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Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #3750 开云体育 Folks, ? ? I have attempted to clean up the GCC help files and to that end have uploaded some modified files to the groups file section. ? /g/h390-vm/files/Help%20File%20Updates ? there are two copies, one as a zip archive of ASCII files, the other as a VMFPLC2 AWS tape. If you would like to have a look and let me know what you think. ? Dave ?
Mark A. Stevens All Messages By This Member #3751 On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 03:52 PM, Dave Wade wrote: there are two copies, one as a zip archive of ASCII files, the other as a VMFPLC2 AWS tape. If you would like to have a look and let me know what you think. I downloaded the help.aws, then uploaded it to my VM system. I found the reference to GCCLIB, but I'm not finding a reference to PDPCLIB in the following. FSVIEW GCC HELPCMD2 F ... 3.? The source code for the GCC compiler and runtime libraries is on the ??? GCCCMS userid disks. ? 4.? An alternate runtime library called GCCLIB is available for C programs. ??? This runtime library lets you code C programs that directly access CMS ??? system services.? Type HELP GCCLIB for more information. ? Ready; T=0.01/0.02 02:06:54 Confused. ?... Mark S.
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #3752 开云体育 Mark, Thanks for looking. Why are you confused. It’s a draft so it will have inconsistencies. GCC HELPCMD points to the help for both libraries. ? LIB fn?? specifies the runtime library with which the program is to be???????????? ?????????compiled.? GCC will link and access the appropriate disk containing?????? ?????????the C header files.? Two runtime libraries are available:???????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????GCCLIB? uses only "native" CMS functions for system services.? Using????? ?????????????????this library it is possible to write programs that may be???????? ?????????????????loaded into resident memory as extensions of the CMS nucleus.???? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????Ensure GCCLIB is in your list of GLOBAL TXTLIBs to run your?????? ?????????????????compiled progam.? Type HELP GCCLIB for more information.????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????PDPCLIB uses simulated OS functions for system services.????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????Ensure PDPCLIB is in your list of GLOBAL TXTLIBs to run your????? ?????????????????compiled progam. Type "HELP PDPCLIB" for more information.??????? ? Not really sure how to deal with this.? FSHELP combines both “HELP GCC” and “HELP GCC(MORE” so sometimes you get two references. 驰耻办… ? Dave ? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark A. Stevens via groups.io Sent: 16 December 2021 02:15 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Updated Help ? On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 03:52 PM, Dave Wade wrote: there are two copies, one as a zip archive of ASCII files, the other as a VMFPLC2 AWS tape. If you would like to have a look and let me know what you think. I downloaded the help.aws, then uploaded it to my VM system. I found the reference to GCCLIB, but I'm not finding a reference to PDPCLIB in the following. FSVIEW GCC HELPCMD2 F ... 3.? The source code for the GCC compiler and runtime libraries is on the ??? GCCCMS userid disks. ? 4.? An alternate runtime library called GCCLIB is available for C programs. ??? This runtime library lets you code C programs that directly access CMS ??? system services.? Type HELP GCCLIB for more information. ? Ready; T=0.01/0.02 02:06:54 Confused. ?... Mark S.
Mark A. Stevens All Messages By This Member #3755 On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 03:39 AM, Dave Wade wrote: Thanks for looking. Why are you confused. It’s a draft so it will have inconsistencies. GCC HELPCMD points to the help for both libraries. Thank you for putting this together. I've had more coffee, so maybe I'll be better at explaining. Neither GCC HELPCMD, nor GCC HELPCMD2 point to HELP PDPCLIB, as in does Note 4. I would suggest adding a Note 5 to do that. Another thing I noticed. and this might be because I've lived in *nix-land and IBM-land too long. In GCCLIB HELPCMD, under Notes: my two cents, less taxes; would be to indicate that a NULL is equivalent to x'00', just so people don't confuse it with void. ????? 7.? When writing a fixed-length binary file the buffer will be padded ????????? with NULLs if needed. ?... Mark S.
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #3785 开云体育 I have done minor updates to the recent files and created a few more help files for the likes of BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, PL360, PLC and PLI I also intend to add the manual for PL360. The are in the folder below as “helpfiles.aws” (vmfplc2) and “helpfiles.zip” (ascii zip) If any one does read them can they let me know about typos etc. ? Dave. ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: dave.g4ugm@... <dave.g4ugm@...> Sent: 15 December 2021 21:53 To: [email protected] Subject: Updated Help ? Folks, ? ? I have attempted to clean up the GCC help files and to that end have uploaded some modified files to the groups file section. ? /g/h390-vm/files/Help%20File%20Updates ? there are two copies, one as a zip archive of ASCII files, the other as a VMFPLC2 AWS tape. If you would like to have a look and let me know what you think. ? Dave ?
