Re: Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
Gary, Pretty sure it presents what you ask to the emulated machines. See the TZOFFSET in ?
? Dave ?
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Sent: 15 October 2022 17:05
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Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)? In regards to this issue, I think it boils down to how Hercules obtains the time/date from the host OS, (Linux, Windows, etc), is it local or UTC? That will affect how VM applies the timezone offset.? In the old days when the hardware was powered on the operator would enter the time and date and would toggle the TOD switch or press the Alt/TOD key combination to set the time register.? For a "warm" start VM would read the time register first and prompt the operator for acceptance.? So the question is what is Hercules holding in its virtual hardware time register and how may it be different from a value that an operator would enter the local time. I experimented with this a long while back and got it right, but I? don't remember what it was for sure.? I think it was just making the timezone offset to UTC, 00:00. Sent from whatever device I am using. -------- Original message -------- Date: 10/15/22 7:40 AM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Another Time Zone Question (Sorta) Bertram (and Jim) ? You don¡¯t say which version of VM you are using! MAINT MEMO B is certainly there on CE1.2 from vm370.org. ? You still create modifications using update, its just on the latest CE we have provided a separate minidisk, so when we update the system you can quickly put your own modifications back. ? For multiple time zones, you can¡¯t just edit the source because you are using UPDATE. You can either have two mods, or just edit your mod. You could even write and EXEC that generates the update and re-builds the nucleus. ? As for learning about the system, well the original manuals are on BITSAVERS here:- ?
? and the various memos and help files describe what has been added. ? In some ways its similar to the CMS in zVM but in other ways its quite different. So most command line commands in vm/370 are still in zVM but you may not need them. Whilst it has REXX the codebase is totally different¡.. ? Dave ? ? Hello Jim, I'm logged into Maint and can't find the file MAINT MEMO *.? The Syspro memo doesn't speak to maint memo.? I can't find the vmsetup command. Like you I would create CP with local mods by modifying the source code using the update command, etc. Where do I start to learn this new system. ? Hello All,
I too, like Jay Maynard, am trying to specify the correct time zone for my location.? I know that DMKSYS is where it's specified, and I know that I want to change?
'SYSTIME ZONE=0,LOC=WEST,ID=GMT' to 'SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT'.? I also know the sequence number is 00220000.
In my past life, I would simply edit DMKSYS ASSEMBLE and be on my way.? Now that I know that's the wrong way to do it, I don't quite know the right way using the E-disk for local mods.
I see that MAINT MEMO B says to use VMSETUP CP to establish the search order.? OK, next I see that DMKLCL CNTRL E identifies where the local changes are (by way of filetype I presume).? ?DMKSYS AUXLCL E should contain an entry like 'LCLnnnDK xxx Change SYSTIME macro to reflect local time zone and ID'.? I don't know what values are supposed to be used for nnn and xxx.? What is the significance of DK? It also appears I need to create a file named 'LCLnnnDK MEMO E' which contains a lengthier description of the modification.? Finally, I assume another file is to be created named 'DMKSYS LCLnnnDK E' that contains:
,/ R 00220000 $ 00220000 1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mm/dd/yy? hh:mm:ss
? ? ? ? ?SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT? ? ? ? ?LCLnnnDK
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.?
After all is done I simply - VMFASM DMKSYS DMKLCL
- CP SPOOL PUN *
- CP SPOOL PRT *
- VMFLOAD CPLOAD DMKLCL
- ORDER READER nnnn (for IPL deck)
- IPL 00C CLEAR
- CLOSE RDR
- ORDER RDR nnnn (for print file)
- READCARD CPLOAD MAP?
- LOGOFF
- Re-IPL.
So, that's where I am.? I hope somebody can correct my assumptions and put me on the path to righteousness. (LOL)
PS - Can I have two SYSTIME statements, one for EST and one for EDT?? Is the alternative to rebuild CP each time change?
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Re: Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
Hi Dave,
In regards to this issue, I think it boils down to how Hercules obtains the time/date from the host OS, (Linux, Windows, etc), is it local or UTC? That will affect how VM applies the timezone offset.?
In the old days when the hardware was powered on the operator would enter the time and date and would toggle the TOD switch or press the Alt/TOD key combination to set the time register.? For a "warm" start VM would read the time register first and prompt the operator for acceptance.?
So the question is what is Hercules holding in its virtual hardware time register and how may it be different from a value that an operator would enter the local time.
I experimented with this a long while back and got it right, but I? don't remember what it was for sure.? I think it was just making the timezone offset to UTC, 00:00.
