Given that most use of groups.io is as a mailing list, rather than a web forum, editing messages makes very little sense and annoys the people who receive copy after copy of the same damn email with "[edited message follows]" stuck to the top.
Thinking of what you want to post before you post it addresses the problem.
-Dave
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On 12/10/21 6:19 PM, Fish Fish wrote: Jesus Christ! You can't even EDIT your messages either?! :(
Sheesh! :(
Fine!
[...]
Instead, I have created a new GitHub Issue containing the patch.
You can download it from there.
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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Jesus Christ! You can't even EDIT your messages either?! :( Sheesh! :( Fine! [...] Instead, I have created a new GitHub Issue containing the patch.
You can download it from there.
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Fish wrote: [...] If you can send me a private email offlist, I will be happy to
send it to you (or anyone else interested in trying it). Forget that. Instead, I have created a new GitHub Issue containing the patch. You can download it from there. Thanks. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Fish Fish
Sent: 10 December 2021 22:41
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Visual studio 2022
Fish wrote:
Marco Antoniotti wrote:
any chances of removing the win32.mak dependency?
It would simplify the process. I'm looking into it. Marco,
I have a patch ready for you to try, but I cannot attach it since this group sadly
does not allow attachments. :(
If you can send me a private email offlist, I will be happy to send it to you (or
anyone else interested in trying it).
You can upload it to the "files" area so those who want to try it can download it. Attachments also count our storage limit and are hard to manage. Thanks.
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
Dave
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Fish,
I set them to moderated. I don't see the notices.
You can upload to files
Dave
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Fish Fish
Sent: 10 December 2021 22:31
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Attachments
Dave Wade wrote:
Folks,
I have disabled attachments as GMAIL seems to block anything any one
attaches. Eh? Gmail certainly does not block all attachments. Only certain types of
attachments:
that-have-attachments
Yes, I admit that, as a software developer, Gmail not allowing one to attach
certain file types can certainly be incredibly annoying, but the point is, it
certainly does not block ALL attachments. Just *some*.
Besides that, not everyone USES gmail either. Those who do not use gmail
certainly wouldn't be blocked.
Members should be allowed to attach certain harmless types of files IMHO,
such as screen shots and .txt files containing JCL or log files, etc (or in my
case, .patch/.diff file).
But to broadly disallow ANY/ALL attachments for EVERYONE -- even those
who don't use gmail -- is ridiculous IMHO. That's extreme overkill IMHO.
There used to be an option in a Groups.IO group's administrative Settings
that an administrator could set to automatically strip attachments from all
messages and replace them with a clickable link instead, but they must have
changed things recently because I don't see that option anymore.
It does however still have a setting that ALLOWS attachments, and I for one
would like to respectfully request that you please reconsider your decision
regarding allowing attachments.
If you want to distribute files please use the files section on the
groups.io web site. Create a folder and store the files in it. There
is also a photos section for your pictures. The file I want to attach is a small .patch file (a TEXT file) and is not (IMO)
appropriate for uploading to the files area. It's not meant to be a permanent
redistributable.
Yes, I could "inline" it in my message, but due to the way email clients format
messages (including Groups.IO itself), there's no guarantee the patch would
be formatted properly. Attaching it in this case is the (IMO) correct way for
dealing with such things.
Respectfully,
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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Because they cause lots of bounces. I set them to moderated and I fail to
see the notices.
You can upload to the files are so only those that want to see them need to
use bandwidth downloading them
Dave
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Fish Fish
Sent: 10 December 2021 22:03
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] Attachments
Why doesn't this group permit attachments?
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Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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Fish wrote: Marco Antoniotti wrote:
any chances of removing the win32.mak dependency?
It would simplify the process. I'm looking into it. Marco, I have a patch ready for you to try, but I cannot attach it since this group sadly does not allow attachments. :( If you can send me a private email offlist, I will be happy to send it to you (or anyone else interested in trying it). Thanks. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Dave Wade wrote: Folks,
I have disabled attachments as GMAIL seems to block anything
any one attaches. Eh? Gmail certainly does not block all attachments. Only certain types of attachments: Yes, I admit that, as a software developer, Gmail not allowing one to attach certain file types can certainly be incredibly annoying, but the point is, it certainly does not block ALL attachments. Just *some*. Besides that, not everyone USES gmail either. Those who do not use gmail certainly wouldn't be blocked. Members should be allowed to attach certain harmless types of files IMHO, such as screen shots and .txt files containing JCL or log files, etc (or in my case, .patch/.diff file). But to broadly disallow ANY/ALL attachments for EVERYONE -- even those who don't use gmail -- is ridiculous IMHO. That's extreme overkill IMHO. There used to be an option in a Groups.IO group's administrative Settings that an administrator could set to automatically strip attachments from all messages and replace them with a clickable link instead, but they must have changed things recently because I don't see that option anymore. It does however still have a setting that ALLOWS attachments, and I for one would like to respectfully request that you please reconsider your decision regarding allowing attachments. If you want to distribute files please use the files section
on the groups.io web site. Create a folder and store the files
in it. There is also a photos section for your pictures. The file I want to attach is a small .patch file (a TEXT file) and is not (IMO) appropriate for uploading to the files area. It's not meant to be a permanent redistributable. Yes, I could "inline" it in my message, but due to the way email clients format messages (including Groups.IO itself), there's no guarantee the patch would be formatted properly. Attaching it in this case is the (IMO) correct way for dealing with such things. Respectfully, -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Why doesn't this group permit attachments?
