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3270 printers under VM
(specifically VM/ESA)
Can anyone shed some light on what it takes to get VMS to be able to print to a 3270-connected printer, say a 3287? I failed around the help panels for a while today and I don't think I got very close. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
Dave,
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I assume you mean VM/CMS? From what I remember VM does not consider 3270 printers as Printers so the only way to print out of the box is with the PF copy key. I don't have ESA running so I can't check if even that still works in ESA CMS. On the Waterloo Tape there is a utility PRT328X that runs in a VM and accepts files and prints to such a printer, but I am not sure if it works in VM/ESA. I believe the RSCS program product also supports 3270 printers. Dave -----Original Message-----print to a 3270-connected printer, say a 3287? I failed around the help panels for awhile today and I don't think I got very close. Any assistance would be greatly |
No, I meant VM/ESA, but I do want to print from CMS.
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Apparently the way to do this is via RSCS; that was the missing link I was looking for. Thanks! -Dave On 6/9/24 04:31, Dave Wade wrote:
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
So as I stated earlier, the missing link was that I needed to go through RSCS. Getting it running couldn't be simpler:
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attach 0563 to rscs smsg rscs define lp type 3270p line 0563 smsg rscs start lp This is runtime configuration and will not persist until added to RSCS CONFIG on RSCS' 191 disk. Then, to print a file: spool prt rscs tag dev prt lp print <fn> <ft> <fm> This is under VM/ESA on an ES/9000 with a 3287-emulating printer attached to a 3174 addressed at 0563. Works great. Thanks to all who responded and pointed me in the right direction, publicly and privately. I appreciate your time and expertise. Thanks, -Dave On 6/9/24 07:54, Dave McGuire wrote:
? No, I meant VM/ESA, but I do want to print from CMS. --
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
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Dave,
Thanks for the details on getting the printer defined to RSCS.? I worked with RSCS many. many years ago, on a VM/HPO system running a 4381.? I have forgotten how to do simple things!? Miss those days. . . ??
Jim
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dave McGuire via groups.io <mcguire@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 7:41 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [h390-vm] 3270 printers under VM ?
?? So as I stated earlier, the missing link was that I needed to go through RSCS.? Getting it running couldn't be simpler: attach 0563 to rscs smsg rscs define lp type 3270p line 0563 smsg rscs start lp ?? This is runtime configuration and will not persist until added to RSCS CONFIG on RSCS' 191 disk. ?? Then, to print a file: spool prt rscs tag dev prt lp print <fn> <ft> <fm> ?? This is under VM/ESA on an ES/9000 with a 3287-emulating printer attached to a 3174 addressed at 0563. ?? Works great.? Thanks to all who responded and pointed me in the right direction, publicly and privately.? I appreciate your time and expertise. ??????????????? Thanks, ??????????????? -Dave On 6/9/24 07:54, Dave McGuire wrote: > >? ? No, I meant VM/ESA, but I do want to print from CMS. > >? ? Apparently the way to do this is via RSCS; that was the missing link > I was looking for.? Thanks! > >? ???????????? -Dave > > On 6/9/24 04:31, Dave Wade wrote: >> Dave, >> >> I assume you mean VM/CMS? From what I remember VM does not consider 3270 >> printers as Printers so the only way to print out of the box is with >> the PF >> copy key. >> I don't have ESA running so I can't check if even that still works in ESA >> CMS. >> On the Waterloo Tape there is a utility PRT328X that runs in a VM and >> accepts files and prints to such a printer, but I am not sure if it >> works in >> VM/ESA. >> I believe the RSCS program product also supports 3270 printers. >> >> Dave >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire >>> via groups.io >>> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 2:03 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [h390-vm] 3270 printers under VM >>> >>> >>> ?? (specifically VM/ESA) >>> >>> ?? Can anyone shed some light on what it takes to get VMS to be able to >> print to a >>> 3270-connected printer, say a 3287?? I failed around the help panels >>> for a >> while >>> today and I don't think I got very close.? Any assistance would be >>> greatly >>> appreciated. >>> >>> ??????????????????????? Thanks, >>> ????????????????????????? -Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >>> New Kensington, PA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
Whereas I, coming from other areas of the industry (DEC, Cray, Sun) am just now learning these simple things in the IBM world. Man RSCS is powerful.