Regards, Gary
Sent from whatever device I am using.
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-------- Original message -------- From: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> Date: 10/15/22 7:40 AM (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
Bertram (and Jim) ? You don¡¯t say which version of VM you are using! MAINT MEMO B is certainly there on CE1.2 from vm370.org. ? You still create modifications using update, its just on the latest CE we have provided a separate minidisk, so when we update the system you can quickly put your own modifications back. ? For multiple time zones, you can¡¯t just edit the source because you are using UPDATE. You can either have two mods, or just edit your mod. You could even write and EXEC that generates the update and re-builds the nucleus. ? As for learning about the system, well the original manuals are on BITSAVERS here:- ?
? and the various memos and help files describe what has been added. ? In some ways its similar to the CMS in zVM but in other ways its quite different. So most command line commands in vm/370 are still in zVM but you may not need them. Whilst it has REXX the codebase is totally different¡.. ? Dave ? ? Hello Jim, I'm logged into Maint and can't find the file MAINT MEMO *.? The Syspro memo doesn't speak to maint memo.? I can't find the vmsetup command. Like you I would create CP with local mods by modifying the source code using the update command, etc. Where do I start to learn this new system. ? Hello All,
I too, like Jay Maynard, am trying to specify the correct time zone for my location.? I know that DMKSYS is where it's specified, and I know that I want to change?
'SYSTIME ZONE=0,LOC=WEST,ID=GMT' to 'SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT'.? I also know the sequence number is 00220000.
In my past life, I would simply edit DMKSYS ASSEMBLE and be on my way.? Now that I know that's the wrong way to do it, I don't quite know the right way using the E-disk for local mods.
I see that MAINT MEMO B says to use VMSETUP CP to establish the search order.? OK, next I see that DMKLCL CNTRL E identifies where the local changes are (by way of filetype I presume).? ?DMKSYS AUXLCL E should contain an entry like 'LCLnnnDK xxx Change SYSTIME macro to reflect local time zone and ID'.? I don't know what values are supposed to be used for nnn and xxx.? What is the significance of DK? It also appears I need to create a file named 'LCLnnnDK MEMO E' which contains a lengthier description of the modification.? Finally, I assume another file is to be created named 'DMKSYS LCLnnnDK E' that contains:
,/ R 00220000 $ 00220000 1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mm/dd/yy? hh:mm:ss
? ? ? ? ?SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT? ? ? ? ?LCLnnnDK
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.?
After all is done I simply - VMFASM DMKSYS DMKLCL
- CP SPOOL PUN *
- CP SPOOL PRT *
- VMFLOAD CPLOAD DMKLCL
- ORDER READER nnnn (for IPL deck)
- IPL 00C CLEAR
- CLOSE RDR
- ORDER RDR nnnn (for print file)
- READCARD CPLOAD MAP?
- LOGOFF
- Re-IPL.
So, that's where I am.? I hope somebody can correct my assumptions and put me on the path to righteousness. (LOL)
PS - Can I have two SYSTIME statements, one for EST and one for EDT?? Is the alternative to rebuild CP each time change?
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Re: Where can I learn how CMS is different ...
Matthew, Like many other enhancements DIAG58 arrived in the VM/370 extensions packages, SEPP and/or BSEPP as confirmed by ?
? which lists it as a feature included from BSEPP.? So it was available prior to VM/SP but only as a paid-for addition. There was also the EDGAR full screen editor which again was a separate product and which made use of DIAG58. I don¡¯t think it survives. I see VM/SP1 ?and SP2 had EDGAR compatibility code in XEDIT which was removed in SP3¡ ?
? ? Dave ? ?
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Sent: 15 October 2022 15:24
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Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Where can I learn how CMS is different ...? 1. XEDIT is a big difference -- having a full screen editor is great 2. REXX nucleus extensions -- I dont THINK VM/370 could load extensions for REXX 3. Fullscreen utilities, e.g. FLIST.? I don't think fullscreen CMS *ever* caught on though. 4. Shared File System.? Hard to say how useful this is for a single-user system.? Probably not very. I'm sure there are some other big changes that I'm glossing over.? The big enabling change was the DIAG X'58' support for fullscreen commands in CP, which I think happened in VM/SP not VM/370, and that change happened in the early 80s, I think. Modern CMS has more utilities to interoperate in an internet environment, but I'd be hard pressed to say "why CMS" if you tried to figure out today what OS you wanted to use.? I think the most compelling case for VM today is to run hundreds of Linux VMs, but even then I'm not at all convinced of the value proposition.? I certainly can't think of anything that CMS *does best* relative to what you're used to with Windows, Linux, or MacOS. ? Hi, For my edification, I'm wondering how (if at all) CMS on the z/VM system is different from the VM/370/SP version of CMS. Where can I learn more about it?
