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Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Hello!
Jim just for everyone's benefit, but also mine, can you restate all of
your steps? I still run the original system when I feel I need to do
something. Presupposing that the tools to do so are available on that
one I would need to know what those were.
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On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 10:56?PM Jim Snellen via groups.io
<jsnellen55@...> wrote:

Yay! I finally got CMS saved.

The command I used from MAINT was 'IPL 190 CL PARM SAVESYS CMS'.

The Shared S-STAT message no longer displays whenever a user machine logs on.

Case closed.
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Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Yay! I finally got CMS saved.
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The command I used from MAINT was 'IPL 190 CL PARM SAVESYS CMS'.
?
The Shared S-STAT message no longer displays whenever a user machine logs on.
?
Case closed.
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Eddy,
Thanks! I have both of those manuals and I¡¯ll check them again for the rebuild steps.

Jim
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

I suggest you look on bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/vm/sp/release_6_Jul88 and get SC19-6201-06 (VM SP 6 planning guide) and SC24-5237-4? ( VM SP 6 installation guide) as you appear to be using VMSPR6.
As I remember it the basic idea of how to rebuild CP and CMS didn't change much as VM moved from VM/370 to VMSP releases 1 to 6, but they introduced newer procedures to automate and obfuscate what was happening.?
Eddy Balem
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

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Not sure what the problem is without knowing some more information.Size of CMSUSER? 2M, 8M, 16M?
Directory entry for CMSUSER is 1024K

After saving, did you have MAINT do IPL CMS? What happened?
Just tried and got this:

ipl cms ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
PRT FILE 0056 ?TO ?MAINT ? ?COPY 001 ? NOHOLD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?20:05:13 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?MSG FROM MAINT ? : DMSFRM166T Unexpected error in free storage management routine (internal error code 99), re-IPL CMS. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?20:05:14 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?MSG FROM MAINT ? : DMSABN1297I DUMP HAS BEEN TAKEN ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
DMKDSP450W CP entered; disabled wait PSW '00020000 40E59740' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? CP READ ? VMSPR6

MAINT directory size is 16m.? IPL 190 works fine though.
I'll be happy to provide any info. needed.
Ready; T=0.02/0.05 20:27:17 ? ? ? ?
q cplevel ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
VM/SP RELEASE 6, SERVICE LEVEL 601 ?
GENERATED AT 07/17/24 19:47:44 EDT ?
IPL AT 07/18/24 22:22:10 EDT ? ? ? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 20:27:22 ? ? ? ?
q cmslevel ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
VM/SP Release 6, Service Level 601 ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 20:27:28 ? ??? ??

Jim
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 12:10 PM, Jim Snellen wrote:
I¡¯ve already downloaded the available PDFs from bitsavers for release 6. Looking at the bibliography of some of those documents suggest there are others that hopefully someone might have.
Also, if anyone can provide the steps I need to resolve my issue, it will be greatly appreciated.
Not sure what the problem is without knowing some more information.Size of CMSUSER? 2M, 8M, 16M?
After saving, did you have MAINT do IPL CMS? What happened?
?
However, you might also look at Melinda Varian's reference:
?
?... Mark S.
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Thanks everyone!
I¡¯ve already downloaded the available PDFs from bitsavers for release 6. Looking at the bibliography of some of those documents suggest there are others that hopefully someone might have.
Also, if anyone can provide the steps I need to resolve my issue, it will be greatly appreciated.

Jim
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 


On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 12:22?PM Mark Waterbury via <mark.s.waterbury=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi, Jim,
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There are many VM/SP manuals here --
?
? ?
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You did not mention what version or release of VM/SP you are looking for?
?
Hope that helps,
?
Mark



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Jeff Henry
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Hi, Jim,
?
There are many VM/SP manuals here --
?
? ?bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/VM/SP/
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You did not mention what version or release of VM/SP you are looking for?
?
Hope that helps,
?
Mark
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

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Good morning,

You are looking for VM/SP documentation 5664-167.

A newer version of

CP Commands and Utilities Reference

Can be found here:

?

DEFSYS and SAVESYS are described.

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Snellen
Sent: Samstag, 20. Juli 2024 05:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

?

Hello,?

I'm needing a manual for 5664-167, 'CP System Command Reference SC24-5402', - OR - a solution.

?

I stumbled upon a process to rebuild CP and was successful in assembling DMKSYS and DMKRIO using 'VMFFASM DMKxxx 5664167E' followed by 'VMFBLD 5664167E' (CP).

?

