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HELP vsus FSHELP

 

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Gentles,

? I am starting to get cross. Not with any of you of course, but with the HELP command. When using SP5 on the Living Computer Museum machine, HELP automatically works in Fullscreen mode unless “(NOSCREEN” is specified.

Should ours work in the same way?

Dave

G4UGM
 

Hi Dave,

VM/SP has the XEDIT based screen manager to display full screen help.?

I am not aware if a facility like that exactly, but I did fixup an old SAS full screen interface from VM/ 370 that could be used for this. I don't recall the state of the doc (if there is any), but the code is in the files area under boogie-tool. It needs a BREXX fix, which is part of the next VM370CE release. Please look over that set of files, and if you think this could be a suitable interface, we could work up the programmer documentation and try to build a HELP full screen system.?

Bob

On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 12:29 PM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

Gentles,

? I am starting to get cross. Not with any of you of course, but with the HELP command. When using SP5 on the Living Computer Museum machine, HELP automatically works in Fullscreen mode unless “(NOSCREEN” is specified.

Should ours work in the same way?

Dave

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Bob,

Ooops I didn’t explain that very well. VM/CE comes with an FSHELP package from MECAFF so no extra code needed….

… I think think the following patch to HELP EXEC might work…

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&CONTROL OFF NOMSG????????????????????

STATE FSQERY MODULE *?????????????????

&IF &RETCODE NE 0 &GOTO -LM???????????

???????????????????????????????????????

FSQRY STATE???????????????????????????

&IF &RETCODE NE 0 &GOTO -LM???????????

FSHELP &1 &2 &3 &4 &5 &6 &7 &8????????

&EXIT?????????????????????????????????

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-LM??

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Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Bolch
Sent: 26 December 2021 19:01
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] HELP vsus FSHELP

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Hi Dave,

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VM/SP has the XEDIT based screen manager to display full screen help.?

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I am not aware if a facility like that exactly, but I did fixup an old SAS full screen interface from VM/ 370 that could be used for this. I don't recall the state of the doc (if there is any), but the code is in the files area under boogie-tool. It needs a BREXX fix, which is part of the next VM370CE release. Please look over that set of files, and if you think this could be a suitable interface, we could work up the programmer documentation and try to build a HELP full screen system.?

?

Bob

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On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 12:29 PM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

Gentles,

? I am starting to get cross. Not with any of you of course, but with the HELP command. When using SP5 on the Living Computer Museum machine, HELP automatically works in Fullscreen mode unless “(NOSCREEN” is specified.

Should ours work in the same way?

Dave

G4UGM
 

Hey Dave,

I was not aware of that interface. Nice!

Bob

On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 2:51 PM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

Bob,

Ooops I didn’t explain that very well. VM/CE comes with an FSHELP package from MECAFF so no extra code needed….

… I think think the following patch to HELP EXEC might work…

?

&CONTROL OFF NOMSG????????????????????

STATE FSQERY MODULE *?????????????????

&IF &RETCODE NE 0 &GOTO -LM???????????

???????????????????????????????????????

FSQRY STATE???????????????????????????

&IF &RETCODE NE 0 &GOTO -LM???????????

FSHELP &1 &2 &3 &4 &5 &6 &7 &8????????

&EXIT?????????????????????????????????

?

-LM??

?

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Bolch
Sent: 26 December 2021 19:01
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] HELP vsus FSHELP

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Hi Dave,

?

VM/SP has the XEDIT based screen manager to display full screen help.?

?

I am not aware if a facility like that exactly, but I did fixup an old SAS full screen interface from VM/ 370 that could be used for this. I don't recall the state of the doc (if there is any), but the code is in the files area under boogie-tool. It needs a BREXX fix, which is part of the next VM370CE release. Please look over that set of files, and if you think this could be a suitable interface, we could work up the programmer documentation and try to build a HELP full screen system.?

?