Brian McCullough All Messages By This Member #3790 On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 05:01:23PM -0000, Dave Wade wrote: I have done minor updates to the recent files and created a few more help files for the likes of BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, PL360, PLC and PLI Dave, I have done a quick skim through your nice work, and have a couple of nits for you. In cobol.helpcommand: "downloadedfrom". In fortran.helpcommand: "Then use the load and start to run the programs." Perhaps "Then use the load and start commands ..." ?? Under "filename," "it must haveh fixed". "NOPRint - Do not write a lising file." I will make some more time later in the month to further peruse these files. It's been a LONG time since I thought of PL/360! Brian
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #3791 Brian, Thanks. Proofreading your own work is so hard and I really appreciate you input. I am collecting errors and it will possibly be post-Christmas when I fix them, but I will. Dave toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian McCullough Sent: 20 December 2021 18:06 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Updated Help On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 05:01:23PM -0000, Dave Wade wrote: I have done minor updates to the recent files and created a few more help files for the likes of BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, PL360, PLC and PLI Dave, I have done a quick skim through your nice work, and have a couple of nits for you. In cobol.helpcommand: "downloadedfrom". In fortran.helpcommand: "Then use the load and start to run the programs." Perhaps "Then use the load and start commands ..." ?? Under "filename," "it must haveh fixed". "NOPRint - Do not write a lising file." I will make some more time later in the month to further peruse these files. It's been a LONG time since I thought of PL/360! Brian
Brian McCullough All Messages By This Member #3792 On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 06:27:06PM -0000, Dave Wade wrote: Brian, Hi Dave, Thanks. Proofreading your own work is so hard and I really appreciate you input. I know that too well. Even e-mail messages, where I think that I am paying attention, have errors appear after I have sent them! I am collecting errors and it will possibly be post-Christmas when I fix them, but I will. No rush. These are a big help already. Dave Brian
Mark A. Stevens All Messages By This Member #3893 On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 03:52 PM, Dave Wade wrote: I have attempted to clean up the GCC help files and to that end have uploaded some modified files to the groups file section. ? /g/h390-vm/files/Help%20File%20Updates ? there are two copies, one as a zip archive of ASCII files, the other as a VMFPLC2 AWS tape. If you would like to have a look and let me know what you think. I have read the GCC help files, and uploaded the suggested changes and the files updated with those changes. [xmas@vm370dev tapes]$ vmfplc2 scan 2022-01-06.GCC.HELP.UPDATE.het HHC02499I Hercules utility vmfplc2 - VM/CMS VMFPLC2/TAPE Utility - version 4.4.9999.0-SDL HHC01414I (C) Copyright 1999-2021 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others HHC01417I The SoftDevLabs version of Hercules HHC01415I Build date: Mar? 5 2021 at 16:26:42 HHC02637I Input tape format set to VMFPLC2 HHC02625I SCANNING... HHC02626I >>> GCC????? HELPCMD? A1 V 79??? 1922-01-06 11:24:00 recs?? 82 blks 9 HHC02626I >>> GCC????? HELPCMD2 A1 V 76??? 1922-01-06 11:30:00 recs?? 52 blks 5 HHC02626I >>> GCCLIB?? HELPCMD? A1 V 79??? 1922-01-06 11:41:00 recs? 177 blks 18 HHC02626I >>> GCCHELP? UPDATES? A1 V 80??? 1922-01-06 11:49:00 recs?? 53 blks 6 HHC02633I???? @TM HHC02633I???? @TM HHC02631I SCAN complete [xmas@vm370dev tapes]$ I can't seem to build an AWS tape file, but I can build an HET tape file. I only modified the VM files. If you want me to update the ASCII files, please let me know. /g/h390-vm/files/Help%20File%20Updates/2022-01-06.GCC.HELP.UPDATE.het ?... Mark S.