I added two modules to MAINT's 190 disk and now I'm getting the ''shared S-stat message' logging on to CMSUSER.

?

If I issue?

'VMFBLD 5664167E' (CMS) I get

.

.

.

DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JC ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS5QE. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JD ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS4HZ. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JG ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS5PR. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing CPYSDSK ?with the part handler VMFBDCPY EXEC.
DMSBLD1851I Processing CMSLOAD ?with the part handler VMFBDNUC EXEC.
SYSTEM LOAD DECK COMPLETE ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
PUN FILE 0054 ?TO ?MAINT ? ?COPY 001 ? NOHOLD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSINQ082E IPL device error; reenter ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
DMSINQ608R IPL device address =

(press Enter)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??

VM/SP Release 6 07/19/24 23:19 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
MAINT ? ?AT VMSPR6 ? VIA * ? ? ? ?07/19/24 23:24:18 EDT ? ? ?FRIDAY?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 23:24:18 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
savesys cms ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
SYSTEM SAVED ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.03 23:24:26 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??

?

It's been too long and I can't remember how to address this issue but I think the answer is doing a SAVESYS.

?

When I log onto CMSUSER, the user machine is unresponsive but will answer to CP commands.? It doesn't like to IPL CMS!

?

?

?
Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Hello,?
I'm needing a manual for 5664-167, 'CP System Command Reference SC24-5402', - OR - a solution.
?
I stumbled upon a process to rebuild CP and was successful in assembling DMKSYS and DMKRIO using 'VMFFASM DMKxxx 5664167E' followed by 'VMFBLD 5664167E' (CP).
?
I added two modules to MAINT's 190 disk and now I'm getting the ''shared S-stat message' logging on to CMSUSER.
?
If I issue?
'VMFBLD 5664167E' (CMS) I get
.
.
.
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JC ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS5QE. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JD ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS4HZ. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JG ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS5PR. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing CPYSDSK ?with the part handler VMFBDCPY EXEC.
DMSBLD1851I Processing CMSLOAD ?with the part handler VMFBDNUC EXEC.
SYSTEM LOAD DECK COMPLETE ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
PUN FILE 0054 ?TO ?MAINT ? ?COPY 001 ? NOHOLD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSINQ082E IPL device error; reenter ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
DMSINQ608R IPL device address =
(press Enter)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
VM/SP Release 6 07/19/24 23:19 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
MAINT ? ?AT VMSPR6 ? VIA * ? ? ? ?07/19/24 23:24:18 EDT ? ? ?FRIDAY?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 23:24:18 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
savesys cms ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
SYSTEM SAVED ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.03 23:24:26 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
?
It's been too long and I can't remember how to address this issue but I think the answer is doing a SAVESYS.
?
When I log onto CMSUSER, the user machine is unresponsive but will answer to CP commands.? It doesn't like to IPL CMS!
?
?
?
Re: Anyone have experience in extending VM/CE under Hercules worldwide?

 

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For auto tape mounts (and other Operator requests), I would look at the 'AutoMount' member of the Waterloo Mods Tapes. This predates even VMCF and I would look to update it to use VMCF. I don't think you need to take it as far as IUCV. If Hercules Automated Operator (HAO) can grab some messages from an authorized SVM (autoop), then requested items can be mounted, autoop notified and item verification can be done before handing the item off to the requestor.

Tom Kern

On 7/19/2024 10:12 AM, Mark A. Stevens via groups.io wrote:

* Extend printers to their computer and local printers. ?Thought is the HercPRT program.
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There is also virtual1403 on Github.
?
* Is there an auto tape mount feature?
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Someone on the Discord channel I have mentioned before, was working on such a thing. Don't know the status.
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A lot of what you are asking for seemed to depend on IUVC, which showed up in SP 3.
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31-bit would pretty much be a total rewrite of VM (VM/XA).
?
Again, this is all from memory. Forgive the errors, and please ask questions.
?
?... Mark S.
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Re: Anyone have experience in extending VM/CE under Hercules worldwide?

 

* Extend printers to their computer and local printers. ?Thought is the HercPRT program.
?
There is also virtual1403 on Github.
?
* Is there an auto tape mount feature?
?
Someone on the Discord channel I have mentioned before, was working on such a thing. Don't know the status.
?
A lot of what you are asking for seemed to depend on IUVC, which showed up in SP 3.
?
31-bit would pretty much be a total rewrite of VM (VM/XA).
?
Again, this is all from memory. Forgive the errors, and please ask questions.
?
?... Mark S.
Re: Is it possible to start VM/CE unattended?

