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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

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Joe,

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Thats the one, and it is a total cludge. The on-line service says its discontinued. ?It goes .boo ->html ->pdf and kevin has stopped developing it

There was another that I think used SENDKEYS to print the things to PDF

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Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Monk
Sent: 21 January 2020 10:24
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

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Dave,

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You mean like this?

?

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Joe

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On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:32 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

There used to be a few sites with the manuals but they have all disappeared. Were the ESA era manuals ever available as PDF?

I think they were only ever BOO files. There was once a tool to convert BOO files to PDF but it seems to have vanished.

?

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of pjfarley3@...
Sent: 21 January 2020 06:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

CP, CMS, Rexx/VM, XEDIT, etc. reference manuals specific to that version of VM, for example, all of which do have VM/ESA in their titles.? Similar to the few scanned manuals that bitsavers has for VM/XA.

?

Sure would be nice if some dedicated soul(s) could just post actual IBM-generated PDF¡¯s for VM/ESA (and other ancient and out-of-service IBM software) to bitsavers, but I don¡¯t know what the legal and/or copyright implications would be for such donations when such manuals (most of them anyway) are still distributed by IBM from its own websites.

?

Information (especially reference information) should be freely available, but then the lawyers come flocking around . . . ?(:

?

I¡¯m managing by DL¡¯ing (and renaming) from the IBM pub site mentioned earlier in this thread.

?

Peter

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Drew Derbyshire
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

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What were you looking for that you didn¡¯t find??

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Note that (for example) RSCS 3.2 does not include VM/ESA in the manual titles. ?

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On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:49 PM <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Thanks, that url worked fine for me.

But as Dave McGuire pointed out, not much from the VM/ESA era.

Peter

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

Oh loads of bitsavers mirrors.?

Try

?

Dave

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?? I tried getting to but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded and does not respond.? Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere?

The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let me browse the directories).

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Peter

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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

Dave,

You mean like this?



Joe


On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:32 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

There used to be a few sites with the manuals but they have all disappeared. Were the ESA era manuals ever available as PDF?

I think they were only ever BOO files. There was once a tool to convert BOO files to PDF but it seems to have vanished.

?

Dave

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of pjfarley3@...
Sent: 21 January 2020 06:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

CP, CMS, Rexx/VM, XEDIT, etc. reference manuals specific to that version of VM, for example, all of which do have VM/ESA in their titles.? Similar to the few scanned manuals that bitsavers has for VM/XA.

?

Sure would be nice if some dedicated soul(s) could just post actual IBM-generated PDF¡¯s for VM/ESA (and other ancient and out-of-service IBM software) to bitsavers, but I don¡¯t know what the legal and/or copyright implications would be for such donations when such manuals (most of them anyway) are still distributed by IBM from its own websites.

?

Information (especially reference information) should be freely available, but then the lawyers come flocking around . . . ?(:

?

I¡¯m managing by DL¡¯ing (and renaming) from the IBM pub site mentioned earlier in this thread.

?

Peter

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Drew Derbyshire
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

What were you looking for that you didn¡¯t find??

?

Note that (for example) RSCS 3.2 does not include VM/ESA in the manual titles. ?

?

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:49 PM <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Thanks, that url worked fine for me.

But as Dave McGuire pointed out, not much from the VM/ESA era.

Peter

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

Oh loads of bitsavers mirrors.?

Try

?

Dave

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?? I tried getting to but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded and does not respond.? Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere?

The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let me browse the directories).

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Peter

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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

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Peter (and others),

I really should read the user guide. If you create a ¡°traditional¡± shelf in the Library Reader Shelf Manager and import the books it shows you the titles.

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of pjfarley3@...
Sent: 21 January 2020 06:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

CP, CMS, Rexx/VM, XEDIT, etc. reference manuals specific to that version of VM, for example, all of which do have VM/ESA in their titles.? Similar to the few scanned manuals that bitsavers has for VM/XA.

?

Sure would be nice if some dedicated soul(s) could just post actual IBM-generated PDF¡¯s for VM/ESA (and other ancient and out-of-service IBM software) to bitsavers, but I don¡¯t know what the legal and/or copyright implications would be for such donations when such manuals (most of them anyway) are still distributed by IBM from its own websites.

