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Hercules and Window 10


 

I have tried for days to install the public available OS for VM/370 and some version of DOSVSE.
Question #1 -Does or will this run on Window 10
Question #2 - where can I get a install and documentation that works
Question #3 - After I install all requirements and initialize disk for t VM/370 install, IPL the tape, Type in the commands I get a loop? and I cannot dump down the disk.??

Can someone answer these questions and point me to an install package that works on Window 10 under a version (?0 of Hercules


 

Hello!
You're going have to give us more information. Starting with how did
you install Hercules itself. And even what is the emulator presenting
to you. Screenshots are allowed. Also there are two distinctive
examples of VM/370 available. One is the original Two disk system. I
have set it up using an older release of Hercules. The other is the
better at it SixPack of which there is a known working one and a
current Beta of.

I normally run mine via WIndows 10's WSL, for which I've installed a
copy of SuSe SLES12SP3 and built a copy of Hercules for. DOS/VS I
only know of from a sister list, and also from reading innumerable
books covering the OS.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:51 PM <JPAULHAWK@...> wrote:

I have tried for days to install the public available OS for VM/370 and some version of DOSVSE.
Question #1 -Does or will this run on Window 10
Question #2 - where can I get a install and documentation that works
Question #3 - After I install all requirements and initialize disk for t VM/370 install, IPL the tape, Type in the commands I get a loop and I cannot dump down the disk.

Can someone answer these questions and point me to an install package that works on Window 10 under a version (?0 of Hercules
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1. Yes it runs on Windows 10 - Get the latest stable release here:?

2. Try Dave's page:?
? ? The Sixpack version 1.2 is probably what you?are looking for

3. The VM/370 distro above is already configured and ready to run

Joe


On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:51 PM <JPAULHAWK@...> wrote:
I have tried for days to install the public available OS for VM/370 and some version of DOSVSE.
Question #1 -Does or will this run on Window 10
Question #2 - where can I get a install and documentation that works
Question #3 - After I install all requirements and initialize disk for t VM/370 install, IPL the tape, Type in the commands I get a loop? and I cannot dump down the disk.??

Can someone answer these questions and point me to an install package that works on Window 10 under a version (?0 of Hercules


 

Please take a look at YouTube(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rimOpAjG3tU).? Professor Rene Ferland does an excellent job at describing how to install and operate.? He starts at 2:51.


 

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If you're using one of the VM/370 distributions (I? think it was the Bob Abeles one)
there is a known issue during installation where it just loops instead of completing,
but it has actually done the work, and if you re-ipl and continue it's fine.
I would personally recommend the sixpack, either 1.2, or the "beta" 1.3 which is actually fairly stable.
You may realise already but you can run Hercules direct under Windows without WSL if you prefer,
either from pre-built binaries for an easy install, or from source.
If you install under Linux many recent distros include Hercules 3.13 as an optional package.
If you want Hercules 4 (Hyperion) on Linux you will need to build from source,
either from the link Joe Monk gave, or the SDL Hyperion Hercules version (just google it),
but be prepared to sort out the package dependencies.


 

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Unless you are experienced and want a really vanilla VM/370 I would be recommend taking one of the builds with some installed software rather than installing the Bob Abeles original files.

It really is very basic, no mods to the Editor and its missing a pile of commands that most folks think of as being ¡°normal¡± VM commands.

If you are determined, you can avoid the loop by adding ¡°LEAVE¡± to the ¡°INPUT¡± statements. On the DDR restore.

?

Dave

G4UGM

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of eddy_balem@...
Sent: 06 June 2020 15:55
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10

?

If you're using one of the VM/370 distributions (I? think it was the Bob Abeles one)

there is a known issue during installation where it just loops instead of completing,

but it has actually done the work, and if you re-ipl and continue it's fine.

I would personally recommend the sixpack, either 1.2, or the "beta" 1.3 which is actually fairly stable.

You may realise already but you can run Hercules direct under Windows without WSL if you prefer,

either from pre-built binaries for an easy install, or from source.

If you install under Linux many recent distros include Hercules 3.13 as an optional package.

If you want Hercules 4 (Hyperion) on Linux you will need to build from source,

either from the link Joe Monk gave, or the SDL Hyperion Hercules version (just google it),

but be prepared to sort out the package dependencies.