 

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 09:18 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?
Moshix on Youtube has videos about numerous IT things. He also has systems, I believe some can log into, so he's got experience with this.
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You could also explore, besides the other suggestions, use of DIAG8 in Hercules, as it allows some communication with the OS running on it, and the OS it runs on, if I remember correctly.
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I sent you an invitation to a Discord group which has a bunch of old and new mainframers with all kinds of experience, which may prove useful. Anyone else wanting such an invitation, DM me. The invite expires 7 days after issuance.
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Hercules Automated Operator (HAO) exists, and can invoke scripts based on Hercules messages it sees.

I'm not near my system, so this is all from memory. Forgive the errors.
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?... Mark S.
Re: AUTOLOG1 191 disk

 

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I have no idea, but PROFILE AUTOEXEC is never used.

Dave

On 16/07/2024 16:54, Doug Wegscheid via groups.io wrote:

On VM/CE 1.2, why does the AUTOLOG1 191 disk have a PROFILE AUTOEXEC and a PROFILE EXEC. It looks like the former is a abbreviated one?
AUTOLOG1 191 disk

 

On VM/CE 1.2, why does the AUTOLOG1 191 disk have a PROFILE AUTOEXEC and a PROFILE EXEC. It looks like the former is a abbreviated one?
Anyone have experience in extending VM/CE under Hercules worldwide?

 

Hello,

Several college and other friends are looking to bring back the glory (old men) days, when VM/370 R6 PLC 29 brought us together (and later VM/SP).? To this end, I'm looking for those who have experience in bringing people across the world together using VM/CE and Hercules.

The methods I can see are:
  • Extend printers to their computer and local printers.? Thought is the HercPRT program.
  • Connect systems using CTCA (would the HercCTCI program work?).
  • Isn't there a program to connect two systems for login purposes?? Instead of using WC3270 (or similar)?
  • Connect remote printers, punches, card reader, etc., via RSCS.? How would this work today, though?? When I was a SysAdmin, we used real devices, but now?
  • Is there an auto tape mount feature?
  • Method to access an AWS file on another system (e.g. in the UK) as a tape om the local system?
  • Other things that goes into working remotely as a team using VM?
Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

Kids today have no idea of all you can do with 50+ year old operating systems or software!

Hopefully - some day - we can get TCP/IP with apps (OSI seven layers) on our VM.? Also get it to 31-bit.
Re: How can you send a private message to a member of this group?

 

In this case, it's pretty trivial to see that the person's email address is actually zerohero0h@....

-Dave

On 7/16/24 09:45, Bertram Moshier wrote:
Hello,
I copied and pasted the person's email address, and it bounced.
Your message wasn't delivered to zerohero0h@...?because the address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail.
Matthew T. Kromer, could you contact me, please?
Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 11:29 Dave McGuire via groups.io <> <mcguire@... <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 7/15/24 12:24, Bertram Moshier wrote:
> Is it possible to determine the correct email address of a member
from a
> message sent by the member? I'm wanting to email someone, but my
> attempts have all bounced back. He is active, as he posted recently.
? ?If you use it as a mailing list, which is what it really is (with a
bad web front-end), you'll have their email address in your email.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-Dave
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Re: Is it possible to start VM/CE unattended?

 

Sounds iteresting, I'll give it a try.


On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 16:03 Ross Patterson via <ross.patterson=[email protected]> wrote:
Adrian Sutherland, of BREXX fame, has a tool he uses to automate Hercules when running under contributions of GitHub Actions.? He uses it to build BREXX under VM/CE CMS in a GitHub Linux instead, but on the surface, it looks like the technique would work in Windows too.


Ross

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:18 Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello,

I am looking for a method (Rexx script in Hercules?) to start VM/CE in an unattended mode. Unfirtunately, Windows will restart on its own not respecting that Hercules and VM/CE are runnung.

The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?

Thank you,

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

?
Re: How can you send a private message to a member of this group?

 

Hello,

I copied and pasted the person's email address, and it bounced.?

Your message wasn't delivered to?zerohero0h@...?because the address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail.

Matthew T. Kromer, could you contact me, please?

Bertram Moshier
WB8ERT

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 11:29 Dave McGuire via <mcguire=[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/15/24 12:24, Bertram Moshier wrote:
> Is it possible to determine the correct email address of a member from a
> message sent by the member? I'm wanting to email someone, but my
> attempts have all bounced back. He is active, as he posted recently.

? ?If you use it as a mailing list, which is what it really is (with a
bad web front-end), you'll have their email address in your email.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-Dave

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