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OT, mail issues, was Re: [h390-vm] memset help

 

On 4/15/20 2:07 PM, Peter Coghlan wrote:
(By the way, I replied to your recent "Inquiring minds" email but I fear you
may not have seen my reply as Google tends to route anything I send these days
into their recipients spam folder or otherwise quarantine it. Apparantly
Google regards me as a notorious source of spam or something for some time now.
I also sent emails to other Google mail users both on the this list not and
these also seem to have disappeared into black holes...)
I am noticing this to an increasing degree as well. My assumption is
that Google, having spent years pushing "free" email services while
making money on the back end by using the information they mine from it,
are now trying to push yet more people to use gmail accounts.

My mail server predates the very existence of Google as a company by
many years, and has only been use as a spam relay once, a decade ago,
for not quite a day, until I noticed that one of my hundred-or-so users
passwords had been cracked. The only reason I can see for email
originating from my server to be considered spam by Google is that it
comes from a non-gmail server.

This is just my assumption; I have no evidence to suggest that this is
why this is happening, it but it is the only explanation that I've been
able to come up with for this widespread and rapidly growing problem.

This is what happens when people take the lazy or cheap route and get
a "free" email account from a for-profit corporation. Google
occasionally does good things for society, but they are not a charity.
As many have said, and almost nobody actually pays attention to: If you
receive value from a corporation for free, you are the product.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
 

Does your email server implement?SPF, DKIM and DMARC?

A
 

Dave,

I don't think I have never seen anything from you marked as "Junk". Some providers don't like groups.io so it might not be you.
I really find most SPAM filters unbelievably bad and I used to manage some very expensive ones.
They allow some utter garbage through whilst often blocking good e-mails.
Why can't they block "PayPal account restricted" messages that have not been anywhere near PayPal.
I can do a much better job than most filters just by looking at from/subject...
I am sure much I get is from having a Taj hotels loyalty card.
As I am sure you know your servers and domains are clean on

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave
McGuire
Sent: 15 April 2020 21:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: OT, mail issues, was Re: [h390-vm] memset help

On 4/15/20 2:07 PM, Peter Coghlan wrote:
(By the way, I replied to your recent "Inquiring minds" email but I
fear you may not have seen my reply as Google tends to route anything
I send these days into their recipients spam folder or otherwise
quarantine it. Apparantly Google regards me as a notorious source of spam
or something for some time now.
I also sent emails to other Google mail users both on the this list
not and these also seem to have disappeared into black holes...)
I am noticing this to an increasing degree as well. My assumption is that
Google, having spent years pushing "free" email services while making
money on the back end by using the information they mine from it, are now
trying to push yet more people to use gmail accounts.

My mail server predates the very existence of Google as a company by
many years, and has only been use as a spam relay once, a decade ago, for
not quite a day, until I noticed that one of my hundred-or-so users
passwords had been cracked. The only reason I can see for email originating
from my server to be considered spam by Google is that it comes from a non-
gmail server.

This is just my assumption; I have no evidence to suggest that this is why
this is happening, it but it is the only explanation that I've been able to come
up with for this widespread and rapidly growing problem.

This is what happens when people take the lazy or cheap route and get a
"free" email account from a for-profit corporation. Google occasionally does
good things for society, but they are not a charity.
As many have said, and almost nobody actually pays attention to: If you
receive value from a corporation for free, you are the product.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
 


Does your email server implement?SPF, DKIM and DMARC?
Mine?

Yes, no and no.

I'm pretty sure I haven't suffered from any instances of spam runs
sent out with my domain name forged as the source address although
I am not sure I can believe that the spammers are smart enough to
have checked for the existance of SPF and decided that this would
make it not a worthwhile thing to do. I really only have it so
that if this did happen, the recipients would have an opportunity
to identify what they are receiving as forged and unauthorised.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
 

On 4/15/20 5:21 PM, adriansutherland67 wrote:
Does your email server implement?SPF, DKIM and DMARC?
Yes, no, and yes. I ran DKIM until about two weeks ago, and I'll be
starting it up again soon.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
 

I've never seen a commercial spam filter that was worth a damn,
honestly. But that goes for most commercial software.

The big issue with spam is the combination of sleazy people and
clueless people. Over the past fifteen years or so, spam has started to
look more and more like real email, and real email has started to look
more and more like spam. As someone who has managed large mail
installations in the past, I can say that keeping ahead of it is
essentially impossible, and in a large installation requires quite
literally daily tweaks. On my mail server here with about ~110 users,
the tweaks are about every 3-4 days. It's a pain in the ass.

Oh, and the issues I'm having with gmail aren't for messages sent from
groups.io's mail servers, but from mail.neurotica.com.

-Dave

On 4/15/20 5:59 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
I don't think I have never seen anything from you marked as "Junk". Some providers don't like groups.io so it might not be you.
I really find most SPAM filters unbelievably bad and I used to manage some very expensive ones.
They allow some utter garbage through whilst often blocking good e-mails.
Why can't they block "PayPal account restricted" messages that have not been anywhere near PayPal.
I can do a much better job than most filters just by looking at from/subject...
I am sure much I get is from having a Taj hotels loyalty card.
As I am sure you know your servers and domains are clean on

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave
McGuire
Sent: 15 April 2020 21:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: OT, mail issues, was Re: [h390-vm] memset help

On 4/15/20 2:07 PM, Peter Coghlan wrote:
(By the way, I replied to your recent "Inquiring minds" email but I
fear you may not have seen my reply as Google tends to route anything
I send these days into their recipients spam folder or otherwise
quarantine it. Apparantly Google regards me as a notorious source of spam
or something for some time now.
I also sent emails to other Google mail users both on the this list
not and these also seem to have disappeared into black holes...)
I am noticing this to an increasing degree as well. My assumption is that
Google, having spent years pushing "free" email services while making
money on the back end by using the information they mine from it, are now
trying to push yet more people to use gmail accounts.

My mail server predates the very existence of Google as a company by
many years, and has only been use as a spam relay once, a decade ago, for
not quite a day, until I noticed that one of my hundred-or-so users
passwords had been cracked. The only reason I can see for email originating
from my server to be considered spam by Google is that it comes from a non-
gmail server.

This is just my assumption; I have no evidence to suggest that this is why
this is happening, it but it is the only explanation that I've been able to come
up with for this widespread and rapidly growing problem.

This is what happens when people take the lazy or cheap route and get a
"free" email account from a for-profit corporation. Google occasionally does
good things for society, but they are not a charity.
As many have said, and almost nobody actually pays attention to: If you
receive value from a corporation for free, you are the product.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA




--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
 

On 4/15/20 3:21 PM, adriansutherland67 wrote:
Does your email server implement?SPF, DKIM and DMARC?
Yes, yes, and yes.

Along with other things.



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