 

Well i followed Professor Rene Ferland youtube vidio.? He does an excellent job at describing how to install and operate.? However I can not seem to get the VM/370 logon screen to appear.? ?Not sure how to get to a normal VM logon screen.? I am doing this in two parts.? First part is to bring up just VM and test.? Second part is DOS/VS.? Currently I am stuck on the first part.? Screens are attached.? Thanks for all the help so far.? I am really close.


 

In wc3270, type "open 127.0.0.1 3270"?

Then hit CLEAR key

Joe


On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 2:52 PM <JPAULHAWK@...> wrote:
Well i followed Professor Rene Ferland youtube vidio.? He does an excellent job at describing how to install and operate.? However I can not seem to get the VM/370 logon screen to appear.? ?Not sure how to get to a normal VM logon screen.? I am doing this in two parts.? First part is to bring up just VM and test.? Second part is DOS/VS.? Currently I am stuck on the first part.? Screens are attached.? Thanks for all the help so far.? I am really close.


 

Joe - thanks for the quick reply

The command was rejected by the host machine

Screen image attached


 

I¡¯m not positive, but you may have to use a colon as in wc3270 127.0.0.1:3270

Good luck,
Dennis




On Saturday, June 6, 2020, 4:36 PM, JPAULHAWK@... wrote:

Joe - thanks for the quick reply

The command was rejected by the host machine

Screen image attached


 

Think I go it.

1. Start Hercules f- vm370.cnf
2 ipl 141
3 start all?
4 enable all
click on VISTA emulator
defined as a localhost with port 3270

Now I need information on the maint machine user id and password


 

actually its -port

wc3270 open 127.0.0.1 -port 3270

Joe

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:46 PM Walter Eggmo via <waltereggmo=[email protected]> wrote:
I¡¯m not positive, but you may have to use a colon as in wc3270

Good luck,
Dennis




On Saturday, June 6, 2020, 4:36 PM, JPAULHAWK@... wrote:

Joe - thanks for the quick reply

The command was rejected by the host machine

Screen image attached


 

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Just download the six-pack and rub the batch script.

?

dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Monk
Sent: 06 June 2020 22:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10

?

actually its -port

?

wc3270 open 127.0.0.1 -port 3270

?

Joe

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On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 3:46 PM Walter Eggmo via <waltereggmo=[email protected]> wrote:

I¡¯m not positive, but you may have to use a colon as in wc3270

?

Good luck,

Dennis



On Saturday, June 6, 2020, 4:36 PM, JPAULHAWK@... wrote:

Joe - thanks for the quick reply

The command was rejected by the host machine

Screen image attached


 

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David


any idea on the password for Maint


Regards


Joseph M. Paul
Phone: 603 239 4834
Email: jpaulhawk@...




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 8:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10
?

Unless you are experienced and want a really vanilla VM/370 I would be recommend taking one of the builds with some installed software rather than installing the Bob Abeles original files.

It really is very basic, no mods to the Editor and its missing a pile of commands that most folks think of as being ¡°normal¡± VM commands.

If you are determined, you can avoid the loop by adding ¡°LEAVE¡± to the ¡°INPUT¡± statements. On the DDR restore.

?

Dave

G4UGM

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of eddy_balem@...
Sent: 06 June 2020 15:55
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10

?

If you're using one of the VM/370 distributions (I? think it was the Bob Abeles one)

there is a known issue during installation where it just loops instead of completing,

but it has actually done the work, and if you re-ipl and continue it's fine.

I would personally recommend the sixpack, either 1.2, or the "beta" 1.3 which is actually fairly stable.

You may realise already but you can run Hercules direct under Windows without WSL if you prefer,

either from pre-built binaries for an easy install, or from source.

If you install under Linux many recent distros include Hercules 3.13 as an optional package.

If you want Hercules 4 (Hyperion) on Linux you will need to build from source,

either from the link Joe Monk gave, or the SDL Hyperion Hercules version (just google it),

but be prepared to sort out the package dependencies.


 

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Same as ever

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CPCMS

?

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joseph Paul
Sent: 06 June 2020 22:22
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10

?

David

?

any idea on the password for Maint

?

