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Hello, I used VM/CMS very briefly during school work experience over 35 years?ago and then came across Hercules and this mailing list and thought I'd have a play with it. I found? and I have downloaded and tried the five pack and six pack systems from there.? In each case I can get to the point where Hercules has started and IPLed VM and several 3270 terminals are connected, but I can't get to the point where I can get any CMS commands to work. I did some searching and found Bob DuCharme's "Operating System Handbook" of which part 5 covers VM/CMS.? This describes a login screen with fields for username, password and command but, although a screen with character art appears, it doesn't have obvious fields to accept a user name or password.? Typing 'logon cmsuser' (as this is listed a valid?username in the sixpack readme) switches to a blank screen with 'CP READ' at the bottom right.? Typing 'IPL CMS' as per Bob's book gives an error message 'DMKCFC001E ?CP: IPL' and just about anything else just gives the message 'restart' in lower case.? The only commands that seem to do anything are logoff and shutdown. What am I missing here?? How can I get to the point where I can issue CMS commands, please?? Is there a better crib sheet/reference I should be using? |
开云体育The password? which is cmsuser…! So do ? Logon cmsuser cmsuser ? Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steven Fosdick
Sent: 19 January 2020 19:54 To: [email protected] Subject: [h390-vm] Getting Started with VM/CMS ? Hello, I used VM/CMS very briefly during school work experience over 35 years?ago and then came across Hercules and this mailing list and thought I'd have a play with it. ? I found? ? and I have downloaded and tried the five pack and six pack systems from there.? In each case I can get to the point where Hercules has started and IPLed VM and several 3270 terminals are connected, but I can't get to the point where I can get any CMS commands to work. ? I did some searching and found Bob DuCharme's "Operating System Handbook" of which part 5 covers VM/CMS.? This describes a login screen with fields for username, password and command but, although a screen with character art appears, it doesn't have obvious fields to accept a user name or password.? Typing 'logon cmsuser' (as this is listed a valid?username in the sixpack readme) switches to a blank screen with 'CP READ' at the bottom right.? Typing 'IPL CMS' as per Bob's book gives an error message 'DMKCFC001E ?CP: IPL' and just about anything else just gives the message 'restart' in lower case.? The only commands that seem to do anything are logoff and shutdown. ? What am I missing here?? How can I get to the point where I can issue CMS commands, please?? Is there a better crib sheet/reference I should be using? |
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Hi Steven,
Hello, I used VM/CMS very briefly during school work experience over 35The directions you found in "Operating System Handbook" apply to a later version of VM than the versions available for download. In the version you are running, it is not possible to log on from the VM/370 logo screen. When this screen comes up, you need to press enter or clear to move on to the next screen when you will see "CP READ" in the bottom right. At this point you can now enter 'logon cmsuser', then enter the password for cmsuser, which is also cmsuser and then CMS should start up automatically. Press enter once more when you see "VM READ" in the bottom right and then you should be good to go. The reason 'IPL CMS' did not work for you is because you need to be logged on before you can issue this command and you had not managed to successfully log on yet. Regards, Peter Coghlan. |
Guys, Thanks for the replies. After some experimentation, I discovered that the 'logon' command only works when abbreviated to 'log'.? Using the abbreviated form I can specify both username and password on the command line and am logged on immediately, or if I miss out the password the system prompts me for it. I don't recall that from 35 years ago but my memory is not that good.? Is this a common set up or something odd here.? Anyway now I am in there seems to be plenty of help available. Regards, Steve. |
开云体育1985 would have been VM/SP release 3 era.? I installed VM/ESA 1.1 in early 1992.? Logging on via the logo screen came about with VM/SP.? With VM/370, it is easier if you clear the logo screen first. Gary Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device |
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1985 was barely VM/XA (I dont even think HPO was out) Joe On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 4:30 PM adriansutherland67 <adrian@...> wrote: 35 years ago ... 1985 ... VM/ESA ... so a bit more modern to the old six pack (!) |
开云体育On 1/19/20 3:05 PM, Joe Monk wrote:
It was not until spring 1988 that IBM decommitted from the General Availability of VM/XA 1, so VM/ESA was later. On the 24 bit side ... VM/SP 3 was popular in 1985, VM/SP 4 was soon after, and VM/SP 5 was out by summer 1987. The Living Computers: Museums + Labs IBM 4361 runs VM/SP 5.? You can request (you knew this was coming) a free login on it here: -ahd- |
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Mentioning xedit, that was going to be my next question.? The editor I remember was one where each line was prefixed by an area into which you could type one or two letter commands and block operations were done by typing the command on both the start and end lines.? Looking at the description of xedit it seems like that is probably the editor I remember, though it could have been the editor invoked from ISPF.? Does that give any more clue as to which version I may have been using?? I looked at EDIT from the sixpack and it looks altogether more primitive. I have also had a play with MVS 3.8J and Rob Finn's RPF.? The editor in that looks good and quite similar, at least superficially, to xedit so I immediately started to wonder if that could? be ported to CMS but I am very glad to hear of fsedit. On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 22:30, adriansutherland67 <adrian@...> wrote: 35 years ago ... 1985 ... VM/ESA ... so a bit more modern to the old six pack (!) |
开云体育Steven There are a couple of IBM editors with a prefix area. If you used VM it was most likely you used XEDIT. Superficially it looks similar to the ISPF editor but few, if anyone used that on VM ISPF had to be bought, XEDIT was free and part of VM. The look and feel was very customisable so just because a screen looks different to what you remember on VM is doesn’t mean it’s not the same editor underneath. I actually find FSEDIT frustrating because its so different to XEDIT…. Many commands are not the same… ? Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steven Fosdick
Sent: 20 January 2020 12:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Getting Started with VM/CMS ? Mentioning xedit, that was going to be my next question.? The editor I remember was one where each line was prefixed by an area into which you could type one or two letter commands and block operations were done by typing the command on both the start and end lines.? Looking at the description of xedit it seems like that is probably the editor I remember, though it could have been the editor invoked from ISPF.? Does that give any more clue as to which version I may have been using?? I looked at EDIT from the sixpack and it looks altogether more primitive. ? I have also had a play with MVS 3.8J and Rob Finn's RPF.? The editor in that looks good and quite similar, at least superficially, to xedit so I immediately started to wonder if that could? be ported to CMS but I am very glad to hear of fsedit. ? On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 22:30, adriansutherland67 <adrian@...> wrote:
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