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#VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list
#VMCE
#rexx
I am using XEDIT and its clones since VM/SP Release 1 up to today ... and counting. EE is great work by Dr. Hans-Walter Latz, but I miss a lot of features that XEDIT and KEDIT have. I have done massive extensions to EE to make it more XEDIT-compatible. A common infrastructure already exists for the SET / QUERY / EXTRACT / MODIFY / TRANSFER subcommands. Actually I am researching how EE could integrate with bREXX.
Having a macro capability powered by REXX is my first wish. The ingredients for the ALL macro will follow (SET SELECT, SET DISPLAY ...).
Do you think it is desirable and feasable to have a decent subset of XEDIT as part of VM/370 CE ?
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Re: Where can I learn how CMS is different ...
1. XEDIT is a big difference -- having a full screen editor is great 2. REXX nucleus extensions -- I dont THINK VM/370 could load extensions for REXX 3. Fullscreen utilities, e.g. FLIST.? I don't think fullscreen CMS *ever* caught on though. 4. Shared File System.? Hard to say how useful this is for a single-user system.? Probably not very.
I'm sure there are some other big changes that I'm glossing over.? The big enabling change was the DIAG X'58' support for fullscreen commands in CP, which I think happened in VM/SP not VM/370, and that change happened in the early 80s, I think.
Modern CMS has more utilities to interoperate in an internet environment, but I'd be hard pressed to say "why CMS" if you tried to figure out today what OS you wanted to use.? I think the most compelling case for VM today is to run hundreds of Linux VMs, but even then I'm not at all convinced of the value proposition.? I certainly can't think of anything that CMS *does best* relative to what you're used to with Windows, Linux, or MacOS.
Hi,
For my edification, I'm wondering how (if at all) CMS on the z/VM system is different from the VM/370/SP version of CMS. Where can I learn more about it?
Thank you,
Bertram Moshier?
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Re: Where can I learn how CMS is different ...
Perhaps you might start here.
CMS User's Guide
VM/370 Release 6
VM/SP Release 5
z/VM 7.3
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Re: Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
I have vague memories of needing to regen CP twice a year under VM/SP HPO 5 because you couldn't dynamically change the timezone.? We'd go in to IPL at 2 or 3 AM with the new nucleus just to change the timezone.? Fun.? Actually, since I was in college at the time, it *WAS* fun.?
I definitely remember writing a CP command to change the *virtual machine* timezone under VM/ESA in the early 90s.? I suspect if you wanted to roll up your sleeves you could rather easily implement a CP SET TIMEZONE command under VM/370 because the data should be easy to overwrite in the nucleus.? However, I don't have a good feel for what that would do to a timer that spans the reset boundary -- if the system clock is in universal time and any timer deadlines are also in universal time it should be fairly safe (which is how I *think* it works).
Bertram (and Jim) ? You don¡¯t say which version of VM you are using! MAINT MEMO B is certainly there on CE1.2 from . ? You still create modifications using update, its just on the latest CE we have provided a separate minidisk, so when we update the system you can quickly put your own modifications back. ? For multiple time zones, you can¡¯t just edit the source because you are using UPDATE. You can either have two mods, or just edit your mod. You could even write and EXEC that generates the update and re-builds the nucleus. ? As for learning about the system, well the original manuals are on BITSAVERS here:- ?
? and the various memos and help files describe what has been added. ? In some ways its similar to the CMS in zVM but in other ways its quite different. So most command line commands in vm/370 are still in zVM but you may not need them. Whilst it has REXX the codebase is totally different¡.. ? Dave ? ? Hello Jim, I'm logged into Maint and can't find the file MAINT MEMO *.? The Syspro memo doesn't speak to maint memo.? I can't find the vmsetup command. Like you I would create CP with local mods by modifying the source code using the update command, etc. Where do I start to learn this new system. ? Hello All,
I too, like Jay Maynard, am trying to specify the correct time zone for my location.? I know that DMKSYS is where it's specified, and I know that I want to change?
'SYSTIME ZONE=0,LOC=WEST,ID=GMT' to 'SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT'.? I also know the sequence number is 00220000.
