Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Mark A. Stevens wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 04:02 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get
a copy of?
The other part of your requested changes have been completed.
The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format
request. I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks. In Files, in the folder VMWORKSHOP is a zip file of the 1987 VM
Workshop Tools Tape. You would need to have BLOCKTAP ON to view
any of the files beyond the first one, using vmfplc2. I wasn't aware that a tape could contain mixed formats! That throws a whole new monkey wrench into things. The Hercules VMFPLC2 utility isn't currently designed to handle that situation. I guess I have more work cut out for me than I originally anticipated. :( In any case, thank you Mark. Much appreciated. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list
#VMCE
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Personally, I like the split screen feature in XEDIT. ?It is especially handy when I use a 43 line terminal definition. ?For copy/paste operations it is really nice to be able to navigate different sections of the files. ?I only have ever used two virtual screens though.
I really do appreciate your efforts in incorporating XEDIT functions into EE. ?Keep up the good work.
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On Sep 19, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Martin Scheffler via groups.io <San-Lorenzo@...> wrote:
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I need your feedback: is it important to have XEDIT's SET SCREEN command in EE ?
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XEDIT allows to divide the physical screen into multiple logical screens. Multiple files are visible at the same time, or a file is visible in multiple views. THE (The Hessling Editor) has implemented this, KEDIT for Windows partially.
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This is a big change to EE's infrastructure, the question is to do it now or to do it never.
Martin
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Further reading:
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VM/SP 5 at SDFVM ( planet.sdf.org:24 ) : HELP SET SCREEN
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http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/370/VM/SP/Release_1/
? ? SC24-5220-0_VM_SP_System_Product_Editor_Users_Guide_Jul80.pdf
? ? ? ? ? IBM VM/SP System Product Editor User's Guide : Multiple Logical Screens p. 5-3
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http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/370/VM/SP/Release_2_Jun82/
? ? SC24-5221-1_VM_SP_System_Product_Editor_Command_and_Macro_Reference_Rel_2_Mar82.pdf
? ? ? ? ? IBM VM/SP: System Product Editor Command and Macro Reference p. 3-149
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https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/730pdfs/73633800.pdf
? ? SC24-6338-73 z/VM: 7.3 XEDIT User's Guide : Multiple Logical Screens p. 87
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https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/730pdfs/73633700.pdf
? ? SC24-6337-73 z/VM: 7.3 XEDIT Commands and Macros Reference : SET SCREEN p. 349
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 04:02 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get a copy of?
The other part of your requested changes have been completed. The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format request. I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks.
In Files, in the folder VMWORKSHOP is a zip file of the 1987 VM Workshop Tools Tape. You would need to have BLOCKTAP ON to view any of the files beyond the first one, using vmfplc2.
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I Hope This Helps.
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On Thu, 19 Sept 2024, 21:36 Mark A. Stevens via , <marXtevens= [email protected]> wrote: Dave Wade,
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Way back in 2019, you uploaded TOOLSTAPE.zip which has a bunch of interesting files, but I didn't find any e-mail reference as to what or why.
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Do you remember that far back, that you can explain what the tape was intended for?
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 04:02 PM, Fish Fish wrote:
Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get a copy of?
The other part of your requested changes have been completed. The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format request. I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks.
I am uploading a zipped AWS tape which requires BLOCKTAP ON for vmfplc2 to scan beyond the first file.
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Look for 1987.87TL.AWS.zip in a VMWORKSHOP folder.
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?... Mark S
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Re: #VMCE #rexx EE goes XEDIT - compiling a wish list
#VMCE
#rexx
I need your feedback: is it important to have XEDIT's SET SCREEN command in EE ?
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XEDIT allows to divide the physical screen into multiple logical screens. Multiple files are visible at the same time, or a file is visible in multiple views. THE (The Hessling Editor) has implemented this, KEDIT for Windows partially.
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This is a big change to EE's infrastructure, the question is to do it now or to do it never.
Martin
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Further reading:
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VM/SP 5 at SDFVM ( planet.sdf.org:24 ) : HELP SET SCREEN
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http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/370/VM/SP/Release_1/
? ? SC24-5220-0_VM_SP_System_Product_Editor_Users_Guide_Jul80.pdf
? ? ? ? ? IBM VM/SP System Product Editor User's Guide : Multiple Logical Screens p. 5-3
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http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/ibm/370/VM/SP/Release_2_Jun82/
? ? SC24-5221-1_VM_SP_System_Product_Editor_Command_and_Macro_Reference_Rel_2_Mar82.pdf
? ? ? ? ? IBM VM/SP: System Product Editor Command and Macro Reference p. 3-149
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https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/730pdfs/73633800.pdf
? ? SC24-6338-73 z/VM: 7.3 XEDIT User's Guide : Multiple Logical Screens p. 87
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https://www.vm.ibm.com/library/730pdfs/73633700.pdf
? ? SC24-6337-73 z/VM: 7.3 XEDIT Commands and Macros Reference : SET SCREEN p. 349
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
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Dave Wade,
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Way back in 2019, you uploaded TOOLSTAPE.zip which has a bunch of interesting files, but I didn't find any e-mail reference as to what or why.