Fish Fish All Messages By This Member #3894 Mark A. Stevens wrote: [...] I can't seem to build an AWS tape file, but I can build an HET tape file. Eh? Why not? -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
Fish Fish All Messages By This Member #3895 Mark A. Stevens wrote: [...] I have read the GCC help files, and uploaded the suggested changes and the files updated with those changes. [...] HHC02637I Input tape format set to VMFPLC2 HHC02625I SCANNING... <snip> FYI: Since the tape you are creating is meant for VM/370 and not z/VM (true? yes?), you might want to create it in DUMP format instead. As far as I know, VM/370 cannot read VMFPLC2 formatted tapes. Refer to the -t option for more information. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #3897 toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Fish Fish Sent: 06 January 2022 23:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Updated Help Mark A. Stevens wrote: [...] I have read the GCC help files, and uploaded the suggested changes and the files updated with those changes. [...] HHC02637I Input tape format set to VMFPLC2 HHC02625I SCANNING... <snip> FYI: Since the tape you are creating is meant for VM/370 and not z/VM (true? yes?), you might want to create it in DUMP format instead. As far as I know, VM/370 cannot read VMFPLC2 formatted tapes. Refer to the -t option for more information. Oh yes it can... -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
Fish Fish All Messages By This Member #3899 Dave Wade wrote: Fish wrote: [...] As far as I know, VM/370 cannot read VMFPLC2 formatted tapes. [...] Oh yes it can... Wow! Really? I didn't know that. COOL! Thanks! :) -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
Mark A. Stevens All Messages By This Member #3900 On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 04:59 PM, Fish Fish wrote: FYI: Since the tape you are creating is meant for VM/370 and not z/VM (true? yes?), you might want to create it in DUMP format instead. As far as I know, VM/370 cannot read VMFPLC2 formatted tapes. Refer to the -t option for more information. The output from the earlier message, is from the vmfplc2 program on my Linux system, [xmas@vm370dev tapes]$ vmfplc2 scan 2022-01-06.GCC.HELP.UPDATE.het ?it is reading the tape file created by VMFPLC2 on my VM/370 CE system. ?... Mark S.
Mark A. Stevens All Messages By This Member #3901 On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 04:51 PM, Fish Fish wrote: I can't seem to build an AWS tape file, but I can build an HET tape file. Eh? Why not? I am not real sure. I need to play with DEVINIT and creating .aws and .het? files.? It seems that a new .aws file is created, then writing data to the .aws, rewinding and scanning it, there is nothing there, while similar commands using a .het file, this is not a problem. I need to ensure I am following the same procedure, and getting the necessary log files. Most likely, the problem is me. ?... Mark S.
Fish Fish All Messages By This Member #3902 Mark A. Stevens wrote: Fish wrote: FYI: Since the tape you are creating is meant for VM/370 and not z/VM (true? yes?), you might want to create it in DUMP format instead. As far as I know, VM/370 cannot read VMFPLC2 formatted tapes. Refer to the -t option for more information. The output from the earlier message, is from the vmfplc2 program on my Linux system, [...] it is reading the tape file created by VMFPLC2 on my VM/370 CE system. Yeah, Dave already indirectly informed me that VM/370 CE apparently now supports VMFPLC2 too. I wasn't aware of that. I guess I'm behind the times. Sorry. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
Fish Fish All Messages By This Member #3903 Mark A. Stevens wrote: Fish wrote: Mark A. Stevens wrote: I can't seem to build an AWS tape file, but I can build an HET tape file. Eh? Why not? I am not real sure. I need to play with DEVINIT and creating .aws and .het files. It seems that a new .aws file is created, then writing data to the .aws, rewinding and scanning it, there is nothing there, while similar commands using a .het file, this is not a problem. I need to ensure I am following the same procedure, and getting the necessary log files. How was the tape file that you're DEVINIT'ing created? Because if you just did a default "hetinit" to create it (without the -d option), the default is to create it in compressed .het file format, regardless of whatever file extension you may have specified for the output file. That is to say, when you do: hetinit fishtest.aws 000001 The file "fishtest.aws" that ends up being created is ACTUALLY a compressed ".het" format tape file, not an uncompressed .aws format tape file. (The format that the tape file is created in is NOT determined by the file extension that is specified in your output filename. It is determined by whether the -d option is specified or not.) To create a regular uncompressed .aws format tape file, you need to specify the -d