In my past life, I would simply edit DMKSYS ASSEMBLE and be on my way.? Now that I know that's the wrong way to do it, I don't quite know the right way using the E-disk for local mods.
I see that MAINT MEMO B says to use VMSETUP CP to establish the search order.? OK, next I see that DMKLCL CNTRL E identifies where the local changes are (by way of filetype I presume).? ?DMKSYS AUXLCL E should contain an entry like 'LCLnnnDK xxx Change SYSTIME macro to reflect local time zone and ID'.? I don't know what values are supposed to be used for nnn and xxx.? What is the significance of DK? It also appears I need to create a file named 'LCLnnnDK MEMO E' which contains a lengthier description of the modification.? Finally, I assume another file is to be created named 'DMKSYS LCLnnnDK E' that contains:
,/ R 00220000 $ 00220000 1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mm/dd/yy? hh:mm:ss
? ? ? ? ?SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT? ? ? ? ?LCLnnnDK
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.?
After all is done I simply - VMFASM DMKSYS DMKLCL
- CP SPOOL PUN *
- CP SPOOL PRT *
- VMFLOAD CPLOAD DMKLCL
- ORDER READER nnnn (for IPL deck)
- IPL 00C CLEAR
- CLOSE RDR
- ORDER RDR nnnn (for print file)
- READCARD CPLOAD MAP?
- LOGOFF
- Re-IPL.
So, that's where I am.? I hope somebody can correct my assumptions and put me on the path to righteousness. (LOL)
PS - Can I have two SYSTIME statements, one for EST and one for EDT?? Is the alternative to rebuild CP each time change?
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Re: Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
Bertram (and Jim) ? You don¡¯t say which version of VM you are using! MAINT MEMO B is certainly there on CE1.2 from vm370.org. ? You still create modifications using update, its just on the latest CE we have provided a separate minidisk, so when we update the system you can quickly put your own modifications back. ? For multiple time zones, you can¡¯t just edit the source because you are using UPDATE. You can either have two mods, or just edit your mod. You could even write and EXEC that generates the update and re-builds the nucleus. ? As for learning about the system, well the original manuals are on BITSAVERS here:- ?
? and the various memos and help files describe what has been added. ? In some ways its similar to the CMS in zVM but in other ways its quite different. So most command line commands in vm/370 are still in zVM but you may not need them. Whilst it has REXX the codebase is totally different¡.. ? Dave ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bertram Moshier
Sent: 15 October 2022 05:52
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)? Hello Jim, I'm logged into Maint and can't find the file MAINT MEMO *.? The Syspro memo doesn't speak to maint memo.? I can't find the vmsetup command. Like you I would create CP with local mods by modifying the source code using the update command, etc. Where do I start to learn this new system. ? Hello All,
I too, like Jay Maynard, am trying to specify the correct time zone for my location.? I know that DMKSYS is where it's specified, and I know that I want to change?
'SYSTIME ZONE=0,LOC=WEST,ID=GMT' to 'SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT'.? I also know the sequence number is 00220000.
In my past life, I would simply edit DMKSYS ASSEMBLE and be on my way.? Now that I know that's the wrong way to do it, I don't quite know the right way using the E-disk for local mods.
I see that MAINT MEMO B says to use VMSETUP CP to establish the search order.? OK, next I see that DMKLCL CNTRL E identifies where the local changes are (by way of filetype I presume).? ?DMKSYS AUXLCL E should contain an entry like 'LCLnnnDK xxx Change SYSTIME macro to reflect local time zone and ID'.? I don't know what values are supposed to be used for nnn and xxx.? What is the significance of DK? It also appears I need to create a file named 'LCLnnnDK MEMO E' which contains a lengthier description of the modification.? Finally, I assume another file is to be created named 'DMKSYS LCLnnnDK E' that contains:
,/ R 00220000 $ 00220000 1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mm/dd/yy? hh:mm:ss
? ? ? ? ?SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT? ? ? ? ?LCLnnnDK
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.?
After all is done I simply - VMFASM DMKSYS DMKLCL
- CP SPOOL PUN *
- CP SPOOL PRT *
- VMFLOAD CPLOAD DMKLCL
- ORDER READER nnnn (for IPL deck)
- IPL 00C CLEAR
- CLOSE RDR
- ORDER RDR nnnn (for print file)
- READCARD CPLOAD MAP?
- LOGOFF
- Re-IPL.