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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Re: How to enter the cent sign using x3270 on a raspberry pi
I've sort of solved my problem - I typed a whole load of characters into a
text file on my Mac then copied them to my Pi and thence to VM. One of
them turned into a cent in CMS so I can now edit the EXEC on my Mac and
then transfer it to CMS. Thanks fr the help anyway.
It's really not that hard: SET INPUT E0 4A Ready; T=0.01/0.02 19:16:25 EDIT TEST EXEC CASE M INPUT &TYPE This is a cent sign: \ FILE Ready; T=0.05/0.31 19:17:11 EXEC TEST This is a cent sign: ? Ready; T=0.01/0.04 19:17:29 Regards, Peter Coghlan.
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Re: How to enter the cent sign using x3270 on a raspberry pi
I've sort of solved my problem - I typed a whole load of characters into a text file on my Mac then copied them to my Pi and thence to VM. One of them turned into a cent in CMS so I can now edit the EXEC on my Mac and then transfer it to CMS. Thank
s fr the help anyway.
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Re: How to enter the cent sign using x3270 on a raspberry pi
Thanks tor the advice but:
1. the SET INPUT works fine on the command line but doesn't work
within an editor where I need to insert ? (cent) characters into my
EXEC. x3270 doesn't offer a copy/paste option either.
It works in EDIT. Doesn't everyone use EDIT :-) Regards, Peter Coghlan.
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Re: How to enter the cent sign using x3270 on a raspberry pi
Thanks tor the advice but:
1. the SET INPUT works fine on the command line but doesn't work within an editor where I need to insert ? (cent) characters into my EXEC. x3270 doesn't offer a copy/paste option either.
2. I can't get x3270 to find my keymap file. I've tried giving the full path in the -keymap option of x3270 but it says not found even though a ls command with the same full path does find it. I can't locate the base keyap file that x3270 uses either. When I select the 'display current keymap'? menu option it says:
? ?Keymap 'base', from resource x3270.keymap.base'
The linux find command can't seem to find the resource either.??
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Re: How to enter the cent sign using x3270 on a raspberry pi
I need to use cent signs in an IOS3270 screen used by my BREXX exec. Try as I
might I can't see how to do it. x3270 doesn't offer a paste command so I can't
copy/paste from another pi window. The ascii/ebcdic translate used nu x3270
file transfer doesn't preserve cent signs (or many other characters).
Most of the character I need (not, hash, dollar, shriek, backslash etc) are
on the wifi keyboard i'm using, nut cent.
Any ideas?
How about the CMS command SET INPUT? For example: SET INPUT E0 4A Then type a backslash (\). Note that you may see a backslash when entering it in the input area but it should turn into a cent sign after you press an action key. If backslash doesn't work, substitute something else for E0. Regards, Peter Coghlan.
Dave
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Re: How to enter the cent sign using x3270 on a raspberry pi
edit the keymap file.... the cent sign ?is Unicode 00a2... here's an example?which maps it to alt-4 or Ctrl-backslash.. x3270.keymap.mine: #override \
<Key>Escape: Clear()\n\
<Key>End: FieldEnd()\n\
Ctrl<Key>Delete: EraseEOF()\n\
Ctrl<Key>Right: NextWord()\n\
Ctrl<Key>Left: PreviousWord()\n\
Ctrl<Key>Up: Home()\n\
<Key>Control_L: Reset()\n\
<Key>Control_R: Reset()\n\
<Key>Prior: PF(7)\n\
<Key>Next: PF(8)\n\
<Btn3Down>: PA(1)\n\
Ctrl<Key>backslash: Key(U+00a2)\n\
Alt<KeyPress>4: Key(U+00a2) Joe
I need to use cent signs in an IOS3270 screen used by my BREXX exec. Try as I might I can't see how to do it. x3270 doesn't offer a paste command so I can't copy/paste from another pi window. The ascii/ebcdic translate used nu x3270 file transfer doesn't preserve cent signs (or many other characters).
Most of the character I need (not, hash, dollar, shriek, backslash etc) are on the wifi keyboard i'm using, nut cent.
Any ideas?
Dave?