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Do you remember that far back, that you can explain what the tape was intended for?
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?... Mark S.
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Gregg Levine wrote: [...] What's that bubbly noise coming from a flat in a
soggy part of the Pacific NW? Oh right it is an
aerator in a large fish tank. An aerator? Cool! My wife will be glad to hear that! (She has asthma.) Thanks, Gregg! ;-) -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Check your system for malware then?
It contained a link to "mail (dot) onelink (dot) me" that, upon searching the web, appears to *possibly* be malware related? (not sure)
(Or is that just your email signature?)
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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Disregard i don¡¯t even remember sending an email
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2024, 6:21 PM, Fish Fish
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I beg your pardon? "In"? What is that supposed to mean?
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Software Development Laboratories
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Hello! I don't know either, amazing individual in scales and fins. Also and this a word to the group for this thread only, it is temporarily being moderated. Strange? What's that bubbly noise coming from a flat in a soggy part of the Pacific NW? Oh right it is an aerator in a large fish tank. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature was present when the impossible happened 23 years ago, twice." On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 8:21?PM Fish Fish via groups.io <david.b.trout@...> wrote:
laddiehanus wrote:
In I beg your pardon? "In"? What is that supposed to mean?
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Disregard i don¡¯t even remember sending an email
On Tuesday, September 17, 2024, 6:21 PM, Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...> wrote: laddiehanus wrote: > In I beg your pardon? "In"? What is that supposed to mean? -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
laddiehanus wrote: In I beg your pardon? "In"? What is that supposed to mean? -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Mark Waterbury wrote: Hi, Fish,
That BLOCKTAP thing is like an MS-DOS TSR -- you start it up,
then it remains active and any commands you use to read or write
a tape go through BLOCKTAP.
So, all you need to do to "test" it is ... I'm not interested in testing BLOCKTAP. to load it, then have a blank tape attached, and do a TAPE DUMP
or VMFPLC2 DUMP of some stuff. Then, rewind the tape, then
attempt to read the tape, e.g. TAPE LOAD or VMFPLC2 LOAD. So are you volunteering to do the first part of that for me and then send me the resulting tape? -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Hi, Fish,
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That BLOCKTAP thing is like an MS-DOS TSR -- you start it up, then it remains active and any commands you use to read or write a tape go through BLOCKTAP.??
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So, all you need to do to "test" it is to load it, then have a blank tape attached, and do a TAPE DUMP or VMFPLC2 DUMP of some stuff.? ?Then, rewind the tape, then attempt to read the tape, e.g. TAPE LOAD or VMFPLC2 LOAD.
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HTH,
Mark S. Waterbury
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2024, 3:02 PM, Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...> wrote: Dave Wade wrote:
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> I think that¡¯s a good compromise. Have an auto generated control
> is a big plus. One last wish. Would it be possible to support tapes
> written using BLOCKTAP. We have quite a few tapes written using this....
Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get a copy of?
The other part of your requested changes have been completed. The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format request. I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks.
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
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Re: Workshop Tapes - was Re: Examine RDR Files
Dave Wade wrote: [...] I think that¡¯s a good compromise. Have an auto generated control
is a big plus. One last wish. Would it be possible to support tapes
written using BLOCKTAP. We have quite a few tapes written using this.... Do you (or anyone else) have such a tape that I could get a copy of? The other part of your requested changes have been completed. The only thing remaining is the support for BLOCKTAP format request. I'd like to have one I could test with. Thanks. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: link error under vm370CE_1_1_2
Dave, Thank you very much.,? That cleared the problems, now to test the app.
Thank you /com c
Tom, You need to switch libraries. You said to use the ¡°gcclib¡± include files, then linked it against PDPCLIB. Try ¡°global txtlib gcclib¡± before the load Dave ? ? I testing a "C" program using gcc in VM370CE_1_1_2.? It compiles clean, but when I load it, I have two undefined DSTAKIN and DSTAKOT.? Researching it appears to be something with the stack.? I am using the following: Is there a library or include file that I need to add to clear these errors.
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Re: link error under vm370CE_1_1_2
Tom, You need to switch libraries. You said to use the ¡°gcclib¡± include files, then linked it against PDPCLIB. Try ¡°global txtlib gcclib¡± before the load Dave ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tom Chandler via groups.io
Sent: 17 September 2024 21:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] link error under vm370CE_1_1_2? I testing a "C" program using gcc in VM370CE_1_1_2.? It compiles clean, but when I load it, I have two undefined DSTAKIN and DSTAKOT.? Researching it appears to be something with the stack.? I am using the following: Is there a library or include file that I need to add to clear these errors.