So, that's where I am.? I hope somebody can correct my assumptions and put me on the path to righteousness. (LOL)
PS - Can I have two SYSTIME statements, one for EST and one for EDT?? Is the alternative to rebuild CP each time change?
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Where can I learn how CMS is different ...
Hi,
For my edification, I'm wondering how (if at all) CMS on the z/VM system is different from the VM/370/SP version of CMS. Where can I learn more about it?
Thank you,
Bertram Moshier?
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Re: Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
Hello Jim,
I'm logged into Maint and can't find the file MAINT MEMO *.? The Syspro memo doesn't speak to maint memo.? I can't find the vmsetup command.
Like you I would create CP with local mods by modifying the source code using the update command, etc.
Where do I start to learn this new system.
Thank you.
Hello All,
I too, like Jay Maynard, am trying to specify the correct time zone for my location.? I know that DMKSYS is where it's specified, and I know that I want to change?
'SYSTIME ZONE=0,LOC=WEST,ID=GMT' to 'SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT'.? I also know the sequence number is 00220000.
In my past life, I would simply edit DMKSYS ASSEMBLE and be on my way.? Now that I know that's the wrong way to do it, I don't quite know the right way using the E-disk for local mods.
I see that MAINT MEMO B says to use VMSETUP CP to establish the search order.? OK, next I see that DMKLCL CNTRL E identifies where the local changes are (by way of filetype I presume).? ?DMKSYS AUXLCL E should contain an entry like 'LCLnnnDK xxx Change SYSTIME macro to reflect local time zone and ID'.? I don't know what values are supposed to be used for nnn and xxx.? What is the significance of DK? It also appears I need to create a file named 'LCLnnnDK MEMO E' which contains a lengthier description of the modification.? Finally, I assume another file is to be created named 'DMKSYS LCLnnnDK E' that contains:
,/ R 00220000 $ 00220000 1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mm/dd/yy? hh:mm:ss
? ? ? ? ?SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT? ? ? ? ?LCLnnnDK
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.?
After all is done I simply
- VMFASM DMKSYS DMKLCL
- CP SPOOL PUN *
- CP SPOOL PRT *
- VMFLOAD CPLOAD DMKLCL
- ORDER READER nnnn (for IPL deck)
- IPL 00C CLEAR
- CLOSE RDR
- ORDER RDR nnnn (for print file)
- READCARD CPLOAD MAP?
- LOGOFF
- Re-IPL.
So, that's where I am.? I hope somebody can correct my assumptions and put me on the path to righteousness. (LOL)
PS - Can I have two SYSTIME statements, one for EST and one for EDT?? Is the alternative to rebuild CP each time change?
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Re: Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
Hello Dave,
Is it possible to comment out the other TZ?? This way you only need to swap the comment markers for the TZ change?
Bertram Moshier?
Jim, ? As the intention is that the ¡°E¡± disk is for user mods you can use what you like for ¡°nnn¡± and ¡°xxx¡± and you only need a memo in case you forget. Depending on which CE you are using HELP UPDATE or FSHELP UPDATE should get help on the statements. I think your commands are right, I couldn¡¯t sleep, so it¡¯s the middle of the night. You only get one time zone. ? Dave ? ? ? ? Me, too.? I want to have the correct Central Time (CDT and CST). ? Hello All,
I too, like Jay Maynard, am trying to specify the correct time zone for my location.? I know that DMKSYS is where it's specified, and I know that I want to change?
'SYSTIME ZONE=0,LOC=WEST,ID=GMT' to 'SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT'.? I also know the sequence number is 00220000.
In my past life, I would simply edit DMKSYS ASSEMBLE and be on my way.? Now that I know that's the wrong way to do it, I don't quite know the right way using the E-disk for local mods.
I see that MAINT MEMO B says to use VMSETUP CP to establish the search order.? OK, next I see that DMKLCL CNTRL E identifies where the local changes are (by way of filetype I presume).? ?DMKSYS AUXLCL E should contain an entry like 'LCLnnnDK xxx Change SYSTIME macro to reflect local time zone and ID'.? I don't know what values are supposed to be used for nnn and xxx.? What is the significance of DK? It also appears I need to create a file named 'LCLnnnDK MEMO E' which contains a lengthier description of the modification.? Finally, I assume another file is to be created named 'DMKSYS LCLnnnDK E' that contains:
,/ R 00220000 $ 00220000 1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mm/dd/yy? hh:mm:ss
? ? ? ? ?SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT? ? ? ? ?LCLnnnDK
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.?