Bob

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On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 12:29 PM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

Gentles,

? I am starting to get cross. Not with any of you of course, but with the HELP command. When using SP5 on the Living Computer Museum machine, HELP automatically works in Fullscreen mode unless “(NOSCREEN” is specified.

Should ours work in the same way?

Dave

G4UGM
 

It is not enough to update HELP EXEC, one also needs to update the menu of FSHELP, in particular for the new help files that Dave wrote. The menu is stored in MENU FSHELP U2.

If I am right, the current one contains typos and is incomplete (the SFBROWSE command Bob agreed to put on the system is absent from the list).

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal
 

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Rene,

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The FSHELP menus need updating regardless. I am also not sure I have the right extensions on some of the new files.

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There are also still a lot of commands, both EXECs and MODULES that need help files!

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So its still very much work in progress!

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Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland
Sent: 26 December 2021 21:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] HELP vsus FSHELP

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It is not enough to update HELP EXEC, one also needs to update the menu of FSHELP, in particular for the new help files that Dave wrote. The menu is stored in MENU FSHELP U2.

If I am right, the current one contains typos and is incomplete (the SFBROWSE command Bob agreed to put on the system is absent from the list).

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal

 


I will open an issue for MENU FSHELP to be updated.
Bob

On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 4:28 PM René Ferland <ferland.rene@...> wrote:
It is not enough to update HELP EXEC, one also needs to update the menu of FSHELP, in particular for the new help files that Dave wrote. The menu is stored in MENU FSHELP U2.

If I am right, the current one contains typos and is incomplete (the SFBROWSE command Bob agreed to put on the system is absent from the list).

Cheers,

Rene FERLAND, Montreal

 

>> There are also still a lot of commands, both EXECs and MODULES that need help files!
>> So its still very much work in progress!
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Aha! Here's where I can contribute! No need to be a system programmer or a mainframer to prepare an help file. :-)
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So let me commit myself to create the help files of CMS/DOS commands:
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ASSGN, DLBL, DOSLIB, DOSLKED, DSERV, ESERV, FETCH, LISTDS, LISTIO, OPTION, PSERV, RSERV, SSERV
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essentially using the printed documentation. Preparing roughly one help file a day, that should lead me around January 10. I will put the files on a tape when I am done.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
 

Dave,?
I ran into some difficulties whle trying your code to call FSHELP from the HELP EXEC,
if called while on a 3270 session. The old HELP and FSHELP commands have different operands.
The HELP files themselves document the operands on the HELP EXEC. There is a significant
amount of work to resolve these operand differences, so I am not sure how to proceed.
Any thoughts on this?
Bob Bolch
 

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Bob & Everyone..

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Firstly, sorry I have paused on the help I have an updated tape/zip with some more files, but got distracted by some work on updating information on local pubs on whatpub.com……

.. I will try and get it uploaded ASAP…

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OK Bob, I agree its yukky I feel it largely works, but when getting help on some things with subsystems things don’t work as they should. ?

I get the feeling FSHELP is slightly broken, but not sure in what way. Perhaps just leave it as-is for now, but I do feel that having things the way they are does an injustice to the new user by giving them non-fullscreen help

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Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Bolch
Sent: 14 January 2022 12:58
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] HELP vsus FSHELP

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Dave,?
I ran into some difficulties whle trying your code to call FSHELP from the HELP EXEC,
if called while on a 3270 session. The old HELP and FSHELP commands have different operands.
The HELP files themselves document the operands on the HELP EXEC. There is a significant
amount of work to resolve these operand differences, so I am not sure how to proceed.
Any thoughts on this?
Bob Bolch

 

I remember VM/SP Release 1 on a 4341 in 1982. HELP was nothing else but XEDIT in disguise, wrapped into a huge XEDIT macro written in EXEC 2. I found out by myself how to cheat the command filter by something like "LOCATE 0 <any desired XEDIT subcommand>". This macro was ported to REXX in VM/SP Release 3.

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