?

Information (especially reference information) should be freely available, but then the lawyers come flocking around . . . ?(:

?

I¡¯m managing by DL¡¯ing (and renaming) from the IBM pub site mentioned earlier in this thread.

?

Peter

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Drew Derbyshire
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

What were you looking for that you didn¡¯t find??

?

Note that (for example) RSCS 3.2 does not include VM/ESA in the manual titles. ?

?

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:49 PM <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Thanks, that url worked fine for me.

But as Dave McGuire pointed out, not much from the VM/ESA era.

Peter

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

Oh loads of bitsavers mirrors.?

Try

?

Dave

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?? I tried getting to but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded and does not respond.? Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere?

The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let me browse the directories).

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Peter

--._,_
Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

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There used to be a few sites with the manuals but they have all disappeared. Were the ESA era manuals ever available as PDF?

I think they were only ever BOO files. There was once a tool to convert BOO files to PDF but it seems to have vanished.

?

Dave

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of pjfarley3@...
Sent: 21 January 2020 06:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

CP, CMS, Rexx/VM, XEDIT, etc. reference manuals specific to that version of VM, for example, all of which do have VM/ESA in their titles.? Similar to the few scanned manuals that bitsavers has for VM/XA.

?

Sure would be nice if some dedicated soul(s) could just post actual IBM-generated PDF¡¯s for VM/ESA (and other ancient and out-of-service IBM software) to bitsavers, but I don¡¯t know what the legal and/or copyright implications would be for such donations when such manuals (most of them anyway) are still distributed by IBM from its own websites.

?

Information (especially reference information) should be freely available, but then the lawyers come flocking around . . . ?(:

?

I¡¯m managing by DL¡¯ing (and renaming) from the IBM pub site mentioned earlier in this thread.

?

Peter

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Drew Derbyshire
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

What were you looking for that you didn¡¯t find??

?

Note that (for example) RSCS 3.2 does not include VM/ESA in the manual titles. ?

?

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:49 PM <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Thanks, that url worked fine for me.

But as Dave McGuire pointed out, not much from the VM/ESA era.

Peter

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

Oh loads of bitsavers mirrors.?

Try

?

Dave

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?? I tried getting to but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded and does not respond.? Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere?

The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let me browse the directories).

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Peter

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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

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Drew (and others)

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Well if you actually have the shelf files and open them in the library shelf manager it all works wonderfully. There used to be some CD Images of the collections on-line but they all seem to have gone.

I have quite a few of the CDs if any one wants anything specific please ask off-list.

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Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Drew Derbyshire
Sent: 21 January 2020 05:53
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

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On 1/20/20 6:13 PM, pjfarley3@... wrote:

Yes, they can BUT only one at a time in a long list, and some items in the list are bookmanager shelves and index files that don¡¯t appear to be downloadable.? That¡¯s a lot of clicking and saving.

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Oh well.? I guess I better get clicking before they disappear.

?

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And renaming.? The default download names are worse than useless.

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Re: Fortran I/O

 

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Rene,

Should the GCC libraries be removed? Doesn¡¯t the GCC EXEC set the proper TXTLIB depending on which ¡°C¡± library you are using?

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ren¨¦ Ferland
Sent: 21 January 2020 00:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Fortran I/O

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Hello Steven,

?

I met this problem before. There is a GLOBAL TXTLIB statement in the PROFILE EXEC of CMSUSER that sets the libraries for the compilers. The GCCLIB and FORTLIB are in the list but they both contain a SQRT function. Because GCCLIB comes first in the list, the SQRT of that library is the one used with your FORTRAN program, and it is the wrong one. Peter, however, first set the GLOBAL TXTLIB to FORTLIB only which results in the right SQRT being used at execution.

?

Rene FERLAND, Montreal

?

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?

