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Re: What is special about the 3066?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
via groups.io
Sent: 26 September 2024 16:43
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] What is special about the 3066?

On September 26, 2024 11:38:14 AM "Drew Derbyshire"
<swhobbit@...> wrote:
In my shop when we had the /168, the 3066 was only used during IPL and
doing diagnostic work. In fact, the 168 console was stuck in a back
corner of the computer room and all the real operation was done from
a bank of real 3270s in the center
I'm reminded how at Clarkson College in the late 1970s, the S/360-65J IPLed
off the 1052 in the back, but after IPL most communication with the system was
done via a more centrally located DECWriter (which of course was three times as
fast and far quieter).

(As a freshman at the time, I had absolutely no clue as to how one
makes a DEC serial device a OS/360 system console. 46 years later, I'm
still not sure I wanna know¡­)
Well later on we did it with the AEA option in a 3174. I have no idea of how it
would've been done back then. I'd sure like to know.
Well you could define a TTY on a 2708 but I don't believe that OS/360 could use that as a console...
.. on the other hand pretty sure with a PDP-8


-Dave
Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: What is special about the 3066?

 

On September 26, 2024 11:38:14 AM "Drew Derbyshire" <swhobbit@...> wrote:
In my shop when we had the /168, the 3066 was only used during IPL and
doing diagnostic work. In fact, the 168 console was stuck in a back corner
of the computer room and all the real operation was done from a bank of
real 3270s in the center
I'm reminded how at Clarkson College in the late 1970s, the S/360-65J IPLed off the 1052 in the back, but after IPL most communication with the system was done via a more centrally located DECWriter (which of course was three times as fast and far quieter).

(As a freshman at the time, I had absolutely no clue as to how one makes a DEC serial device a OS/360 system console. 46 years later, I'm still not sure I wanna know¡­)
Well later on we did it with the AEA option in a 3174. I have no idea of how it would've been done back then. I'd sure like to know.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: What is special about the 3066?

 

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 09:39 AM, William Denton wrote:
In my shop when we had the /168, the 3066 was only used during IPL and doing diagnostic work. In fact, the 168 console was stuck in a back corner of the computer room and all the real operation was done from a bank of real 3270s in the center
I'm reminded how at Clarkson College in the late 1970s, the S/360-65J IPLed off the 1052 in the back, but after IPL most communication with the system was done via a more centrally located DECWriter (which of course was three times as fast and far quieter).?

(As a freshman at the time, I had absolutely no clue as to how one makes a DEC serial device a OS/360 system console. 46 years later, I'm still not sure I wanna know¡­)
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Still nervous,
-ahd-
Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list #VMCE #rexx

 

