It might work if you could get the operator console in 3215 mode. You’d have to script it with a program connected to the 3270 port as a line mode console.? I don’t know if CE can be generated with a 3215 primary console…?

On Jul 15, 2024, at 10:18?AM, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

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Hello,

I am looking for a method (Rexx script in Hercules?) to start VM/CE in an unattended mode. Unfirtunately, Windows will restart on its own not respecting that Hercules and VM/CE are runnung.

The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?

Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

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After Hercules startup you’d have to launch a script that connected to port 3270 in line mode as device 009.? Then you’d have to read/write to the console port ala expect scripts.? Probably not super hard even if you have to deal with character translation to EBCDIC.?

I thought at one time you could get an embedded 3215 console at the Hercules prompt so you could use the Hercules programmable operator to reply (didn’t it use a period to prefix input to the guest?)

I’m running ESA so I’m less sure about VM/CE.

On Jul 15, 2024, at 11:22?AM, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

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Hello,?

Thank you for your response.? I just looked, and 009 is a 3215 in DMKRIO (RDEVICE is 004,7 and set to 3215).

I'm not following your thught as this need to be an unattended solution.

I thought Hercules could run REXX programs, but can a REXX program "see" the output on the OS it is running and programmatically respond?

Bertram Moshier

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 10:07 Matthew T. Kromer via <zerohero0h=[email protected]> wrote:

It might work if you could get the operator console in 3215 mode. You’d have to script it with a program connected to the 3270 port as a line mode console.? I don’t know if CE can be generated with a 3215 primary console…?

On Jul 15, 2024, at 10:18?AM, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

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Hello,

I am looking for a method (Rexx script in Hercules?) to start VM/CE in an unattended mode. Unfirtunately, Windows will restart on its own not respecting that Hercules and VM/CE are runnung.

The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?

Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

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Why not run a PRO version of windows where you can schedule updates?

Or set up a group policy task to close Hercules before a re-boot.

You can perhaps use the web interface and WGET to post Hercules commands.

I would really want to know if Hercules has closed un-cleanly...

.. and I don?t think you can?t use the automatic operator as it only responds to Hercules messages.

Dave

On 15/07/2024 16:32, Matthew T. Kromer via wrote:

After Hercules startup you’d have to launch a script that connected to port 3270 in line mode as device 009.? Then you’d have to read/write to the console port ala expect scripts. ?Probably not super hard even if you have to deal with character translation to EBCDIC.?

I thought at one time you could get an embedded 3215 console at the Hercules prompt so you could use the Hercules programmable operator to reply (didn’t it use a period to prefix input to the guest?)

I’m running ESA so I’m less sure about VM/CE.

On Jul 15, 2024, at 11:22?AM, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm@...> wrote:

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Hello,?

Thank you for your response.? I just looked, and 009 is a 3215 in DMKRIO (RDEVICE is 004,7 and set to 3215).

I'm not following your thught as this need to be an unattended solution.

I thought Hercules could run REXX programs, but can a REXX program "see" the output on the OS it is running and programmatically respond?

Bertram Moshier

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 10:07 Matthew T. Kromer via <zerohero0h=[email protected]> wrote:

It might work if you could get the operator console in 3215 mode. You’d have to script it with a program connected to the 3270 port as a line mode console.? I don’t know if CE can be generated with a 3215 primary console…?

On Jul 15, 2024, at 10:18?AM, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

?

Hello,

I am looking for a method (Rexx script in Hercules?) to start VM/CE in an unattended mode. Unfirtunately, Windows will restart on its own not respecting that Hercules and VM/CE are runnung.

The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?

Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

?

Bertram,

Well the vandal in me says why not just add a "/FORCE" into hercules.rc before the "/enable all". VM should still start, the force will produce a "missing user-id" error if the spool is OK, but if its not it should cause a normal restart.

Dave

On 15/07/2024 16:41, Bertram Moshier via wrote:

Hello again,

THe character you are? thinking of is a slash (e.g. .CKPT, /CP Q N, /CP SHUTDOWN, etc.).

Yes, I'm hpping a script could "see" and "input" on 009 should Windows restart.

Bert

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 10:32 Matthew T. Kromer via <zerohero0h=[email protected]> wrote:

After Hercules startup you’d have to launch a script that connected to port 3270 in line mode as device 009.? Then you’d have to read/write to the console port ala expect scripts.? Probably not super hard even if you have to deal with character translation to EBCDIC.?