After all is done I simply - VMFASM DMKSYS DMKLCL
- CP SPOOL PUN *
- CP SPOOL PRT *
- VMFLOAD CPLOAD DMKLCL
- ORDER READER nnnn (for IPL deck)
- IPL 00C CLEAR
- CLOSE RDR
- ORDER RDR nnnn (for print file)
- READCARD CPLOAD MAP?
- LOGOFF
- Re-IPL.
So, that's where I am.? I hope somebody can correct my assumptions and put me on the path to righteousness. (LOL)
PS - Can I have two SYSTIME statements, one for EST and one for EDT?? Is the alternative to rebuild CP each time change?
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Re: Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
Jim, ? As the intention is that the ¡°E¡± disk is for user mods you can use what you like for ¡°nnn¡± and ¡°xxx¡± and you only need a memo in case you forget. Depending on which CE you are using HELP UPDATE or FSHELP UPDATE should get help on the statements. I think your commands are right, I couldn¡¯t sleep, so it¡¯s the middle of the night. You only get one time zone. ? Dave ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bertram Moshier
Sent: 15 October 2022 04:36
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)? Me, too.? I want to have the correct Central Time (CDT and CST). ? Hello All,
I too, like Jay Maynard, am trying to specify the correct time zone for my location.? I know that DMKSYS is where it's specified, and I know that I want to change?
'SYSTIME ZONE=0,LOC=WEST,ID=GMT' to 'SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT'.? I also know the sequence number is 00220000.
In my past life, I would simply edit DMKSYS ASSEMBLE and be on my way.? Now that I know that's the wrong way to do it, I don't quite know the right way using the E-disk for local mods.
I see that MAINT MEMO B says to use VMSETUP CP to establish the search order.? OK, next I see that DMKLCL CNTRL E identifies where the local changes are (by way of filetype I presume).? ?DMKSYS AUXLCL E should contain an entry like 'LCLnnnDK xxx Change SYSTIME macro to reflect local time zone and ID'.? I don't know what values are supposed to be used for nnn and xxx.? What is the significance of DK? It also appears I need to create a file named 'LCLnnnDK MEMO E' which contains a lengthier description of the modification.? Finally, I assume another file is to be created named 'DMKSYS LCLnnnDK E' that contains:
,/ R 00220000 $ 00220000 1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mm/dd/yy? hh:mm:ss
? ? ? ? ?SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT? ? ? ? ?LCLnnnDK
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.?
After all is done I simply - VMFASM DMKSYS DMKLCL
- CP SPOOL PUN *
- CP SPOOL PRT *
- VMFLOAD CPLOAD DMKLCL
- ORDER READER nnnn (for IPL deck)
- IPL 00C CLEAR
- CLOSE RDR
- ORDER RDR nnnn (for print file)
- READCARD CPLOAD MAP?
- LOGOFF
- Re-IPL.
So, that's where I am.? I hope somebody can correct my assumptions and put me on the path to righteousness. (LOL)
PS - Can I have two SYSTIME statements, one for EST and one for EDT?? Is the alternative to rebuild CP each time change?
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Re: Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
Me, too.? I want to have the correct Central Time (CDT and CST).
Thank you.
Hello All,
I too, like Jay Maynard, am trying to specify the correct time zone for my location.? I know that DMKSYS is where it's specified, and I know that I want to change?
'SYSTIME ZONE=0,LOC=WEST,ID=GMT' to 'SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT'.? I also know the sequence number is 00220000.
In my past life, I would simply edit DMKSYS ASSEMBLE and be on my way.? Now that I know that's the wrong way to do it, I don't quite know the right way using the E-disk for local mods.
I see that MAINT MEMO B says to use VMSETUP CP to establish the search order.? OK, next I see that DMKLCL CNTRL E identifies where the local changes are (by way of filetype I presume).? ?DMKSYS AUXLCL E should contain an entry like 'LCLnnnDK xxx Change SYSTIME macro to reflect local time zone and ID'.? I don't know what values are supposed to be used for nnn and xxx.? What is the significance of DK? It also appears I need to create a file named 'LCLnnnDK MEMO E' which contains a lengthier description of the modification.? Finally, I assume another file is to be created named 'DMKSYS LCLnnnDK E' that contains:
,/ R 00220000 $ 00220000 1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mm/dd/yy? hh:mm:ss
? ? ? ? ?SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT? ? ? ? ?LCLnnnDK
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.?