I have uploaded a bleeding edge preview of EE into the Files section:
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? /g/h390-vm/files/MECAFF%20tools:%20fixes%20and%20features/EE241417.VMARC
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Martin
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What is in this archive ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
README ? MEMO ? ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
this file, same as README ? HELPEE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
EE$D ? ? MODULE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
executable module, DYNAMICally linked, runs in user area at 0x020000 ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
EE$S ? ? MODULE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
executable module, STATICally linked, runs in user area at 0x020000 ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
EE$D ? ? MAP ? ? ?A5 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
EE$S ? ? MAP ? ? ?A5 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
load maps for DYNAMICally linked and STATICally linked module ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
EERESLIB TEXT ? ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
relocatable object code to load EE in high memory via RESLIB ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
EER$LOAD EXEC ? ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
REXX exec to load EE in high memory via RESLIB ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
EE$MACRO EXEC ? ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
REXX exec that handles EE's new macro facility, necessary for REXX integration?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
SYSPROF ?EE ? ? ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
PROFILE ?EE ? ? ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
simple EE macros run once at startup ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
PROFILER EE ? ? ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
repeatable profile, called after file has been loaded into storage ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
LISTFILE EE ? ? ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
REXX macro: load output of CMS LISTFILE into the editor ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
REVERSER EE ? ? ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
REXX macro: A demonstration how a macro can modify file contents ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
$EE ? ? ?HELP$EE ?A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
README ? HELPEE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
CURSOR ? HELPEE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
EE$BUGS ?HELPEE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
EE$HELP ?HELPEE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
EE$IBM ? HELPEE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
EE$NEW ? HELPEE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
EE$NOTES HELPEE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
EE$WISH ?HELPEE ? A1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
work in progress, small help files for EE's internal help ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Note: CMS HELP can be called when EE is loaded into high memory ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/* work in progress, numbers may differ */ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
Filename Filetype Fm ?Format ? ?Recs Blocks ? ? Date ? ?Time ? Label ? ? ? ? ??
README ? MEMO ? ? A1 ?V ? ?78 ? ? 74 ? ? ?4 ?2024-09-26 12:22 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$D ? ? MODULE ? A1 ?V 65535 ? ? ?6 ? ?322 ?2024-09-24 12:25 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$S ? ? MODULE ? A1 ?V 65535 ? ? ?8 ? ?452 ?2024-09-24 12:25 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$D ? ? MAP ? ? ?A5 ?F ? 100 ? ?460 ? ? 58 ?2024-09-24 12:25 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$S ? ? MAP ? ? ?A5 ?F ? 100 ? ?466 ? ? 59 ?2024-09-24 12:25 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EERESLIB TEXT ? ? A1 ?F ? ?80 ? 5570 ? ?557 ?2024-09-24 12:25 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EER$LOAD EXEC ? ? A1 ?V ? ?70 ? ? 36 ? ? ?2 ?2024-09-14 11:59 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$MACRO EXEC ? ? A1 ?V ? 109 ? ?194 ? ? ?7 ?2024-09-25 11:50 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
SYSPROF ?EE ? ? ? A1 ?V ? ?34 ? ? ?9 ? ? ?1 ?2024-09-14 ?9:47 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
PROFILE ?EE ? ? ? A1 ?V ? ?42 ? ? 38 ? ? ?1 ?2024-08-13 11:20 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
PROFILER EE ? ? ? A1 ?V ? ?71 ? ? 57 ? ? ?4 ?2024-09-25 ?9:43 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
LISTFILE EE ? ? ? A1 ?V ? ?52 ? ? 30 ? ? ?1 ?2024-09-04 ?9:51 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
REVERSER EE ? ? ? A1 ?V ? ?64 ? ? 41 ? ? ?2 ?2024-09-26 11:23 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
$EE ? ? ?HELP$EE ?A1 ?V ? ?84 ? ? 27 ? ? ?2 ?2024-08-08 21:28 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
README ? HELPEE ? A1 ?V ? ?78 ? ? 74 ? ? ?4 ?2024-09-26 12:22 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
CURSOR ? HELPEE ? A1 ?V ? ?75 ? ? ?4 ? ? ?1 ?2024-08-10 ?5:33 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$BUGS ?HELPEE ? A1 ?V ? 114 ? ?120 ? ? ?6 ?2024-08-10 ?6:03 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$HELP ?HELPEE ? A1 ?V ? ? 8 ? ? ?1 ? ? ?1 ?2024-08-08 20:19 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$IBM ? HELPEE ? A1 ?V ? ?51 ? ? 14 ? ? ?1 ?2024-08-08 22:13 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$NEW ? HELPEE ? A1 ?V ? ?76 ? ? 38 ? ? ?2 ?2024-08-09 ?1:46 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$NOTES HELPEE ? A1 ?V ? ? 7 ? ? ?1 ? ? ?1 ?2024-08-08 21:25 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
EE$WISH ?HELPEE ? A1 ?V ? ? 6 ? ? ?1 ? ? ?1 ?2024-08-08 21:25 ?MCF191 ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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2 files uploaded #file-notice

Group Notification
 

The following items have been added to the Files area of the [email protected] group.

By: Martin Scheffler <San-Lorenzo@...>

Description:
EE bleeding edge preview V1.3.2.0012_240924-1417
Re: Reserving Modification Numbers

 

I posted a list of modification numbers that are available as of the v1 r1.2 release of Community Edition.
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I would encourage people to annotate that list with the numbers they would like to claim for their own work. I also think it would be useful to the group for the claim to include a name and brief note as to the nature of their updates... with the intention of avoiding duplication of efforts and potential collaboration on interesting updates.
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For example, I am working on an update to DMKGRF, etc. that eliminates using GRTBLOK and the associated model dependent coding. If someone else is looking at things relating to DMKGRF, we would be better off if we worked together.
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cheers, William
Re: ECPSVM under Hyperion

 

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 05:37 AM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
And Spinhawk is the development branch name for the regular example of
Hercules?
Spinhawk is (obsolete) Hercules 3.x.? Prior to Hercules Helper, it was Spinhawk was fair easier to to build.