I thought at one time you could get an embedded 3215 console at the Hercules prompt so you could use the Hercules programmable operator to reply (didn’t it use a period to prefix input to the guest?)

I’m running ESA so I’m less sure about VM/CE.

On Jul 15, 2024, at 11:22?AM, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

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Hello,?

Thank you for your response.? I just looked, and 009 is a 3215 in DMKRIO (RDEVICE is 004,7 and set to 3215).

I'm not following your thught as this need to be an unattended solution.

I thought Hercules could run REXX programs, but can a REXX program "see" the output on the OS it is running and programmatically respond?

Bertram Moshier

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 10:07 Matthew T. Kromer via <zerohero0h=[email protected]> wrote:

It might work if you could get the operator console in 3215 mode. You’d have to script it with a program connected to the 3270 port as a line mode console.? I don’t know if CE can be generated with a 3215 primary console…?

On Jul 15, 2024, at 10:18?AM, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

?

Hello,

I am looking for a method (Rexx script in Hercules?) to start VM/CE in an unattended mode. Unfirtunately, Windows will restart on its own not respecting that Hercules and VM/CE are runnung.

The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?

Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

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Hello,

Thank you for your interesting reply.

I never tried FORCE as a default because I thought it would kill all spool files.?

Of course VM/CE has a modification to set the default response to that prompt.? It defauls to WARM, but a change to DMKSYS would change it to FORCE.? Losing spool files is not desirable.

Bertram.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 11:06 Dave Wade via <dave.g4ugm=[email protected]> wrote:

Bertram,

Well the vandal in me says why not just add a "/FORCE" into hercules.rc before the "/enable all". VM should still start, the force will produce a "missing user-id" error if the spool is OK, but if its not it should cause a normal restart.

Dave

On 15/07/2024 16:41, Bertram Moshier via wrote:

Hello again,

THe character you are? thinking of is a slash (e.g. .CKPT, /CP Q N, /CP SHUTDOWN, etc.).

Yes, I'm hpping a script could "see" and "input" on 009 should Windows restart.

Bert

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 10:32 Matthew T. Kromer via <zerohero0h=[email protected]> wrote:

After Hercules startup you’d have to launch a script that connected to port 3270 in line mode as device 009.? Then you’d have to read/write to the console port ala expect scripts.? Probably not super hard even if you have to deal with character translation to EBCDIC.?

I thought at one time you could get an embedded 3215 console at the Hercules prompt so you could use the Hercules programmable operator to reply (didn’t it use a period to prefix input to the guest?)

I’m running ESA so I’m less sure about VM/CE.

On Jul 15, 2024, at 11:22?AM, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

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Hello,?

Thank you for your response.? I just looked, and 009 is a 3215 in DMKRIO (RDEVICE is 004,7 and set to 3215).

I'm not following your thught as this need to be an unattended solution.

I thought Hercules could run REXX programs, but can a REXX program "see" the output on the OS it is running and programmatically respond?

Bertram Moshier

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 10:07 Matthew T. Kromer via <zerohero0h=[email protected]> wrote:

It might work if you could get the operator console in 3215 mode. You’d have to script it with a program connected to the 3270 port as a line mode console.? I don’t know if CE can be generated with a 3215 primary console…?

On Jul 15, 2024, at 10:18?AM, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

?

Hello,

I am looking for a method (Rexx script in Hercules?) to start VM/CE in an unattended mode. Unfirtunately, Windows will restart on its own not respecting that Hercules and VM/CE are runnung.

The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?

Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

?

Hello,

I am looking for a method (Rexx script in Hercules?) to start VM/CE in an unattended mode. Unfirtunately, Windows will restart on its own not respecting that Hercules and VM/CE are runnung.

The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?

Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

?

Adrian Sutherland, of BREXX fame, has a tool he uses to automate Hercules when running under contributions of GitHub Actions.? He uses it to build BREXX under VM/CE CMS in a GitHub Linux instead, but on the surface, it looks like the technique would work in Windows too.

Ross

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:18 Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello,

I am looking for a method (Rexx script in Hercules?) to start VM/CE in an unattended mode. Unfirtunately, Windows will restart on its own not respecting that Hercules and VM/CE are runnung.

The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?

Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

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