option: hetinit -d fishtest.aws 000001 And of course you can also do: hetinit -d fishtest.het 000001 to cause even more confusion, since file "fishtest.het" will end up being created in uncompressed .aws file format! Just like dasdinit can create regular uncompressed CKD dasd image files as well as compressed CCKD dasd image files (each of which you can give whatever the heck illogical/confusing output filename.extension you want to give to them), the same is true of hetinit too. So you need to be careful how you create your tape files. Whatever format they're created in, that's the format they STAY in. I don't know why your writing to a (presumably) .aws format tape file fails to write anything. That is very weird. Unless maybe it has to do with the vmfplc2 program you are using on VM/370 CE? Maybe is has a bug? <shrug> Because there is no rhyme or reason why Hercules would refuse to honor a guest's request to write data to a mounted .aws format tape file but allow doing so to a .het format tape file. That doesn't make any sense at all! -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #3904 toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Fish Fish Sent: 07 January 2022 03:03 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Updated Help Mark A. Stevens wrote: Fish wrote: FYI: Since the tape you are creating is meant for VM/370 and not z/VM (true? yes?), you might want to create it in DUMP format instead. As far as I know, VM/370 cannot read VMFPLC2 formatted tapes. Refer to the -t option for more information. The output from the earlier message, is from the vmfplc2 program on my Linux system, [...] it is reading the tape file created by VMFPLC2 on my VM/370 CE system. Yeah, Dave already indirectly informed me that VM/370 CE apparently now supports VMFPLC2 too. I wasn't aware of that. I guess I'm behind the times. Sorry. The n-pack released by Bob Abeles has always had a VMFPLC2 but it doesn't always play well with very recent versions. It does seem to work fine with the VMFPLC2 included with Hercules. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@... Dave
Mark A. Stevens All Messages By This Member #3912 On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 11:01 AM, Dave Wade wrote: I have done minor updates to the recent files and created a few more help files for the likes of BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, PL360, PLC and PLI I also intend to add the manual for PL360. The are in the folder below as “helpfiles.aws” (vmfplc2) and “helpfiles.zip” (ascii zip) If any one does read them can they let me know about typos etc. Dave, I reviewed all but the GCC related help files, making changes to try to make them all more like VM/370 help files. /g/h390-vm/files/Help%20File%20Updates/2022-01-07.HELP.FILES.UPDATED.het vmfplc2 rew Ready; T=0.01/0.01 20:52:32 vmfplc2 scan ?SCANNING.... ?HELP???? UPDATES? A1 ?WATFIV?? HELPCMD? A1 ?BASIC??? HELPCMD? A1 ?COBOL??? HELPCMD? A1 ?EXECUTIL HELPCMD? A1 ?FORTH??? HELPCMD? A1 ?FORTRAN? HELPCMD? A1 ?FORTRANG HELPCMD? A1 ?FORTRANH HELPCMD? A1 ?PASCAL?? HELPCMD? A1 ?PASCOMP? HELPCMD? A1 ?PASC370? HELPCMD? A1 ?PASLINK? HELPCMD? A1 ?PLCT???? HELPCMD? A1 ?PLI????? HELPCMD? A1 ?PL360??? HELPCMD? A1 ?END-OF-FILE OR END-OF-TAPE Ready; T=0.01/0.01 20:52:36 HELP UPDATES is XCOMPARE output from your version to mine. I Hope This Helps. ?... Mark S.
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #3913 开云体育 Thanks Mark I’ll have a look at these. Perhaps we should store them in GITHUB then we could see and review changes.. Dave ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark A. Stevens via groups.io Sent: 08 January 2022 03:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Updated Help ? On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 11:01 AM, Dave Wade wrote: I have done minor updates to the recent files and created a few more help files for the likes of BASIC, COBOL, FORTRAN, PL360, PLC and PLI I also intend to add the manual for PL360. The are in the folder below as “helpfiles.aws” (vmfplc2) and “helpfiles.zip” (ascii zip) If any one does read them can they let me know about typos etc. Dave, I reviewed all but the GCC related help files, making changes to try to make them all more like VM/370 help files. /g/h390-vm/files/Help%20File%20Updates/2022-01-07.HELP.FILES.UPDATED.het vmfplc2 rew Ready; T=0.01/0.01 20:52:32 vmfplc2 scan ?SCANNING.... ?HELP???? UPDATES? A1 ?WATFIV?? HELPCMD? A1 ?BASIC??? HELPCMD? A1 ?COBOL??? HELPCMD? A1 ?EXECUTIL HELPCMD? A1 ?FORTH??? HELPCMD? A1 ?FORTRAN? HELPCMD? A1 ?FORTRANG HELPCMD? A1 ?FORTRANH HELPCMD? A1 ?PASCAL?? HELPCMD? A1 ?PASCOMP? HELPCMD? A1 ?PASC370? HELPCMD? A1 ?PASLINK? HELPCMD? A1 ?PLCT???? HELPCMD? A1 ?PLI????? HELPCMD? A1 ?PL360??? HELPCMD? A1 ?END-OF-FILE OR END-OF-TAPE Ready; T=0.01/0.01 20:52:36 HELP UPDATES is XCOMPARE output from your version to mine. I Hope This Helps. ?... Mark S.

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