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link error under vm370CE_1_1_2
I testing a "C" program using gcc in VM370CE_1_1_2.? It compiles clean, but when
I load it, I have two undefined DSTAKIN and DSTAKOT.? Researching it appears to be
something with the stack.? I am using the following:
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I am using two includes:
stdio.h
stdlib.h
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gcc sc1 ( cms? and then
load sc1
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Is there a library or include file that I need to add to clear these errors.
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Thank you
Tom C.
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Re: Contributing to, Building, and Maintaining VM370CE
#VMCE
In my young years, I was a mundane class G user only. At the end of my real mainframe life, i had the job to work through a list of bugs in the IBM PASCAL compiler and fix them.? IBM PASCAL was an essential tool at our shop (DBSTU1 on EARN/BITNET), it was used for critical system extensions, namely FILESTOR (anyone heard of that ?). When I left the mainframe world, VM/SP 4 was current.
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Since then, the feeling of VM continued somehow by a bunch of XEDIT clones (including REXX of course): KEDIT on MS-DOS, OS/2 Warp, MS-Windows 3.11 up to Windows 10, Linux/Wine, ReactOS. Then THE (The Hessling Editor) on Linux and on Solaris UNIX. I was unable to learn vi or EMACS, I could not find the power I was used to. I ended up compiling from sources THE, XCurses and Regina to have a decent editor on Solaris UNIX.
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Nearly 35 years after leaving the real mainframe world, I finally managed to get Hercules and VM/370 Community Edition V1R1.2 alive and kicking. Everything beyond class G was new to me. In the process of understanding the internals of EE and adding new features like the macro capability or loading EE into high memory, I have travelled through almost all maintenance and development userids on VM/370CE. Sometime for bugs where EE was not the culprit like the GCCLIB segment forgotten to re-save.
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Great infrastructure work has been done by the VM/370 community before, see . Now EE can exploit it ! As far as I have mastered major obstacles, I would say many, many features introduced with XEDIT on VM/SP are possible to do. Melinda Varian wrote "There can be no question that by releasing Xedit in 1980, IBM gave CMS a new lease on life" in her famous paper "VM AND THE VM COMMUNITY: Past, Present, and Future". I think EE can have a similar future in VM/370CE. It is a matter of time ... and health, my health.
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I am willing to learn about building a complete VM/370 Community Edition, but I need support to find out what to learn and where to learn. Travelling through MAINT's USER DIRECT is a long journey ...
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Martin
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(The following excerpt is an example of EE's new ALL command)
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USER ALGOL NOLOG 2M 2M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER ASSIST ASSIST 15M 16M G ? ? ? ? ??
USER AUTOLOG1 AUTOLOG1 2M 16M ABCDEFGH?
USER BREXX NOLOG 15M 16M BG ? ? ? ? ? ?
USER FORTRAN NOLOG 15M 16M BG ? ? ? ? ?
USER CMSBATCH CMSBATCH 8M 8M G ? ? ? ??
USER CMSUSER CMSUSER 15M 16M G ? ? ? ??
USER CMS67 CMS67 512K 8M G ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER CMS67M CMS67M 512K 16M ABCDEG ? ??
USER COBOL NOLOG 8M 8M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER CPWATCH CPWATCH 4M 4M EG ? ? ? ? ?
USER DOSSTART DOSSTART 2M 16M G ? ? ? ?
USER DOSVS DOSVS 8M 16M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
USER GCCCMS GCCCMS 15M 16M BG ? ? ? ? ?
USER KICKS KICKS 14M 16M G ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER MAINT CPCMS 15M 16M ABCDEFGH ? ? ?
USER MAINTC MAINTC 15M 16M G ? ? ? ? ??
USER MECAFF MECAFF 14M 16M G ? ? ? ? ??
USER OPERATOR OPERATOR 2M 16M ABCDEFGH?
USER OSBASIC NOLOG 8M 8M G ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER PASCAL PASCAL 8M 8M G ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER PLI NOLOG 8M 8M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER PL360 NOLOG 2M 2M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER RPG NOLOG 2M 2M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER RSCS RSCS 2M 16M ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
USER RSCS1 RSCS1 2M 16M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
USER RSCSTST RSCSTST 2M 16M G ? ? ? ? ?
USER SCRIPT NOLOG 8M 8M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
USER TAPEMAP NOLOG 2M 10M G ? ? ? ? ? ?
USER WAKEUP WAKEUP 15M 16M ABCDEG ? ? ?
USER WATFIV NOLOG 4M 16M G ? ? ? ? ? ??
USER XCOMPARE NOLOG 2M 8M G ? ? ? ? ? ?
USER MVS MVS 8M 16M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
USER XNET XNET 16M 16M G ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
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Jim Snellen
Mark A. Stevens
Martin Scheffler