Regards


Joseph M. Paul
Phone: 603 239 4834
Email: jpaulhawk@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 8:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10

?

Unless you are experienced and want a really vanilla VM/370 I would be recommend taking one of the builds with some installed software rather than installing the Bob Abeles original files.

It really is very basic, no mods to the Editor and its missing a pile of commands that most folks think of as being ¡°normal¡± VM commands.

If you are determined, you can avoid the loop by adding ¡°LEAVE¡± to the ¡°INPUT¡± statements. On the DDR restore.

?

Dave

G4UGM

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of eddy_balem@...
Sent: 06 June 2020 15:55
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10

?

If you're using one of the VM/370 distributions (I? think it was the Bob Abeles one)

there is a known issue during installation where it just loops instead of completing,

but it has actually done the work, and if you re-ipl and continue it's fine.

I would personally recommend the sixpack, either 1.2, or the "beta" 1.3 which is actually fairly stable.

You may realise already but you can run Hercules direct under Windows without WSL if you prefer,

either from pre-built binaries for an easy install, or from source.

If you install under Linux many recent distros include Hercules 3.13 as an optional package.

If you want Hercules 4 (Hyperion) on Linux you will need to build from source,

either from the link Joe Monk gave, or the SDL Hyperion Hercules version (just google it),

but be prepared to sort out the package dependencies.


 

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Make sure you shut it down properly.

?

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On the operator/hercules console

?

Dave

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joseph Paul
Sent: 06 June 2020 22:22
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10

?

David

?

any idea on the password for Maint

?

Regards


Joseph M. Paul
Phone: 603 239 4834
Email: jpaulhawk@...

?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 8:09 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10

?

Unless you are experienced and want a really vanilla VM/370 I would be recommend taking one of the builds with some installed software rather than installing the Bob Abeles original files.

It really is very basic, no mods to the Editor and its missing a pile of commands that most folks think of as being ¡°normal¡± VM commands.

If you are determined, you can avoid the loop by adding ¡°LEAVE¡± to the ¡°INPUT¡± statements. On the DDR restore.

?

Dave

G4UGM

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of eddy_balem@...
Sent: 06 June 2020 15:55
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Hercules and Window 10

?

If you're using one of the VM/370 distributions (I? think it was the Bob Abeles one)

there is a known issue during installation where it just loops instead of completing,

but it has actually done the work, and if you re-ipl and continue it's fine.

I would personally recommend the sixpack, either 1.2, or the "beta" 1.3 which is actually fairly stable.

You may realise already but you can run Hercules direct under Windows without WSL if you prefer,

either from pre-built binaries for an easy install, or from source.

If you install under Linux many recent distros include Hercules 3.13 as an optional package.

If you want Hercules 4 (Hyperion) on Linux you will need to build from source,

either from the link Joe Monk gave, or the SDL Hyperion Hercules version (just google it),

but be prepared to sort out the package dependencies.


Jim Kirwan
 

Does localhost work?

Jim K

Billions of electrons used to send this msg. No neutrinos were harmed.?

On?Saturday, June 6, 2020,?Walter Eggmo via groups.io?<waltereggmo@...>?wrote:

I¡¯m not positive, but you may have to use a colon as in wc3270 127.0.0.1:3270

Good luck,
Dennis




On Saturday, June 6, 2020, 4:36 PM, JPAULHAWK@... wrote:

Joe - thanks for the quick reply

The command was rejected by the host machine

Screen image attached


Joseph Paul
 

Are there any other product that can be installed on the Hercules / VM/370 configuration?

Cobol compiler would be nice

Part 2 of project is DOS/VSE
Is iccf available?
is ASI auto ipl available?
is Cobol compiler available?


 

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 06:43 PM, Joseph Paul wrote:
Are there any other product that can be installed on the Hercules / VM/370 configuration?
Cobol compiler would be nice
There is a COBOL compiler on VM/370.


Part 2 of project is DOS/VSE
Is iccf available?
is ASI auto ipl available?
is Cobol compiler available?
Answers: no, no, and yes (on DOS/VS).

Rene FERLAND, Montreal


 



On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:43 PM Joseph Paul <JPAULHAWK@...> wrote:
Is ICCF available?

"Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time."

I last touched it in ~ 1984.