This group is for all folks running the original IBM VM/370 Release 6 operating system (or later (e.g. VMTCE (Community Edition)) on Hercules. Like the other early IBM operating systems this version has always been in the public domain and so can be freely distributed. The base version as supplied by IBM is lacking in many facilities. IBM solved this by providing additional extension products which were licensed and so are not available. There are however many user enhancements available which can be installed. In addition, in order to get users up and running quickly updated "releases" of VM/370 included the most popular updates are available for download, so novices can start to learn VM without having to delve into the system internals. It is intended that this wiki will provide information on the base release and these updates.
The available versions are here :-
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
Remember, the suffixes for various products is not based on function level but how much (real) memory it needed; this was an era when the IBM S/360 65 maxed out at 1 MB core of fast core.? Even the
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Drew Derbyshire
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
I would like to second Eddy Balem's plug of Harold Grovesteen's most excellent SATK/ASMA product: * https://github.com/s390guy/SATK As Harold already knows, I'm his biggest fan. It's a *very* nice,
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Fish Fish
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
Can't forget what I didn't know. Thank you very much. I will add it to the ever growing list of things-to-do. ... Mark S.
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Mark A. Stevens
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
I've been 'collecting' various 'versions' to see what is different, as the very first version I got, from a CBT tape some years ago, differs from what is out there now. ... Mark S.
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Mark A. Stevens
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
Thank you very much for the history lesson. I read somewhere that G was written because of limitations in F, but I don't remember what those all were. Installing G on VM/370 is necessarily needed, but
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Mark A. Stevens
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
I believe it would from the code I have been living with. There are modules that support the following instruction sets This is why I have been trying to get this installed, as I believe it could be
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Mark A. Stevens
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
I would add, regarding ASMA, that the .OBJ object code generated is (in my experience) 100% compatible with IBM object decks, except that it does not include RLD information. This means it should be
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eddy_balem@...
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
I hadn't realized that IBM rewrote F into XF while H was already available. Interesting. Would it be feasible to expand G into full H compatibility? AIUI, H started out as IBM's version of G...
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Jay Maynard
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
And do not forget the assembler that comes with SATK, also called ASMA it appears. https://github.com/s390guy/SATK The SATK ASMA manual is at the doc/asma/ASMA.pdf in the github repository. The syntax
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Harold Grovesteen
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
Mark, To echo what Tony says, F and XF are different beasts. Basically, F was I think the pre MVS OS assembler, XF was distributed with MVS, VM and DOS. I have never seen ¡°F¡± on VM. I am sure I
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Dave Wade
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Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
[email protected]> wrote: Assembler F and XF are indeed completely different programs. For whatever reasons, IBM appears to have written XF to the same specs as F, but from scratch. There are a
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Tony Harminc
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VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF
I am still trying, as I can find time, to get Assembler G installed on VM/370. I've run into an EXEC that mentions Assembler F as separate from Assembler XF. Is that true/possible? I only find
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Mark A. Stevens
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Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11
Dave's right - if you want to preserve your SPOOL files (which can sometimes be recovered by a checkpoint start), and avoid the start prompt, don't just close Hercules. Instead, issue a /SHUTDOWN
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Ross Patterson
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Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11
wrote: OK, so here's some more explanation of the magic :-) /18:32:35 AUTO LOGON *** OPERATOR USERS = 001 BY SYSTEM > > Once the SPOOL has been recovered or cleared, the system operator userid
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Ross Patterson
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Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11
Steve, Normally it would come up on its own. The reason you are seeing this is because it hasn¡¯t been shutdown properly, because you have had issues bringing it up in the past. Dave Sent: Monday,
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Dave Wade
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Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11
Hi Steve, well, it depends on whether CP can find valid warmstart data or not; when you carefully shut it down (when logged in as MAINT (or another properly privileged user) issue a SHUTDOWN) it will
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[email protected]
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Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11
Thank you Ross, simple as that! I have never used VM/370; never advanced further than DOS/VS in the 1970s..... All the videos I've seen of this startup have been automatic all the way the the VM/370
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Steve Shepherd
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Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11
wrote: CP is waiting for your answer to this question. Until you tell it how you want to start up, nothing else will happen, including enabling terminals. Type your answer starting with a slash (which
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Ross Patterson
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Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11
Hello Dave, Thanks for responding. Either by running "Vm3270CE" from the command prompt, or double clicking from the File Explorer I get the following: HHC00100I Thread id 00002958, prio 5, name
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Steve Shepherd
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Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11
Steve, When you say ¡°ran the batch file¡± was this from a CMD prompt or clicking from a file explorer window? Can you post a screen shot? If you just type ¡°Hercules¡± on the command line before
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Dave Wade
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