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Now I can run the heron program but there seems to be an anomaly with the SQRT function in that it is always returning zero.?
Re: Fortran I/O

 


I met this problem before. There is a GLOBAL TXTLIB statement in the
PROFILE EXEC of CMSUSER that sets the libraries for the compilers. The
GCCLIB and FORTLIB are in the list but they both contain a SQRT function.
Because GCCLIB comes first in the list, the SQRT of that library is the one
used with your FORTRAN program, and it is the wrong one. Peter, however,
first set the GLOBAL TXTLIB to FORTLIB only which results in the right SQRT
being used at execution.
Well spotted Rene!

I'd like to claim I had some wonderful insight into the issue but the truth
is that my CMSUSER disk is borked, therefore it's PROFILE EXEC does not run
and that is why I manually typed the GLOBAL TXTLIB command.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

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CP, CMS, Rexx/VM, XEDIT, etc. reference manuals specific to that version of VM, for example, all of which do have VM/ESA in their titles.? Similar to the few scanned manuals that bitsavers has for VM/XA.

?

Sure would be nice if some dedicated soul(s) could just post actual IBM-generated PDF¡¯s for VM/ESA (and other ancient and out-of-service IBM software) to bitsavers, but I don¡¯t know what the legal and/or copyright implications would be for such donations when such manuals (most of them anyway) are still distributed by IBM from its own websites.

?

Information (especially reference information) should be freely available, but then the lawyers come flocking around . . . ?(:

?

I¡¯m managing by DL¡¯ing (and renaming) from the IBM pub site mentioned earlier in this thread.

?

Peter

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Drew Derbyshire
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

What were you looking for that you didn¡¯t find??

?

Note that (for example) RSCS 3.2 does not include VM/ESA in the manual titles. ?

?

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:49 PM <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Thanks, that url worked fine for me.

But as Dave McGuire pointed out, not much from the VM/ESA era.

Peter

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

Oh loads of bitsavers mirrors.?

Try

?

Dave

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?? I tried getting to but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded and does not respond.? Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere?

The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let me browse the directories).

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Peter

--._,_
Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

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On 1/20/20 6:13 PM, pjfarley3@... wrote:

Yes, they can BUT only one at a time in a long list, and some items in the list are bookmanager shelves and index files that don¡¯t appear to be downloadable.? That¡¯s a lot of clicking and saving.

?

Oh well.? I guess I better get clicking before they disappear.

?


And renaming.? The default download names are worse than useless.
Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

What were you looking for that you didn¡¯t find??

Note that (for example) RSCS 3.2 does not include VM/ESA in the manual titles. ?

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 5:49 PM <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Thanks, that url worked fine for me.

?

But as Dave McGuire pointed out, not much from the VM/ESA era.

?

Peter

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

Oh loads of bitsavers mirrors.?

?

Try

?

?


Dave

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On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?? I tried getting to but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded and does not respond.? Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere?

The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let me browse the directories).

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Peter

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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

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Thanks for the tip.? Interesting way to get the list.

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Peter

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Matthew Wilson
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 4:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

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On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:23 AM, Dave Wade wrote:

The ESA V2 manuals can still be downloaded from the publications site...

I've found the best way to get the list of VM/ESA manuals is to search for publication number SK2T-5787-04. When you're viewing the publication information, click the link that says "Click here for an overview of the publications that belong to this publication" and you'll get a nice list of the VM/ESA 2.4 manuals.

-Matthew

Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

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Yes, they can BUT only one at a time in a long list, and some items in the list are bookmanager shelves and index files that don¡¯t appear to be downloadable.? That¡¯s a lot of clicking and saving.

?

Oh well.? I guess I better get clicking before they disappear.

?

Peter

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

The ESA V2 manuals can still be downloaded from the publications site...

?

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Dave

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On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?? I tried getting to but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded and does not respond.? Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere?

?The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let me browse the directories).

?Any help you can provide is appreciated.

?Peter

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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

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Thanks, that url worked fine for me.

?

But as Dave McGuire pointed out, not much from the VM/ESA era.

?

Peter

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 2:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM/ESA era manuals?

?

Oh loads of bitsavers mirrors.?

?

Try

?

?


Dave

?

?

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?? I tried getting to but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded and does not respond.? Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere?

The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let me browse the directories).

Any help you can provide is appreciated.