After all is done I simply
- VMFASM DMKSYS DMKLCL
- CP SPOOL PUN *
- CP SPOOL PRT *
- VMFLOAD CPLOAD DMKLCL
- ORDER READER nnnn (for IPL deck)
- IPL 00C CLEAR
- CLOSE RDR
- ORDER RDR nnnn (for print file)
- READCARD CPLOAD MAP?
- LOGOFF
- Re-IPL.
So, that's where I am.? I hope somebody can correct my assumptions and put me on the path to righteousness. (LOL)
PS - Can I have two SYSTIME statements, one for EST and one for EDT?? Is the alternative to rebuild CP each time change?
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Re: Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 08:30 PM, Jim Snellen wrote:
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.?
The earliest manual I could find is this one:
Check Chapter 6. Updating Source Programs Using CMS.
Cheers,
Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Another Time Zone Question (Sorta)
Hello All, I too, like Jay Maynard, am trying to specify the correct time zone for my location.? I know that DMKSYS is where it's specified, and I know that I want to change? 'SYSTIME ZONE=0,LOC=WEST,ID=GMT' to ' SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT'.? I also know the sequence number is 00220000. In my past life, I would simply edit DMKSYS ASSEMBLE and be on my way.? Now that I know that's the wrong way to do it, I don't quite know the right way using the E-disk for local mods. I see that MAINT MEMO B says to use VMSETUP CP to establish the search order.? OK, next I see that DMKLCL CNTRL E identifies where the local changes are (by way of filetype I presume).? ?DMKSYS AUXLCL E should contain an entry like 'LCLnnnDK xxx Change SYSTIME macro to reflect local time zone and ID'.? I don't know what values are supposed to be used for nnn and xxx.? What is the significance of DK? It also appears I need to create a file named 'LCLnnnDK MEMO E' which contains a lengthier description of the modification.? Finally, I assume another file is to be created named 'DMKSYS LCLnnnDK E' that contains: ,/ R 00220000 $ 00220000 1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?mm/dd/yy? hh:mm:ss? ? ? ? ?SYSTIME ZONE=5,LOC=WEST,ID=EDT? ? ? ? ?LCLnnnDK
I'm guessing on the replace statement, I'm sure there's an IBM manual that describes how to code these update statements.? After all is done I simply
- VMFASM DMKSYS DMKLCL
- CP SPOOL PUN *
- CP SPOOL PRT *
- VMFLOAD CPLOAD DMKLCL
- ORDER READER nnnn (for IPL deck)
- IPL 00C CLEAR
- CLOSE RDR
- ORDER RDR nnnn (for print file)
- READCARD CPLOAD MAP?
- LOGOFF
- Re-IPL.
So, that's where I am.? I hope somebody can correct my assumptions and put me on the path to righteousness. (LOL) PS - Can I have two SYSTIME statements, one for EST and one for EDT?? Is the alternative to rebuild CP each time change?
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Re: *** Problem Solved *** Issue #83 Errors with more than 7 arguments given to REXX EXECs, bREXX does not even start
#rexx
#github
#VMCE
I made the mistake to alter the subject of this topic, but then groups.io made a new topic of this.
I recreated my post and deleted the unwanted, but of course I could not recall mail.
Please continue here:
/g/h390-vm/topic/93751298#4327
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Re: *** Problem Solved *** Issue #83 Errors with more than 7 arguments given to REXX EXECs, bREXX does not even start
#rexx
#github
#VMCE
Hi Martin, Excellent news! I have been in the hospital for a surgery, and I was just going to start working on this today. You have saved me a lot of work. Bob Bolch
***** Problem Solved ***????????
VM/370 Community Edition Version? 1 Release? 1.2?? has an outdated saved segment GCCLIB .??????????????????????????????????? ?
Running? GCCSEG?? EXEC???? Y2? as? MAINT? solves this problem.??? ?
CON FILE 1435? TO? MAINT??? COPY 01 NOHOLD???????????????????????? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 06:39:52??????????????????????????????????????? ?
sp con to * start????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.02 06:39:59??????????????????????????????????????? ?
id???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
MAINT??? AT VM370CE? VIA RSCS???? 06:40:11 10/14/22 GMT???? FRIDAY ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 06:40:11??????????????????????????????????????? ?
define storage 16m???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
STORAGE = 16384K?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
CP ENTERED; DISABLED WAIT PSW '00020000 00000000'????????????????? ?
SYSTEM CLEAR?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
STORAGE CLEARED - SYSTEM RESET???????????????????????????????????? ?