Yes? And Pluto is what besides Mr. Mouse's dog, and a dwarf planet?
It's a Bloom County quote (in response to a congressional subpoena).
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-ahd-
Re: ECPSVM under Hyperion

 

Hello!
And Spinhawk is the development branch name for the regular example of
Hercules? Yes? And Pluto is what besides Mr. Mouse's dog, and a dwarf
planet?
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature was present when the impossible happened 23 years ago, twice."

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 1:08?AM Drew Derbyshire via groups.io
<swhobbit@...> wrote:

The last time I tried to use ECPSVM assists, it was under Spinhawk; it didn't go well and I retreated to Pluto.

How is useful ECPSVM under Hyperion? It doesn't need to be 100% functional, but if I enable it any thing which is not functional needs be harmless (that is, not break processing).

Thanks,
-ahd-
Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list #VMCE #rexx

 

A repeatable profile will be included as a demo in the next bleeding edge preview.
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Martin
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/* REXX */ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/
*
** ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** This sample macro shows how to customise user interface elements ?**
** depending on file type. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** As a proof of concept, the PREFIX and the NUMBER commands have ? ?**
** been implemented to be effective on "view" level, which ? ? ? ? ? **
** currently looks like to be effective on "file" level. ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** Named PROFILER EE, this macro is a repeatable profile which ? ? ? **
** is called by EE after a file has been loaded into storage. ? ? ? ?**
** ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** Arguments: parse arg fn ft fm extra ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** filetype ? ? ? ?PREFIX ? ? ?NUMBER ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?**
** ----------------------------------- ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** ASSEMBLE ? ? ? ?RIGHT ? ? ? ON ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?**
** EE ? ? ? ? ? ? ?LEFT ? ? ? ?ON ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?**
** EXEC ? ? ? ? ? ?LEFT ? ? ? ?OFF ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** MAP ? ? ? ? ? ? RIGHT ? ? ? OFF ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** otherwise ? ? ? OFF ? ? ? ? --- ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
** These settings are tied to one specific file/view. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?**
** ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? **
*
/
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
parse arg fn ft fm extra ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
upper fn ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
upper ft ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
upper fm ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
select ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? when ft = "ASSEMBLE" then ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? do ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? "PREFIX RIGHT" ; "NUMBER ON" ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? end ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? when ft = "EE" then ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? do ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? "PREFIX LEFT" ?; "NUMBER ON" ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? end ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? when ft = "EXEC" then ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? do ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? "PREFIX LEFT" ?; "NUMBER OFF" ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? end ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? when ft = "MAP" then ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? do ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? "PREFIX RIGHT" ?; "NUMBER OFF" ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? end ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
otherwise ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? do ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? "PREFIX OFF" ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? end ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
end ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Re: ECPSVM under Hyperion

 

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Drew,

There were issues with the floating point code. It looks like the fixes for these were added to the Develop branch in May

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but the last release I can find is from March ?so either build from Develop or disable DISP1 and DISP2

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Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Drew Derbyshire via groups.io
Sent: 25 September 2024 06:09
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] ECPSVM under Hyperion

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The last time I tried to use ECPSVM assists, it was under Spinhawk; it didn't go well and I retreated to Pluto.

How is useful ECPSVM under Hyperion?? It doesn't need to be 100% functional, but if I enable it any? thing which is not functional needs be harmless (that is, not break processing).

Thanks,
-ahd-
ECPSVM under Hyperion

 

The last time I tried to use ECPSVM assists, it was under Spinhawk; it didn't go well and I retreated to Pluto.

How is useful ECPSVM under Hyperion?? It doesn't need to be 100% functional, but if I enable it any? thing which is not functional needs be harmless (that is, not break processing).

Thanks,
-ahd-
Updated Wiki Page: Reserved CP Modification Numbers #wiki-notice

Group Notification
 

The wiki page Reserved CP Modification Numbers has been updated by William Denton <williamedenton@...>.