Peter

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Re: Fortran I/O

 

Hello Steven,

I met this problem before. There is a GLOBAL TXTLIB statement in the PROFILE EXEC of CMSUSER that sets the libraries for the compilers. The GCCLIB and FORTLIB are in the list but they both contain a SQRT function. Because GCCLIB comes first in the list, the SQRT of that library is the one used with your FORTRAN program, and it is the wrong one. Peter, however, first set the GLOBAL TXTLIB to FORTLIB only which results in the right SQRT being used at execution.

Rene FERLAND, Montreal



?

Now I can run the heron program but there seems to be an anomaly with the SQRT function in that it is always returning zero.?
Re: Real and Virtual Printers and Punches and File Transfers

 

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 08:08, Steven Fosdick <stevenfosdick@...> wrote:

Thinking about how I might be able to transfer a simple text file from within CMS to the Hercules host I had the idea that I may be able to send it to the card punch which would should then appear in the a host file but I then discovered that VM virtualises the card punch so when you use the 'punch' command the output is placed in a spool file. Not a great surprise but the spool file is not marked as held and yet I can't seem to find any way to tell the VM spooling system that it should send that file to what it thinks is the real card punch (i.e. the one virtualised by Hercules, not VM). Exactly the same situation applies to the printer.
Other have explained how best to transfer files. But as an aside,
there is nothing to stop you from ATTACHing the "real" card punch
(i.e. the one virtualized by Hercules) to your userid, and thus
avoiding SPOOLing entirely. Obviously this wouldn't work well in a
production environment, but in your private instance of VM no one's
going to complain.

Tony H.
Re: Fortran I/O

 

Hi Steven,


And this works well right up to calculating P. Running this for a classic
3,4,5 triangle gives:

Execution begins...
3 4 5
A= 3 B= 4 C= 5 S= 6.00 P= 36.00 AREA= 0.0
SQUARE UNITS

So I am wondering if I am doing something silly here. SQRTF was not
accepted as an intrinsic function and apparently was replaced with a
generic named version. SQRT doesn't start with one of the characters that
would suggest integer arithmetic so it's a bit of a mystery.
It seems to work ok for me:

global txtlib fortlib
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 23:03:15
fortran heron
FORTRAN IV (G) COMPILATION COMPLETE.
Ready; T=0.15/0.30 23:03:20
filedef ft05f001 term
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 23:03:32
filedef ft06f001 term
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 23:03:40
load heron (start
Execution begins...
3 4 5
A= 3 B= 4 C= 5 S= 6.00 P= 36.00 AREA= 6.00 SQUARE
UNITS

Could you have something called SQRT TEXT on your A disk or some other disk
which might be getting picked up in preference to the SQRT function in
FORTLIB TXTLIB Y where the FORTRAN function library lives?

Regards,
Peter.
Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

On 1/20/20 5:08 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Interesting. I can not imagine why that crowd of <DELETED!> boobs
would want to do that to your end. As for Bitsavers, I usually go to
the site behind (FTP that is.)

Now why is there a big caravan of blue trucks heading your way, Dave?
They're bringing more hardware!

The latest bit of IBM gear I'm looking at has great big servo-motors.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

Hello!
Interesting. I can not imagine why that crowd of <DELETED!> boobs
would want to do that to your end. As for Bitsavers, I usually go to
the site behind (FTP that is.)

Now why is there a big caravan of blue trucks heading your way, Dave?
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 2:03 PM Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:

On 1/20/20 1:57 PM, pjfarley3@... wrote:
Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?
I tried getting to bitsavers.org but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded
and does not respond. Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere?

The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers
directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let
me browse the directories).

Any help you can provide is appreciated.
The primary bitsavers.org site has been having problems for the past
couple of days. It started at about the same time that my own network
started getting hit by a rather substantial denial-of-service attack
originating in Iran, sigh.

There are bitsavers mirrors everywhere, google "bitsavers mirror". I
don't think there's anything as recent as ESA on there, though.

I have a few dozen VM/ESA manuals in PDF format that I can tar up for
you if that would be helpful.

-Dave
Re: Fortran I/O

 

Thanks, Peter.