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How to enter the cent sign using x3270 on a raspberry pi
I need to use cent signs in an IOS3270 screen used by my BREXX exec. Try as I might I can't see how to do it. x3270 doesn't offer a paste command so I can't copy/paste from another pi window. The ascii/ebcdic translate used nu x3270 file transfer doesn't preserve cent signs (or many other characters).
Most of the character I need (not, hash, dollar, shriek, backslash etc) are on the wifi keyboard i'm using, nut cent.
Any ideas?
Dave?
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Re: GCC EXEC on S-disk, but Not On Any Other Minidisk?
#VMCE
Mark, So as I thought Paul Edwards ported the utils and he says the sources are here:- ?
? I haven¡¯t verified that when compiled they match the modules on the disk. I will make sure they are included in a future release. Dave ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark A. Stevens via groups.io
Sent: 10 December 2021 01:32
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] GCC EXEC on S-disk, but Not On Any Other Minidisk? #VMCE? On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 02:22 PM, Dave Wade wrote: OK "diff" and "patch" exist so you can use those to maintain "c" files (possibly I haven't tested them).
Thinking about it, I probably didn't do anything about "sys" as I don't think it existed in "C90" so you may have to patch it.
Dave,
I did find DIFF MODULE and PATCH MODULE, but I can not find the source code, on the GCCCMS minidisks, nor the MAINTC minidisks. Not finding any USERs that might be"hiding" those files, either.
I'm looking for the source code, for hints and tips to deal with the problems I am finding, which are basically CMS, or OS: I/O or file related, such as inodes, user and group ids, and so forth.
I just finished reading the GCCMVS TEXT document, and ... wow!
I am beginning to think I am so far down this rabbit hole of trying to make zip/unzip work on CMS, that I might as well just give it up as hopeless, for now.
?... Mark S.
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Re: GCC EXEC on S-disk, but Not On Any Other Minidisk?
#VMCE
Mark, ? CMS is a single user operating system so there are no ¡°user¡± or ¡°group¡± ids. It has no directories, so no inodes. Think MS DOS 2.0. ? You IPL it in a virtual machine, and in that machine, you can do what you like within that machine. If you have write access to a minidisk then you can write anywhere. There is the fudged ¡°mode 0¡± that hides files but its security by obscurity. Its trivial to patch the ACCESS command to show these files. ? I suspect while the help to PATCH and DIFF show directory options these simply don¡¯t work in CMS. There are no directories to put into the command line as ¡°DIR¡±. I will see if I can find out where the source is, it should be included. ? ? ? Dave ? ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark A. Stevens via groups.io
Sent: 10 December 2021 01:32
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] GCC EXEC on S-disk, but Not On Any Other Minidisk? #VMCE? On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 02:22 PM, Dave Wade wrote: OK "diff" and "patch" exist so you can use those to maintain "c" files (possibly I haven't tested them).
Thinking about it, I probably didn't do anything about "sys" as I don't think it existed in "C90" so you may have to patch it.
Dave,
I did find DIFF MODULE and PATCH MODULE, but I can not find the source code, on the GCCCMS minidisks, nor the MAINTC minidisks. Not finding any USERs that might be"hiding" those files, either.
I'm looking for the source code, for hints and tips to deal with the problems I am finding, which are basically CMS, or OS: I/O or file related, such as inodes, user and group ids, and so forth.
I just finished reading the GCCMVS TEXT document, and ... wow!
I am beginning to think I am so far down this rabbit hole of trying to make zip/unzip work on CMS, that I might as well just give it up as hopeless, for now.
?... Mark S.
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Re: GCC EXEC on S-disk, but Not On Any Other Minidisk?
#VMCE
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 02:22 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
OK "diff" and "patch" exist so you can use those to maintain "c" files (possibly I haven't tested them).
Thinking about it, I probably didn't do anything about "sys" as I don't think it existed in "C90" so you may have to patch it.
Dave,I did find DIFF MODULE and PATCH MODULE, but I can not find the source code, on the GCCCMS minidisks, nor the MAINTC minidisks. Not finding any USERs that might be"hiding" those files, either.I'm looking for the source code, for hints and tips to deal with the problems I am finding, which are basically CMS, or OS: I/O or file related, such as inodes, user and group ids, and so forth.
I just finished reading the GCCMVS TEXT document, and ... wow!I am beginning to think I am so far down this rabbit hole of trying to make zip/unzip work on CMS, that I might as well just give it up as hopeless, for now.?... Mark S.
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Re: GCC EXEC on S-disk, but Not On Any Other Minidisk?
#VMCE
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 03:13 PM, Mark A. Stevens wrote:
I didn't see my e-mail with the attachments, or the lack thereof, so I've duplicated the post, mostly, which may show up in this group. It too had attachments. I will try to gather all that into a ZLIB... folder in the group files storage.
The files have been placed in the following folder: ZLIB_and_Other. Link follows. /g/h390-vm/files/ZLIB_and_Other ?... Mark S.
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Dave McGuire
Mark A. Stevens