Compare Revisions
Updated Wiki Page: Reserved CMS Modification Numbers #wiki-notice

Group Notification
 

The wiki page Reserved CMS Modification Numbers has been updated by William Denton <williamedenton@...>.

Compare Revisions
Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list #VMCE #rexx

 

I will check if the current snapshot is stable enough to show another bleeding edge preview. There are a lot of exciting new features and capabilities, at least as a Proof of Concept. Implementation details might change on further discussion.
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But ... the missing instructions. I still live with my untreated ADHD and it is hard for me to write a bunch of instructions in advance. I will need frequent feedback.
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Martin
Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list #VMCE #rexx

 

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Well - me too.?

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On 24 Sep 2024, at 18:45, William Denton via groups.io <williamedenton@...> wrote:

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Personally, I would like to see efforts on EE going into creating a rich enough REXX integration that would allow the "side modes" to be implemented in REXX.like IBM did.
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cheers,
William
Re: Support for 3066 Graphic Terminal

 

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William,

I think more than that, looking at the Functional Characteristics manuals for these from BitSavers

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and I was interested to read some had a light pen¡­.

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of William Denton via groups.io
Sent: 24 September 2024 17:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Support for 3066 Graphic Terminal

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The /168 console (like the 158 & later) didn't have very many blinky lights. As I recall, just the five above the Interrupt, Start, Stop, Load buttons.

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So, the "not" microfiche viewer was the contraption to the left of the console that looked like a big dual-screen fiche viewer. One of the screens (as I recall, the left one) was an actual fiche viewer. The other one was the replacement for the blinky lights. It had two dials that would select row/.column in a matrix of display choices that would display (in lights behind the (lucite?) screen all the things lights should display -- PSW, regs, current address, etc. in addition to lots and lots of internal stuff...

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Now that I think about it, the front part of the console must have had rotary switches and other buttons to do things like set the location counter, set address stop, etc... Address stop and Inst Step for sure because I remember having to come in on a Sunday afternoon to work with the CE to diagnose and fix a clock comparator bug that I had to stop the machine at a certain location in CP and step thru a few instructions after the CE had set a bunch of probes

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Amazing what's lurking back in the dusty recesses in ones head

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cheers, William
Re: Reserving Modification Numbers

 

Perfect!! Thanks!!
-- William
Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list #VMCE #rexx

 

Personally, I would like to see efforts on EE going into creating a rich enough REXX integration that would allow the "side modes" to be implemented in REXX.like IBM did.
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cheers,
William
Re: What is special about the 3066?

 

From a programming standpoint, the 3066 had different geometry (80x33), different set of buffer orders, and completely different CCWs, interrupts, and sense data. I think IBM only put software support in the operating systems was because the beast was THE system console. Nobody ever thought of it as being a "real" terminal that would run TSO or CICS... CMS was an exception but barely usable... Edit worked in terminal mode only as I recall... In my shop when we had the /168, the 3066 was only used during IPL and doing diagnostic work. In fact, the 168 console was stuck in a back corner of the computer room and all the real operation was done from a bank of real 3270s in the center
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cheers,
William
Re: Support for 3066 Graphic Terminal

 

The /168 console (like the 158 & later) didn't have very many blinky lights. As I recall, just the five above the Interrupt, Start, Stop, Load buttons.
?
So, the "not" microfiche viewer was the contraption to the left of the console that looked like a big dual-screen fiche viewer. One of the screens (as I recall, the left one) was an actual fiche viewer. The other one was the replacement for the blinky lights. It had two dials that would select row/.column in a matrix of display choices that would display (in lights behind the (lucite?) screen all the things lights should display -- PSW, regs, current address, etc. in addition to lots and lots of internal stuff...
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Now that I think about it, the front part of the console must have had rotary switches and other buttons to do things like set the location counter, set address stop, etc... Address stop and Inst Step for sure because I remember having to come in on a Sunday afternoon to work with the CE to diagnose and fix a clock comparator bug that I had to stop the machine at a certain location in CP and step thru a few instructions after the CE had set a bunch of probes
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Amazing what's lurking back in the dusty recesses in ones head
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cheers, William
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