Now I can run the heron program but there seems to be an anomaly with the SQRT function in that it is always returning zero.? The latest?incarnation of the program is now:

C AREA OF A TRIANGLE WITH A STANDARD SQUARE ROOT FUNCTION
C INPUT - TAPE READER UNIT 5, INTEGER INPUT
C OUTPUT - LINE PRINTER UNIT 6, REAL OUTPUT
C INPUT ERROR DISPLAY ERROR OUTPUT CODE 1 IN JOB CONTROL LISTING
? ? ? READ (5, 501) IA, IB, IC
? 501 FORMAT (3I5)
C IA, IB, AND IC MAY NOT BE NEGATIVE OR ZERO
C FURTHERMORE, THE SUM OF TWO SIDES OF A TRIANGLE
C MUST BE GREATER THAN THE THIRD SIDE, SO WE CHECK FOR THAT, TOO
? ? ? IF (IA .LE. 0) ? ? STOP 1
? 701 IF (IB .LE. 0) ? ? STOP 1
? 702 IF (IC .LE. 0) ? ? STOP 1
? 703 IF (IA+IB .LT. IC) STOP 1
? 704 IF (IA+IC .LT. IB) STOP 1
? 705 IF (IB+IC .LT. IA) STOP 1
C USING HERON'S FORMULA WE CALCULATE THE
C AREA OF THE TRIANGLE
? ? ? S = FLOAT(IA + IB + IC) / 2.0
? ? ? P = S * (S - FLOAT(IA)) * (S - FLOAT(IB)) * (S - FLOAT(IC))
? ? ? AREA = SQRT (P)
? ? ? WRITE (6, 601) IA, IB, IC, S, P, AREA
? 601 FORMAT (4H A= ,I5,4H B= ,I5,4H C= ,I5,4H S= F10.2,4H P= ,F10.2,
? ? ?+ ? ? ? ?7H AREA= ,F10.2,13H SQUARE UNITS)
? ? ? STOP
? ? ? END

And this works well right up to calculating P.? Running this for a classic 3,4,5 triangle gives:

Execution begins...
? ? 3 ? ?4 ? ?5
A= ? ? 3 B= ? ? 4 C= ? ? 5 S= ? ? ? 6.00 P= ? ? ?36.00 AREA= ? ? ? 0.0 ?SQUARE UNITS

So I am wondering if I am doing something silly here.? SQRTF was not accepted as an intrinsic function and apparently was replaced with a generic named version.? SQRT doesn't start with one of the characters that would suggest integer arithmetic so it's a bit of a mystery.

Running the same program on GNU Fortran on Linux produces sensible looking output:

$ ./heron
? ? 3 ? ?4 ? ?5
?A= ? ? 3 B= ? ? 4 C= ? ? 5 S= ? ? ? 6.00 P= ? ? ?36.00 AREA= ? ? ? 6.00 SQUARE UNITS

Steve.





On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 17:42, Peter Coghlan <groups@...> wrote:
Hi Steven,

>
> Searching, unit 5 should be keyboard/standard input so I was expecting the
> program to wait for a line at the terminal.? If I work around the input by
> hard coding some values so the the input part becomes:
>

CMS "borrowed" the FORTRAN compiler from MVS.? You will need FILEDEF statements
to associate MVS DDNAMEs and FORTRAN unit numbers with files or devices,
for example (untested):

FILEDEF FT05F001 TERM
FILEDEF FT06F001 DISK OUTPUT FILE A

>
> Now the output seems to be discarded.? It isn't printed to the terminal,
> isn't queued for punch or printer and isn't in a file that I can see.
>

Have a look around for a file called FILE FT06F001 A or something like that.

>
>
> Interestingly the same issue with discarded output seems to happen with the
> supplied hello fortran program.
>

Are they run from an EXEC which contains suitable FILEDEF statements?

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
Re: VM/ESA era manuals?

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:23 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
The ESA V2 manuals can still be downloaded from the publications site...
I've found the best way to get the list of VM/ESA manuals is to search for publication number SK2T-5787-04. When you're viewing the publication information, click the link that says "Click here for an overview of the publications that belong to this publication" and you'll get a nice list of the VM/ESA 2.4 manuals.

-Matthew
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