and XLIST with HELP facility command.
I think that they need to provide getting started guide manual comes with
VM370 CE package. Also, I can't find any "getting started" manuals on
VM370.org, etc.
Look at MVS TK4- package comes with getting started manual.
Thanks,
Tim
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Mike Beer wrote: [...] The CMS Terminal Users Guide describes that nicely:
"The CLEAR key performs the same function as the PA2 key." Current version:
40.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc0302a.nsf/pages/zVMV7R2sc246266/$file/d
msb3_v7r2.pdf Interesting! Because that's actually wrong. The CLEAR key clears the *entire* screen, including the input and status areas too, thereby requiring the entire next screen to be rebuilt in its entirety, including the input and status areas too. PA2 on the other hand, simply causes a programmed attention interrupt to occur, thereby allowing VM to simply display the next screen of messages without touching the input or status areas (other than to change the status message to "RUNNING" instead of "MORE..."). The two functions are *not* the same. The end result is ultimately similar from the user's point of view (i.e. they both cause the next screen of messages to be displayed), but they are most definitely *not* identical in their functionality. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Dave Wade wrote: Mike Beer wrote: [...] The CMS Terminal Users Guide describes that nicely.
"The CLEAR key performs the same function as the PA2 key." It does not in VM/370. "Clear" clears the entire screen, "PA2" only
clears the output area. Anything typed in the input area is untouched...
Quite right. I guess I need to start reading *all* of peoples' replies before replying myself. I just posted a reply saying essentially the same thing (but as usual, not as concise). Sorry for the duplication folks. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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It would be helpful to at least have the bitsaver link to vmR6: on the community vM page
Tim,? I would grab all the manuals from that page.
I don't know what "OLTSEP" is.? ?I've never used it.
The other manuals will cover everything else.?
--more? /cls? ?is documented here? (pg 341)
Dave Wade wrote:
> Mike Beer wrote:
[...]
> > The CMS Terminal Users Guide describes that nicely.
> > "The CLEAR key performs the same function as the PA2 key."
>
> It does not in VM/370. "Clear" clears the entire screen, "PA2" only
> clears the output area. Anything typed in the input area is untouched...
Quite right.
I guess I need to start reading *all* of peoples' replies before replying myself. I just posted a reply saying essentially the same thing (but as usual, not as concise). Sorry for the duplication folks.
--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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Ren¨¦ Ferland
Mark A. Stevens