IPL CMS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
San Lorenzo's Great Bug Factory??????????????????????????????????? ?
access ( noprof??????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Y (19E) R/O??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 06:41:52??????????????????????????????????????? ?
gccseg f20000 gcclib?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
SYSTEM SAVED?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
GCCSEG COMPLETE??????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Ready; T=0.04/0.12 06:42:46??????????????????????????????????????? ?
sp con to * start close??????????????????????????????????????????? ?
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Re: Issue #83: Errors with more than 7 arguments given to REXX EXECs, bREXX does not even start
#github
#VMCE
#rexx
***** Problem Solved ***????????
VM/370 Community Edition Version? 1 Release? 1.2?? has an outdated saved segment GCCLIB .??????????????????????????????????? ?
Running? GCCSEG?? EXEC???? Y2? as? MAINT? solves this problem.??? ?
CON FILE 1435? TO? MAINT??? COPY 01 NOHOLD???????????????????????? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 06:39:52??????????????????????????????????????? ?
sp con to * start????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.02 06:39:59??????????????????????????????????????? ?
id???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
MAINT??? AT VM370CE? VIA RSCS???? 06:40:11 10/14/22 GMT???? FRIDAY ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 06:40:11??????????????????????????????????????? ?
define storage 16m???????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
STORAGE = 16384K?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
CP ENTERED; DISABLED WAIT PSW '00020000 00000000'????????????????? ?
SYSTEM CLEAR?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
STORAGE CLEARED - SYSTEM RESET???????????????????????????????????? ?
IPL CMS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
San Lorenzo's Great Bug Factory??????????????????????????????????? ?
access ( noprof??????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Y (19E) R/O??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 06:41:52??????????????????????????????????????? ?
gccseg f20000 gcclib?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
SYSTEM SAVED?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
GCCSEG COMPLETE??????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Ready; T=0.04/0.12 06:42:46??????????????????????????????????????? ?
sp con to * start close?????????????????????????????????????????????
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Re: Automatic generation of transcoding tables for IND$FILE
#rexx
#VMCE
A sobering finding: my little tool produces essentially the same results as the already existing file VISTA IND$MAP Y2 on MNT19E. I feel like having reinvented the wheel for the seventh time. So for most users there is a very simple solution:? COPY VISTA IND$MAP Y2 DEFAULT IND$MAP A1? . Such a file does NOT exist on LCM+L's VM/SP 5, though their IND$FILE program is not IBM's ... it behaves EXACTLY like that from the MECAFF tool suite on VM/370 CE.
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.50 14:43:47???????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
l * IND$MAP+ ( l??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Filename Filetype Fm? Format??? Recs Blocks???? Date??? Time?? Label??????????? ?
VISTA??? IND$MAP+ A1? F??? 80???? 98???? 10? 09/23/22?? 14:39? MCF191?????????? ?
ZOC_1047 IND$MAP+ A1? F??? 80???? 98???? 10? 09/23/22?? 14:40? MCF191?????????? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:43:51???????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
comp ZOC_1047 IND$MAP+ A1? VISTA??? IND$MAP+ A1???????????????????????????????? ?
COMPARING 'ZOC_1047 IND$MAP+ A' WITH 'VISTA IND$MAP+ A'.??????????????????????? ?
9D 68?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
9D 68 * bug reported by mfnoel (error: cedille <-> comma), old line was: 9D 6B? ?
DF E1?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
DF E1 * y-trema :: host: lowercase <-> term: uppercase????????????????????????? ?
FILES DO NOT COMPARE.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Ready(00004); T=0.01/0.02 14:44:26????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
listfile VISTA??? IND$MAP? Y2? (label)????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Filename Filetype Fm? Format??? Recs Blocks???? Date??? Time?? Label??????????? ?
VISTA??? IND$MAP? Y2? V??? 78??? 130????? 2? 07/18/13?? 17:04? MNT19E?????????? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 15:02:09???????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
copy VISTA??? IND$MAP? Y2? default? IND$MAP? a1???????????????????????????????? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.02 15:23:23???????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
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Re: VM/SP Release 5 at LCM+L (Living Computers: Museum + Labs)
On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 10:06 PM, Martin Scheffler wrote:
* The LCM+L (including the physical IBM 4361) is shutdown. We've??????????? ?
* gone virtual for now to bring you an emulated VM/SP 5 experience.???????? ?
* (Comparisons to the Ship of Theseus may be appropriate.)????????
That was written?2021-11-11, so it's not news.? Yes?
-ahd-
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Martin Scheffler
Ren¨¦ Ferland
Jim Snellen