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You can always come over to LSSM to "scratch the itch" if you like. Real iron, up and running. I see below that I mentioned "get VMS to be able to print"...So that was probably my fingers autocorrecting CMS to VMS, as I type "VMS" a lot more often than I type "CMS"! There should've been laws against products in the industry with such similar names. ;) -Dave On 6/9/24 21:14, Jim Snellen wrote:
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
On Mon 10 Jun 2024 at 12:28:25 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
Whereas I, coming from other areas of the industry (DEC, Cray, Sun) amsmsg rscs msg relay@hearn Hello World! or something like that, to send a message to the Interchat Relay Network... something I spent a lot of time on in my student years... Or maybe it was smsg rscs tell relay at hearn Hello World! or something in between. Who knows... -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert <rhialto/at/falu.nl> \X/ There is no AI. There is just someone else's work. --I. Rose |
On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 at 12:28, Dave McGuire via <mcguire=[email protected]> wrote:
? ?You can always come over to LSSM to "scratch the itch" if you like. Speaking of VMS (not a typo) and RSCS, whatever
happened to JNET from Joiner Associates? It ran on VMS and talked NJE
to RSCS (or JES2 NJE). Does the company or the product still exist -
surely not...? Looks as though there is some doc on the moshix github
claiming in 1992 it was from "Wingra Technologies", which I'd never
heard of. Of course I realize there have been
several modern implementations of the NJE protocols for various
platforms, but is there one for VMS? |
On 6/10/24 16:41, Tony Harminc wrote:
Speaking of VMS (not a typo) and RSCS, whatever happened to JNET from Joiner Associates? It ran on VMS and talked NJE to RSCS (or JES2 NJE). Does the company or the product still exist - surely not...? Looks as though there is some doc on the moshix github claiming in 1992 it was from "Wingra Technologies", which I'd never heard of.There were several implementations for VMS. JNET in particular has been recovered, and some people have succeeded, recently, in getting it running. We'll be working on it at LSSM likely later this week. FWIW I'd never heard of Wingra Technologies either, but that name is what's in the JNET documentation, for at least v3.5. There was another implementation, by a university in Israel. That one has been recovered as well. The redoubtable Moshix has ported it to Linux. I've not yet tried it out. Definitely interesting stuff. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
There wasn't a use for @ in addresses at the time.? IIRC the @ sign was even defined as chardel, in linemode that is.? Dates from typewrite times.? When you'd type an @, the preceding character was ignored.? In some release the default SYSTEM CONFIG turned LINEDEL and CHARDEL OFF
One could send a message to another VM system using the TELL EXEC? ? ? ?TELL myfriend AT otherVM hello Or, use the native RSCS commands ? ?CP SMSG RSCS MSG otherVM myfriend hello The TELL EXEC consulted also "userid NAMES" so your addressee could even be a list of people or a nickname; transparently on the same VM system or via RSCS to a remote VM system -- Kris Buelens |
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAnd by adding a comma you could also start to chat ? Tell user at IECVM1 hi, ? Very long before the internet ¡°invented¡± chatting.. ? Kind regards Mike ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of kris.buelens@...
Sent: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2024 15:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] 3270 printers under VM ? There wasn't a use for @ in addresses at the time.? IIRC the @ sign was even defined as chardel, in linemode that is.? Dates from typewrite times.? When you'd type an @, the preceding character was ignored.? In some release the default SYSTEM CONFIG turned LINEDEL and CHARDEL OFF |
On Tue 11 Jun 2024 at 16:38:24 +0200, Mike Beer wrote:
And by adding a comma you could also start to chatOf course, the name "Internet Relay Chat" is fairly obviously a rehash of the "Interchat Relay Network", also known as Relay. A fellow student created a CMS nucleus extension to make chatting via messages a lot nicer. On the one hand it simplified the syntax for sending messages, and on the other hand it captured the received messages and made them print nicer and more compact. -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert <rhialto/at/falu.nl> \X/ There is no AI. There is just someone else's work. --I. Rose |
I also created some chatting-like function under CMS, using CMS fullscreen.? This way I could chat with my wife while writing a redbook in Poughkeepsie.
And yes (shtt, IBM wasn't aware) I made her logon to IECVM1, while I used a WTSC VM system.? Around 1995? Later, when CMSGUI arrived, during that redbook project, I created a chatting-like thing with CMSGUI to chat with her. 1996, GUITELL -- Kris Buelens |
On June 12, 2024 2:23:43 PM kris.buelens@... wrote:
I also created some chatting-like function under CMS, using CMS fullscreen. This way I could chat with my wife while writing a redbook in Poughkeepsie.Do you still have that code? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
I searched for the first version yesterday, but could find it.? I didn't save all my stuff from IECVM1/BRUVMIS1
GUITELL though, that can still be found on VM's download library, or I can send it.? But, I read not too long ago that the CMS/GUI stuff shall be/was removed from CMS. ?https://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?GUITELL -- Kris Buelens |